U.S. anti-drug agents shot in roadside attack in Mexico; one dead

^^ You don't become a US federal agent without knowing about the possibility of doing operations like this. Did he 'deserve' to die? No. But he signed up for it, in a sense.
 
wow some people are a bit cynical here... i do not believe in our drug laws at all but that does not mean i think it is okay for some cartel thug to do bodily harm on a fellow countryman... have some pride... if this cartel war spills onto american streets its going to be junkies like us who shot and killed.. stop and think for a minute
 
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if this cartel war spills onto american streets its going to be junkies like us who shot and killed.. stop and think for a minute
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it's not going to spill into the US. These cartel people are mexicans who are not allowed to come in the USA first of all, and second of all it would be the most retarded thing in history to come into the US and kill off all their CUSTOMERS.

Sorry but the part i quoted made no sense man.
 
i dont even know what to say to that... if u really believe they are not gonna spill into our country you are being very silly... ask people from arizona or new mexico.. even colorado... that shit is already here.. people in Pheonix get kidnapped daily... it has become the kidnapping capitol of USA.... i wouldnt just make a comment for the sake of it.. i have been researching the cartel wars... and more and more evidence shows it has already made its way into america... they might not kill all the customers but ineviatably there will be alot more american victims...
 
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i dont even know what to say to that... if u really believe they are not gonna spill into our country you are being very silly... ask people from arizona or new mexico.. even colorado... that shit is already here.. people in Pheonix get kidnapped daily... it has become the kidnapping capitol of USA.... i wouldnt just make a comment for the sake of it.. i have been researching the cartel wars... and more and more evidence shows it has already made its way into america... they might not kill all the customers but ineviatably there will be alot more american victims...
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I lived in Brownsville TX for years. Just moved away only a couple months ago. Just because you've read a bunch of alarmist propaganda about securing the border does NOT mean you know what's going on with cartels. BtW you are mixing up Phoenix with TUSCON. And the problems they are having there aren't even drug-related. It's because a shitload of illegals can just walk over the Arizona border and go burglarize homes and try kidnapping people for ransome.

The problems in Mexico are caused by corrupt governments on both sides of the border who are hell bent on keeping Mexico exactly the way it is - poor as dirt where people have no other ways to make money besides work in a factory for 9 cents an hour or engage in organized criminal activity.

Mexico is known for having a ridiculous income gap. There's 10x as many billionaires per capita, at the same time there's tons more poor/homeless people who can't even afford a fuckin pair of shoes from payless. And our government does absolutely nothing to target the root of the problem, yet they don't hesitate to send hundreds of thousands of troops into iraq over some "weapons" that weren't even there.

This is a bullshit war on drugs, just like evey other war is bullshit. It's sole purpose is to make profit for a small group of people behind it. It's a big scam that wastes hundreds of billions in taxpayer money every year. That's what all wars are for.. $$$/greed/power
 
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1. i am not mixed up with pheonix and tuscon.. PHEONIX has the highest rate of kidnappings per year then any other city in america....
2. just cause you lived in brownsvile doesnt make you an expert either.. i lived in austin for 10 years.. which is closer to the actual cartel wars then brownsville...
3. i am not reading CNN or FOX NEWS i am reading blogs from people who live in juarez i've talked to people who live in tijuana... but i will agree to disagree because i respect your opinion as you should mine... time will tell.. it will take major change on both sides of the border if there will be any sort of change...
4.its funny your claiming corrupt governments are the reason for the drug cartels... might it be the insatiable appetite for drugs the US of A has that is causing this? definetely isnt helping
5. it is said that the majority of kidnappings in PHEONIX not TUSCON are in retaliation to drug debts and yes of course ransom... but there is a rising number of kidnappings becoming unsolved missing presumed murder cases as well
 
1. Source, please.
2. I moved to Austin..
3. How can you base your knowledge from blogs?
4. You can't be so naive to believe Felipe Calderon's statement. Felipe Calderon is in bed with the cartels, what he said is nothing more than finger-pointing to shift focus away from the real problem, Ex-President Fox mentioned was THE DRUG WAR ITSELF. Fox isn't president anymore because honesty gets you nowhere in politics, especially mexico.. eek.

