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Still getting a constant supply of average gear my end in Manchester. Nothing special, but been smoking it everyday for past week, so not lookin' forward to stopping tomorrow :\. Will have a lil mini rattle, but wont be nothing to bad. Got about 10ml meth and 8mg sub, and a fair few vallies so will be easy peasy !
 
Still getting a constant supply of average gear my end in Manchester. Nothing special, but been smoking it everyday for past week, so not lookin' forward to stopping tomorrow :\. Will have a lil mini rattle, but wont be nothing to bad. Got about 10ml meth and 8mg sub, and a fair few vallies so will be easy peasy !

them little mini rattles arent too bad when you done a few, I always think it goes in stages and once you get used to these stages it becomes easier to deal with them....nevertheless a rattle aint the nicest of things at any time, but now having some 12 years experience of em, Im convinced that it is more of psychological thing than physical....a lot of you probably wont agree with me, but thats my opinion and experience, a lot of it is in the mind!!
 
them little mini rattles arent too bad when you done a few, I always think it goes in stages and once you get used to these stages it becomes easier to deal with them....nevertheless a rattle aint the nicest of things at any time, but now having some 12 years experience of em, Im convinced that it is more of psychological thing than physical....a lot of you probably wont agree with me, but thats my opinion and experience, a lot of it is in the mind!!

I just wished that i had gone thru with it on that 1st rattle
the moment i gave in was the start of my lifelong habit
 
Still getting a constant supply of average gear my end in Manchester. Nothing special, but been smoking it everyday for past week, so not lookin' forward to stopping tomorrow :\. Will have a lil mini rattle, but wont be nothing to bad. Got about 10ml meth and 8mg sub, and a fair few vallies so will be easy peasy !
told my mate that someone told me that decent available in hulme moss side area he tried 9 different dealers who have been serving for a few years he phoned me going mad saying he has wasted £120 on at the very best 2-10 so I said that's what ya get going off other peeps ratings
 
I would imagine that now,the price rising for anything resembling gear and the amount we all blow on fake gear,there would likely be more crime if anything
I bet about 60% of all junkys have not got a heroin habits after 5 months of shit can not believe people would buy bash still but then again if its only 2-10 street gear peeps would rather take there script if they get one as ya getting no buzz off the majority
Of street gear unless ya pay silly prices for good there is nice gear available but the average junky can not afford to buy i t
 
Head Candy Short answer is vested interest- its all big money. From reasons magazine and an interview with former chief of police McNamara:

Michael Lynch 2002 issue:

Battlefield Conversations

http://reason.com/archives/2002/01/01/battlefield-conversions

Like any war, the War on Drugs has its good soldiers -- a varied bunch, coming from all walks of life and filling all ranks. They include eager volunteers, from the drug czars at the top of the command chain to the beat cops, Drug Enforcement Administration and Customs Service agents out in the field. The war also has reluctant conscripts, such as state and federal judges compelled by mandatory minimum sentencing rules to enforce laws that many see as counterproductive and unjust.

Increasingly, the War on Drugs also has what its partisans might consider traitors -- former soldiers who have become convinced that U.S. drug policy is ineffective, immoral, or some combination of the two. Reason National Correspondent Michael W. Lynch recently spoke with three such figures who were once integral cogs in the drug war machine.

The Cop: Joseph D. McNamara

Joseph D. McNamara started out as a grunt in America's battle against drugs. "It was sort of like the body count in Vietnam," says McNamara about the petty arrests for heroin he made as a Harlem beat cop in the late 1950s. "The department loved to count these drug arrests and release statistics to show we were winning the war." In 1969, he spent a year as a criminal justice fellow at Harvard Law School. Eventually, he ended up earning a Ph.D. in public administration. "I wrote my dissertation in 1973 and predicted the escalation and failure of the drug war -- and the vast corruption and violence that would follow," recalls McNamara. "I never published it because I wanted a police career and not an academic career."

