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Ideas on God from a non-biased standpoint

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Talksick

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Sorry for re-posting this, but I wanted to give it a better title.

Seeing as I am new here and haven't had a chance to fully search the site, I hope that this thread doesn't get tossed into an existing one.
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First I will start with a brief background.
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I was raised in a Christian home, yet there was no attempt to indoctrinate me with Christian rhetoric. However, it is safe to say that this paved the way for my life long quest for truth.​

Although I have many different opinions on life and why we exist my mind is open to new ideas, and I don't think anyone should hold any beliefs too strongly. My current understanding, which is a melting pot of cultural beliefs, is based upon patterns witnessed throughout history, a metaphorical view of religious lore(rather than literalistic), and the subtle macro/microcosmic synchronicity of nature.​

I, like many people, have asked questions such as:​
If God is omniscient and omnipotent then why allow us to fall to temptation?​
If God created everything then didn‘t God also create evil?​
Who is God? Why does God exist?
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So without further adieu I would like share the answers I have come up with to some of these questions. Btw, I will be using the dreaded term GOD a lot. This is strictly for lack of a better word. The atheists are going to love this. =D
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God is. We can speculate on what God is, or what characteristics God may endue, but it only further adds to misunderstanding. It is my belief that all religious texts are more allegory than historical documentation, and I will lend a few examples from them to supplement my ideas.​

I am sure that most of you are familiar with early Christian and Jewish creation myth, so I will try to not lose you in building too much background information. This is my summary of early belief which I will follow-up with an explanation of what I believe it means.​

Before creating humans and Earth God created the heavens and the angels. The angels’ sole purpose was to praise and worship God in all of his greatness. Then God created Earth and human beings in his image. He understood the great potential and magnificence of his creation and loved the humans very much. It is said that he walked by their side and spoke with them directly, and that he grew to love them. God also gave humans the gift of freewill by creating temptation and telling them to stay away from it. The angel Lucifer saw how much God loved the humans, and he saw that God had given them freewill and this angered him. The angels never had any choice but to praise and worship God. They were servants to God, but not his friends. Lucifer decided that he would trick the humans into betraying God so as to spite him. According to myth Lucifer was successful in this endeavor, and this broke the bond between humans and God, and opened the door for infinite atrocities.​

What it all means: Put yourself in the shoes of one of the angels. How would you feel if you found out that everything you had ever done was not a choice but a predetermined outcome? How would you feel if you found out you had no freewill? You would most likely be pissed off, want to rebel, and probably try to drive a wedge between your creator and those who had freewill. Alas, if you had no freewill and could not act on your own accord then would you really be rebelling?​
Which leads to the other argument: If God created everything then didn‘t God also create evil? I believe that the answer to this question is yes. Now, you may be saying: ‘If God created evil and allows it to occur then wouldn’t that make God malevolent?’​
My answer is no, and it can be explained in parable. In my opinion, “The Parable of the Prodigal Son” in Luke 15:11-32 holds the key to finding an answer to this question. One son runs wild wasting his share of his father’s fortune on prostitutes and such. While the other son stays home and is a faithful servant to his father. When his son has finally squandered away all of his fortune and is left envying the swine that he shares a stall with, he decides to plead for forgiveness. The son expects to have to be a servant of his father’s for the rest of his life, but instead his father welcomes him home with joy and celebration. The story ends with the father saying his son was once lost but now is found.​
When I look at this story I see the father as God, and the sons represent our freewill as humans. The father could have told his son no when he asked for his share of the fortune, but instead obliged and allowed him freewill. He loved his son so much that he gave him what he knew could potentially harm him because he wanted him to have freewill. In the end the son learns a valuable lesson which he never could have know without experiencing it first hand. The son has a new found respect for his father, and the father is just happy to have his lost child back.​
That said, being the omniscient and omnipotent creator that God is, I would say that God is Omnibenevolent because he would have to have the foresight to understand that good cannot exist without evil, and therefore for benevolence to occur malevolence must occur first.​
You cannot deem something good or pleasurable without first experiencing hardship or pain. God understood the mistakes he made in his first creation(the angels), in that he didn’t give them freewill. They loved him unconditionally because they knew of nothing but his greatness. They had nothing to contrast the glory of God against because there was no evil. God realized his arrogance in creating things for self glorification, and in turn knew he must allow his children freewill. This included the angels. They were allowed to roam the Earth and temp his newest creation, giving them freewill as well.​

This is just an attempt to explain the unexplainable, and I DO NOT believe any of these stories as fact, rather the moral they portray as true. I am interested to hear what people have to say about this, especially the atheists. I myself don’t hold any religious title, but I do know for a fact that: God is.​

I will start another topic on a later date about who/what I think God is, and why I think God exists.​
 
Welcome to BL and P&S Talksick. First you can PM a mod and we can change the title for you.

Talksick said:
I will start another topic on a later date about who/what I think God is, and why I think God exists.
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If it is started within the next week or so I'd rather you add to this thread. Part of the reason similar topics in the same time frame are preferred to be in the same thread is each new thread knocks a thread off the front page. Another is that it helps keep things organized.
 