People been getting high on shit since civilization started. To blame the US for taking too much drugs is bullshit. What do you expect from a prosperous country where people have jobs that make money and shitty depressing lives to go home to? Why are you blaming drug users on a site full of them?

Are you going to blatantly ignore how the US has been moving drugs for years? Don't be so naive...

Or how about how big corporations with factories in East Asian countries like Thailand whom the workers are paid in meth pills all day in sweatshops, so they can work ridiculously long hours, never need to eat or sleep, and only want drugs because they become addicted? No.. You won't hear about how much meth is given to people in sweatshops.. Thats because big corps are doing it.

5. Sources, please.

You got to realize. Living in Brownsville, I met people in power who were connected to Zetas and Gulf Cartel. They are ridiculously close to the Bush Family also, which isn't surprising since Bush was director of the CIA most of the years it was active moving drugs. The entire border region is filled with crooked politicians and cops who are all in bed with cartels, and have major connections all the way to Washington, DC



Give me one reason, just one reason, that prohibition is effective or is just in "the land of the free". Why should people be not allowed to do what they wish with their bodies? Doesn't this defeat the purpose of freedom?
 
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there are many sources for pheonix as the 2nd highest in the WORLD here is a prominant news broadcast
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1
Also i didnt base my knowledge from the blogs, i based on the people who started the blogs and live this shit on a daily basis... i never said i believed anything Calderon said.. if anything calderon has sparked the rise in violence not to mention us ban on assault rifles ending.. Drugs will be made processed sold and ingested no matter what.. and we are arguing the same point just you seem so caught up in this thought its not gonna come over the border which is what my original point is... and why are you bringing up thailand workers? i dont think they have anything to do with the cartel drug war spilling over the borders of the united states.. if you want sources go google yourself... i have done the research so i will share a few sources but im not gonna sit here and have you discredit my knowledge on the subject because you are native to the borderlands... and its funny cause this next article is about TUSCON WHICH IS DEFINTELY HAVING DRUG RELATED EVENTS JUST READ IT god where do u get your knowledge from?? everything i have read is completely opposite of your claims http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/23/us/23border.html

so how bout this you give me your sources of how this war is not spilling into american cities..because it is.. sorry i am sleep deprived and my emotions are in this because i have lost a friend who was murdered in tijuana by suspected cartel members
 
zetas are fighting the sinola cartel btw gulf cartel is in tijuana so why u knew them in brownsville i dunno.... but i am not from there so i dont claim to know anything... i do find it hard to believe though just considering these cartels have alot to lose for you to be claiming that kinda stuff on a public forum.... and the war on drugs has never really been focused on mexico, mostly just colombia where it actually has seen some progress i would absolutely love to see your "source"

and i believe in complete prohibition but i dont see that stopping a war that is deadlier then iraq and afghanistan combined... but i think it would be a huge improvement....
 
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there are many sources for pheonix as the 2nd highest in the WORLD here is a prominant news broadcast
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1
Also i didnt base my knowledge from the blogs, i based on the people who started the blogs and live this shit on a daily basis... i never said i believed anything Calderon said.. if anything calderon has sparked the rise in violence not to mention us ban on assault rifles ending.. Drugs will be made processed sold and ingested no matter what.. and we are arguing the same point just you seem so caught up in this thought its not gonna come over the border which is what my original point is... and why are you bringing up thailand workers? i dont think they have anything to do with the cartel drug war spilling over the borders of the united states.. if you want sources go google yourself... i have done the research so i will share a few sources but im not gonna sit here and have you discredit my knowledge on the subject because you are native to the borderlands... and its funny cause this next article is about TUSCON WHICH IS DEFINTELY HAVING DRUG RELATED EVENTS JUST READ IT god where do u get your knowledge from?? everything i have read is completely opposite of your claims http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/23/us/23border.html

so how bout this you give me your sources of how this war is not spilling into american cities..because it is.. sorry i am sleep deprived and my emotions are in this because i have lost a friend who was murdered in tijuana by suspected cartel members
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Cartel shit has been spilling over since the 80's and 90's. Street gangs... Texas and Arizona mostly have cartel shit, but look at LA and chicago, it's all street gangs and they are killing people everywhere. What's the difference?