That's exactly what he got. He served as chief of police in Kansas City from 1973 to 1976. In the bicentennial year, he moved on to become the top cop in San Jose, California, a post he held until he retired in 1991. He currently hangs his hat at the Hoover Institution at Stanford, where he conducts seminars on the War on Drugs for law enforcement officials. The author of six books, including the drug war detective novel Code 211 Blue, the 66-year-old McNamara is working on a new book titled Gangster Cops: The Hidden Cost of America's War on Drugs.

Reason: How did you get involved in what is now called the War on Drugs?

Joseph D. McNamara: I got involved as a foot patrolman in Harlem way back in 1957. A few years later the heroin epidemic swept through Harlem and was devastating. And so the police did what the police do: We arrested everyone in sight. It soon became apparent that it wasn't reducing drug use or drug selling. My eyes were really opened one day when my partner and I arrested a heroin addict. The addicts gathered on the top floor landings of buildings, which we referred to as shooting galleries. We used to routinely bust them for possession of hypodermic needles and also for the big crime of having cookers with residues of heroin.

One day an addict asked if we could give him a break. He said, "I'll give you a pusher if you let me go." We followed him down Lenox Avenue in uniform and in a marked police car. As he talked to one man after another, it struck me how little impact the police had on the drug problem. If we hadn't known what he was talking about, we would've thought they were just two men talking sports or the weather or whatever.

Reason: Is this why police rely on informants and sting operations?

McNamara: Since the police can't do their job the way they do it with other crimes, they resort to informants and to illegal searches. This is a major problem underlying police integrity throughout the United States.

Last year, state and local police made somewhere around 1.4 million drug arrests. Almost none of those arrests had search warrants. Sometimes the guy says, "Sure, officer, go ahead and open the trunk of my car. I have a kilo of cocaine back there but I don't want you to think I don't cooperate with the local police." Or the suspect conveniently leaves the dope on the desk or throws it at the feet of the police officer as he approaches. But often nothing like that happens.

The fact is that sometimes the officer reaches inside the suspect's pocket for the drugs and testifies that the suspect "dropped" it as the officer approached. It's so common that it's called "dropsy testimony." The lying is called "white perjury." Otherwise honest cops think it's legitimate to commit these illegal searches and to perjure themselves because they are fighting an evil. In New York it's called "testilying," and in Los Angeles it's called joining the "Liar's Club." It has lead some people to say L.A.P.D. stands for Los Angeles Perjury Department. It has undermined one of the most precious cornerstones of the whole criminal justice process: the integrity of the police officer on the witness stand.

Reason: What role do institutional interests play in the drug war?

McNamara: One year when I was police chief in San Jose, the city manager sent me a budget that contained no money for equipment. I politely told him that when you have a police department, you have to buy police cars, uniforms, and other equipment for the cops. He laughed, waved his hand, and said, "Last year you guys seized $4 million dollars. I expect you to do even better this year. In fact, you will be evaluated on that and you can use that money for equipment." So law enforcement becomes a revenue-raising agency and that takes, in too many cases, precedence over law enforcement.
Reason: From the perspective of the working police officer, how has the War on Drugs changed over the years?

McNamara: It has become the priority of police agencies. It's bizarre. We make 700,000 arrests for marijuana a year. The public is not terrified of marijuana. People are terrified of molesters, school shootings, and people stalking women and children. The police are not putting the resources into those crimes where they could be effective if they gave them top priority.

Reason: There's some controversy over whether the arrests for possession are really for possession or if they are for dealing but prosecuted as possession. Do you have any thoughts on that?

McNamara: It's both true and false. Most low-level dealers are users, like the guy that we finally did bust after we let the addict go. He was an addict, too, and he was no better or worse than the guy we let go. But what we had actually done, which is standard operating procedure in the drug war, is let someone go who had committed a crime because they enticed someone else to commit a more serious crime.

Reason: What role does race play in the War on Drugs?

McNamara: The drug war is an assault on the African-American community. Any police chief that used the tactics used in the inner city against minorities in a white middle-class neighborhood would be fired within a couple of weeks.
It was a very radical change in public policy for the federal government to criminalize drugs in the early 20th century. Congress was reluctant to pass it because you had a very small federal government in 1914 and to interfere with the state police powers was a big deal. They couldn't get this legislation passed until they played the race card: They introduced letters and testimony that blacks were murdering white families; the police in the South were having trouble with "Negroes" because of these drugs; there were white women in "yellow" opium dens. The same prejudice popped up in 1937 when they outlawed marijuana.