I was raised Christian, my father has been a priest for over 30 years, went to catholic school my whole life, religion was part of my everyday life. Now I'm 21 and here is my perspective on God and religion. First off, I would not consider myself religious anymore, but yet very spiritual. After some soul searching and philosophizing I believe religion is man's way of painting the picture when the picture really cannot be painted. Whats not of this reality is incomprehensible in this reality. However, I do believe in God, that is creator and all powerful. We live in a world only a God could think up. Think about it, its human nature to ponder the belief in a God, its our free will to believe in what we want. What im trying to say is, if there was no god i believe we would know. We live in a life of much unknown, it gives life meaning, if we knew it all what would be the purpose of living life? Believe what you want, but remember science is only mans attempt to comprehend, take a moment and look how beautiful life is and tell me there's no God?
 
Everything exists because it has an opposite. If it did not have an opposite, then it would not be worthy of a thought because it is always constant and will forever remain constant.

Prebegining there was never a thought. Everything was constant and nothing was worth counsiously thinking about because it has never changed and therefore will never change.

Now lets take all the good thoughts youve ever had. Lets call that love.
Well before existence love was all known. It was the only thing ever known and nothing else. Everything was love.
Now imagine the universe of love as a 2d representation laid out in front of you. Its just a blank sheet of nothing which at the time is everything. But the fact that they are both at the same time makes it meaningless and not worth of counsious.

Now imagine a sphere of not love passing through this 2d universe of love.
This is the very first thing besides love that has ever been in this universe. So now you have love, and not love.
Holy fuck! What you ever knew for all eternity is now half wrong. Now you have confusion which makes a 3rd, and you now strive for understanding which makes a 4th.

Since you still remember what it was like to have knowing nothing but love, you miss it (5th)
You miss it so badly that youre desire (6th) for it is so much that youll to anything possible to gain it back.
You then create everything in the universe in an effort to try and return to that state that will never be possible again.

It wont be possible because in order for it to be you would have to some how forget that that sphere randomly passed by and all the effort youve placed in trying to return to that state of mind
So you have a limit on how close you can get to infinite love. As x(t) goes to infinity you will never reach y(t) where y(t)=love. and t=time.

this is basically a "god damnit this sucks" kind of theory.
The big bang would be the initial confusion or shock that there exists the exact opposite of what you thought was the only thing to be.
and everything in the universe is now all created on purpose in order to obtaine infinite love
next is singularity. where they will be colonizing space trying pull everything back together.

but since functions must have continuity, you cannot just return at a point in counsiousness from the past.
so in order for that to happen, you would have to leave the 2d map in front of you, then placed back into it before the sphere entered.
or, since when you die, you loose counsiousness and therefore returning to your state of complete love.

Basically i think the first emotions ever were love, hate, confusion, understanding, loss, gain and concepts just eveolved from there into where we are now.
I think we all know what we are missing (complete love) we just cant describe it because of all the distractions that single force created. Everyone feels liek theres a void or gap they have to fill. You have the need to describe it because you want you/everyone to have it so badly which could mean that everyone is a single counsiousness. This is why we keep progressing instead of just giving up on it because we know it used to be infinitely awesome. Which is why we will accept singularity when the time comes because this is greater than mankind.

religions have tried to describe this and they were true except that their followers got too caught up on the actual symbols rather than what those symbols ment inside each of us.

Jesus would be an example of another sphere coming from the 4th dimension to let everyone know whats up.

now im just rambleing but each step towards trying to obtain awesomeness just creates an equal negative force. cause now ur mind knows everything comes in truth tables. Where either your thought can be T or it can be F. then if its true then you have the next set of possibilities... so then you have TT TF FT FF which is 4 possible outcomes... then you have TTT TTF TFT TFF FTT FTF FFT FFF which is 2^3 meaning theres 3 factors... recent studies have shown that cells divide 50 times before they die. so that could mean that in order to find truth, you have a 2^50th chance of being correct lol binary can be pretty useful.


but anyways since love was all knowing and therefore didnt deserve a counsious thought, then wehn we die we will return to that blissful state in which we came from. everyone goes to heaven.
 
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And what if no thinking was involved?
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agree with the proposal

but i think this is the kind of concept that several people have trouble understanding
because you cannot really think it through but you actually have to feel it
 
Quote from the Gospel of Thomas

These are the hidden words that the living Jesus spoke.
And Didymos Judas Thomas wrote them down.

(01) And he said: "Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death."

(02) Jesus said
(1) "The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds.
(2) And when he finds, he will be dismayed.
(3) And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished.
(4) And he will be king over the All."

(03) Jesus said
(1) "If those who lead you say to you: ‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’
then the birds of the sky will precede you.
(2) If they say to you: ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
(3)Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and outside of you."

The highlighted verse is the subject of much debate amongst Theologians, as it calls into question the need for ecclesiastical or vicarious knowledge of God (the Kingdom) calling into question the legitimacy of the Church and its role in early Christianity.

The Kingdom (which is heaven) is in you, and if you understand the esoteric message of the Gospel, then you 'shall not taste death', but will bring forth the heaven within you.
 
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nice find. ^^^

i feel like everyone knows the answer themselves.
they just want justification from others.
but thats exactly what they are.. others.

they have a differnt view of happiness
because they have different experiences
because they arent you.

u give meaning to life you just have to control it and not let others control it for you
it seems like one big contridiction.
 
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"In the beginning was the word, and the word was God" - that is quite non-biased for any speaker of language.
 
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