There's a bunch of propaganda that is trying to scare people into wanting a bigger federal government, more agents, more cops, etc. etc. What they don't want to touch is legalization, and it's because criminals are in charge of running things. There's just too much money in the war on drugs, even though it wastes GDP and taxpayer money and public resources, and causes thousands of people to die.

Thanks for link on Phoenix, I thought it was past the checkpoints..

No doubt there are killings on this side, but it's being blow way out of proportion in order to further the pro-drug war agenda. What about street gangs? How many shootings happen in southside chicago or LA everyday?

I read about your friend man, and I'm sorry about his murder, but I'm telling you the government is the one to blame. They are directly enabling all of this shit.
 
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zetas are fighting the sinola cartel btw gulf cartel is in tijuana so why u knew them in brownsville i dunno.... but i am not from there so i dont claim to know anything... i do find it hard to believe though just considering these cartels have alot to lose for you to be claiming that kinda stuff on a public forum.... and the war on drugs has never really been focused on mexico, mostly just colombia where it actually has seen some progress i would absolutely love to see your "source"

and i believe in complete prohibition but i dont see that stopping a war that is deadlier then iraq and afghanistan combined... but i think it would be a huge improvement....
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Oh man, once again you are wrong! The Gulf cartel is named after the Gulf Cartel of the gulf of mexico.. Are you being a troll? Seriously dude. Quit trying to make me look like a douche

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Cartel

FROM MATOMORROS, WHICH IS ACCROSS THE RIO GRANDE FROM BROWNSVILLE

No, I'm the moron... They're from Tijuana! 8) How can I know them? I don't know what I'm talking about... No, I don't know what I'm fucking talking about 8)

And the Zetas are fighting ALL of the other Mexican cartels. They used to help the Gulf Cartel, but went off on their own.

Oh, and interestingly, the Zetas founding members were trained in the US of A, by our military. You know, to be narcotics agent commandos... Ya they put those skills to use alright ;)

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/zetas-54090-mexican-drug.html
 
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i do not reckon i ever said the gulf cartel was exclusive to tijuana... all i said was zetas are currently embroiled in a turf war with the Sinaloa Cartel not the Gulf Cartel... everything iv'e read states the gulf cartel has major operations in tijuana.... so what if your granddaddy was in a drug cartel no wonder u defend them so.... all i had to do was wiki that to get that information... like cmon give me a break.. there is a reason schools dont count wiki as a source so i ask again give me a source a real source that states this war is not crossing the border since you like to change the subject so much.....and you shouldnt be throwing the fact your related to known drug cartel leaders on a public forum... as a mod you should know better... which makes it truly hard to believe..... i never said u didnt know what you were talking about... but since your throwin wikilinks around like its fuckin the encyclapedia britanica i am a bit skeptical

hah im the troll ROFL im done with this... you have not answered one of my arguments accept debunk one little typo i made... honestly i dont care at this point.... i know this shit is spillin over the border i have seen it with my own eyes... if you wanna be ignorant torwards that fact go ahead.... when u lose someone to this cartel drug war you might have a change of heart...
 
hah so am i dude.. i was gonna say that is prolly why i am so emotionally attacthed to an argument both of us have different view points on but all in all the our answer to the problem is the same... so yea....
LEGALIZE IT!
 
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i do not reckon i ever said the gulf cartel was exclusive to tijuana... all i said was zetas are currently embroiled in a turf war with the Sinaloa Cartel not the Gulf Cartel... everything iv'e read states the gulf cartel has major operations in tijuana.... so what if your granddaddy was in a drug cartel no wonder u defend them so.... all i had to do was wiki that to get that information... like cmon give me a break.. there is a reason schools dont count wiki as a source so i ask again give me a source a real source that states this war is not crossing the border since you like to change the subject so much.....and you shouldnt be throwing the fact your related to known drug cartel leaders on a public forum... as a mod you should know better... which makes it truly hard to believe..... i never said u didnt know what you were talking about... but since your throwin wikilinks around like its fuckin the encyclapedia britanica i am a bit skeptical

hah im the troll ROFL im done with this... you have not answered one of my arguments accept debunk one little typo i made... honestly i dont care at this point.... i know this shit is spillin over the border i have seen it with my own eyes... if you wanna be ignorant torwards that fact go ahead.... when u lose someone to this cartel drug war you might have a change of heart...
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LOL you're discrediting wikipedia... lmfao. It's an open source encyclopedia. It's also the first, and usually the most credible thing that comes up on a google search. I didn't mean to post personal shit which is why I edited ;)

Either way, it's distant relatives :p Nobody I spoken to in years. My grandfather left my grandmother when she was pregnant with my dad, and I only met the dude once in my life. We don't get anything from his estate when he dies, and probably won't even be notified. (last I heard he had a stroke and hasn't been same since, years ago.) I don't give a fuck about them.