If anyone tried to pass laws on those same bases today, they'd be condemned. Yet the laws that we have are the last vestiges of Jim Crow. You don't have to identify yourself as a bigot anymore -- you can be for the drug war and you really are getting "them."

Reason: Do you think there's a greater risk in just questioning the operation of the War on Drugs than there is to testilying and going along with it in unethical ways?

McNamara: For police chiefs, there is some wiggle room. They can support sterile needle exchanges, medical marijuana treatment, and education diversion instead of incarceration. But it's asking an awful lot for them to come out and say, "Look, this drug prohibition is a stupid thing we shouldn't have started in 1914 and it gets worse and worse every year." That's a big step for a police chief. That's asking them to commit career suicide.

Reason: Were you frustrated as a police chief with the constraints of the law?

McNamara: Enormously. Police chiefs are sitting on kegs of dynamite. Many of them are really decent, progressive guys. They are worried about the disproportionate racial impact and the corruption. But there's nothing they can do. There's just too much money in it. You don't have the ability, regardless of the propaganda, to eliminate the code of silence. You don't have unlimited power. You have lots of constraints on how the police can discipline themselves, even for chiefs who are legitimately interested in doing so.

The Fed: Michael Levine

Michael Levine was born to fight the War on Drugs. He grew up tough in the Bronx during the 1950s and was an accomplished brawler by junior high school. Though Jewish, he identified with the Puerto Ricans moving into the neighborhood and he picked up fluent Spanish, a skill that came in handy later when he started doing undercover work in Latin America. He was personally motivated to fight drugs: His kid brother was addicted to heroin. "I saw it killing my brother," says Levine, 60. In 1965, Levine started a 25-year career in federal law enforcement that included stints in the Customs Service, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. He traveled the world and arrested some 3,000 people.

Yet it wasn't long before Levine noticed a gap between the rhetoric and reality of the drug war. Says Levine, "Among DEA agents, the notion of really winning the drug war is so far out of the question that anyone who even mentions it is considered some kind of nut." ...

can read the rest of the article about how the drug war is a failure, a joke, and is being perpetuated by private interests. drug war= $ for us, pounds sterling for you, euros for other industries that cater to the war on drugs and its myriad of other industries, jails, law enforecement, urinalysis companies, rehabs, ect...
 
Jspun very interesting how about this for a thought turkey want to join the european union so what say if the uk told them you will not get our vote if you do not stop heroin being transported to the uk or at least interrupt it with our agency's also iam sure they could smash the cartels as membership for turkey is worth billions of pounds
 
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Jspun very interesting how about this for a thought turkey want to join the european union so what say if the uk told them you will not get our vote if you do not stop heroin being transported to the uk or at least interrupt it with our agency's also iam sure they could smash the cartels as membership for turkey is worth billions of pounds
... and billions in political capital for UK politicians. I agree with your scenario wholehatedly.

However, a market with this mark up will always find away. Given the current political unrest that has just enveloped the middle east and North Africa mainly: I could see a new route developing: On freighters from Iran, through the persian gulf- red sea. Unloaded along the red sea shore or at suez, or a major egyptian port. then Egypt- Libya-Algeria- Morroco- Ceuta or the other enclave medilla or mellia that is Eu soil in North Africa. Across the fence by ferry to mainland Spain and or then on to Rotterdam, or Straight to the UK- off loaded from "mother ships" to the long stretches of coast in the British Isles. That would make Turkey redundant but the opportunity to profiteer from preceived international cooperation is still there.

North Africa is the wildcard.
 