I'm not defending the cartels. And I already said I'm sorry about your fucking man. But the government is responsible, not me. They enable the cartels to do business. The politicians are all fucking crooks who take bribes. They are the ones responsible. I'm on here trying to help people see what the mainstream media hides. You wanna ignore facts, go for it. I'm just trying to expose these bastards. They are connected to the Washington, and it's just a big fucking mess of politics and people dying. It pisses me off.
 
i am not discrediting wikipedia...... where the fuck did i say that..... i just said you gotta have somethin better then just wikipedia... i dont ignore facts and i dont use the mainstream media either.. i use all sources INCLUDING Wikipedia.... but not just wikipedia that is why i brought up i know what wikipedia is.. omg forget i didnt blame anyone for my friend except the assholes who did it..... you need to get off this i hate the government and its the root of all evil tip for real... like i agree with some of what you say but your sounding more and more like a anarchist which is fine if that is your political motif..... but i disagree that the governments of mexico and usa enable the cartels to do what they do.. i think the cartels do what hey want because they are pretty much para military groups at this point and are stronger then the mexican government they have more money... that is what this all comes down to.. supply and demand and DOLLERBILLS... but this has gone so off topic all i was sayin is that this shit is crossing the border and it is really sad... something needs to be done but it seems like there will just be more inoccents killed alot more before anything real changes.... like our DRUG LAWS for and our gun laws as well... i ignore no facts.. your the one ignoring the fact that it is not just the government responsible for this.. many factors played a roll in creating the mexican drug wars. i dont even want to get into it anymore too tired
 
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i am not discrediting wikipedia...... where the fuck did i say that..... i just said you gotta have somethin better then just wikipedia... i dont ignore facts and i dont use the mainstream media either.. i use all sources INCLUDING Wikipedia.... but not just wikipedia that is why i brought up i know what wikipedia is.. omg forget i didnt blame anyone for my friend except the assholes who did it..... you need to get off this i hate the government and its the root of all evil tip for real... like i agree with some of what you say but your sounding more and more like a anarchist which is fine if that is your political motif..... but i disagree that the governments of mexico and usa enable the cartels to do what they do.. i think the cartels do what hey want because they are pretty much para military groups at this point and are stronger then the mexican government they have more money... that is what this all comes down to.. supply and demand and DOLLERBILLS... but this has gone so off topic all i was sayin is that this shit is crossing the border and it is really sad... something needs to be done but it seems like there will just be more inoccents killed alot more before anything real changes.... like our DRUG LAWS for and our gun laws as well... i ignore no facts.. your the one ignoring the fact that it is not just the government responsible for this.. many factors played a roll in creating the mexican drug wars. i dont even want to get into it anymore too tired
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Government is the root of it though man. Prohibition is a government act. The cartels are a result, not the cause.

The only people who killed your buddy if you look it that way are the gunmen and whoever was with him at the time...

Prohibition ---> Cartels ---> gunmen --> murder
 
we are 2 peas in a different pod .... we are both really sayin the same thing only we disagree that the government is the root of it... money is the cause and suppy and demand r the cause and the cartels are the result of that as with the government making money off it too... i dunno if that makes sense but im too tired to reiturate
 
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we are 2 peas in a different pod .... we are both really sayin the same thing only we disagree that the government is the root of it... money is the cause and suppy and demand r the cause and the cartels are the result of that as with the government making money off it too... i dunno if that makes sense but im too tired to reiturate
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I see your point, but who would buy cartel cut shit off the street when you could go to a pharmacy and pick up quality uncut drugs in set doses if it was legal? It would drive up supplies, which would drive down prices, and then the cartels wouldn't make any money, and wouldn't produce drugs anymore..
 
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