Thanks jspun for your informed reply I find your posts informative if not a little long when reading on my phone fine when on laptop had a text off my mate said he found some ok gear he only ever smoked it but was told its gear for injecting he first tried a bit on the foil no taste so like a dick he injects it gets a bit of a rush then feels that he has had good gear I tell him there is no gear for digging and one for smoking gear is fucking gear what he felt was the codeine and other shit I have been taking heroin for 30 years and only a couple of times have I seen 2 different types of gear ie smoking and injectable but even then it had that strong h smell so peeps if ya told its digging gear tell them to jog on and save ya money coz heroin is heroin nothing else simple so peep the majority of heroin you are buying is not even heroin as street dealers can not make money selling good due to costs so wake up to the rip and save ya money unless ya a placebo junky lol
 
Can get grams in Bath for £30 from another diff source, I say gram but it's prob around 0.8 and comes as a light powder. If I dont boot and I smoke I dont run lines just burn the beetle down then snap bits off to frazzle in one go and after the 1st burn you get a rush and by the time you have done a few you can feel a nod start to creep in. Tastes like proper gear and smells of vinegar when you open to wrap, it's very hard to judge to quality though as A. I have no opiate tolerance these days as such although I am on 400micrograms of Subutex and B. I always use crack before hand so I never get the full effect of the gear it just stops the rattle from the rock and when you can get a gram of decent white for £30 it's hard to turn down so I never use the Bs on there own.
 
@Head c and dark in the p - gear is gear is gear..... only white#4 is shootable only and not smokeable and the chances of finding that is a gazillion to one.

The vinegre smell sounds like mexican tar (it comes in many forms from powder to sticky toffe consistancy) the opium is part aceytalated with acetic acid hence the smell if you burn it off you should get clouds of white vinegre smelling smoke - then it runs good , i have had tar that was better than afghani before - strong stuff as its full of 6MAM and 3 MAM - like ive said before its not really heroin in the true chemical description.
 
Haven't been getting any decent stuff for a while now but I'm an on/off user I suppose. Still, I've had a decent rattle and many sleepless nights.

Even my bupe/meth guy has gone ASBO on me so that's a no go.

The weather doesn't make it any easier. These walks down to Buttefly Walk to get a can of what have you from Morrissons is going to kill me one day.
 
Things gone down hill here (South Devon) still cheap prices for 5-10% gear, the better stuff is available at times but not reliable..

There has been gear only for pinning or smoking floating round, the gear actually often contains H but its the bash / cut used that decides on ROA (route of administration), as some cuts wont run on the foil and others congel when cooked up for shooting. There have been dealers with clients who smoke and others who shoot so have to buy both types to keep everyone happy.
 
Nice post, jspun..but it won't interest everyone. The prices'n'bash brigade have no time for history, or much else for that matter. Shame when you think about it. If they did, and added their voice to the protests about the absurdity of prohibition and the foisting of US-style crtiminalisation onto UK addicts, the life they might save could be their own.

Way it goes.
 
Well, I was going to go out and score, but I blew it off. Probably wouldn't have been up to much anyway, considering what somebody said earlier about where I am fairly sure it would have been coming from. Will just have to make do with a couple of vallies instead.
 
Heroin, strength, price, availabilty just honest quick info

Right not sure this is going to go any were but worth a try we need a thread for Heroin users with just basic important info for us all to jusdge and get an over all decent(ish) picture.
Answers to be similar to below

Strength = ?/10
Waiting time = mins to hours
Availability = Regular/bits/travelling/Easy to score e.t.c
Price = £? on the point and up to weights
Holding Time for smoking = from smoke to sniffle
Holding Time for Digging = from dig to sniffle
rip offs = Blatant/not meant believed they sold good shit/

Last one, to me real important "HONESTY" from your long time supplier.

If any mods/Admin think this is a shit thread, and pointless. Then my feelings will not be hurt if you burn my thread, i'll just feel rejected and withdraw within myself, and may even cry a bit about how no one cares or loves me.8o All jokes aside if the thread dies it dies.
 
Looks like things are picking up in Burnley.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-12588316

Three men have been found dead at addresses in Lancashire within about an hour.

The men, aged 52, 36, and 32, were found in properties in Burnley, Colne and Nelson between 2315 GMT on Friday and 0020 GMT on Saturday.

Police have said they are treating the deaths as unexplained but are concerned they may be linked to a batch of heroin in the area.

Sorry...
 
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