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LSD and mushrooms worth the flashbacks/HPPD?

KeepingThingsReal

KeepingThingsReal

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Hey guys. I've always been wondering about dropping acid and doing shrooms. I'm going to wait a few years or so, but I'm not sure if it's worth it. Not money-wise, but for the HPPD and flashbacks. I realize that less than 5% of people get HPPD and less than 1% of people get flashbacks, but they can be very serious and never go away. Usually people who get HPPD have it for a few days or so then go to normal, and people with flashbacks usually get just one or two. Also, these are usually caused by bad trips. But my mom is a doctor and she tells me crazy stories about people with permanent LSD flashbacks who she treats. Now, I've heard mushrooms usually have less of a chance/more mild flashbacks/HPPD (not sure if that's 100% true) so I'm probably going to do mushies anyways. But I'm not sure if dropping LSD once is worth having seizure-like experiences and losing my job...and even worse - imagine driving in the car and getting a flashback. Do you guys think it's worth the risk or no? I want to hear from everyone, but more from people with flashbacks/HPPD. Thanks!
 
I think that you'll find most here say it's worth the risk. That's why they do it. ;)

I've tripped quite a few times on LSD and I've never had a seizure like experience of a flashback.
 
Yeah personally I don't worry about it, but it doesn't really matter if others worry about it, if it is important to you then it will be a stress regardless of what other people tell you.

Most of our actions involve some sort of risk, which we would drive ourselves crazy with if we were to constantly be analyzing the chances of so and so happening. Things happen sometimes despite our best efforts to prevent them.

I prefer to find a nice balance between surrender and conscious effort.
 
Yeah. Chances are I may do it, but I'm not sure. It could leave me homeless.

Legerity - "I prefer to find a nice balance between surrender and conscious effort. " Beautiful.
 
IME yes it's worth it.

Some people get an increase of visual static or what's called "visual noise" and get very mild HPPD or even flashbacks but they're not permanent or a lifelong thing, just abstaining from ALL psychedelics including smoking herb for 6 months to a year can make it go away.
 
before i started doing psychs i was really worried about HPPD. the first time i tried shrooms was not very fun, but eventually i got over my fears of HPPD and now i dont really ever think about it. if you worry about it you are more likely to notice effects that you think are caused by hppd. in my opinion the benefits of using psychedelic drugs far outweigh the risk of getting hppd. only a very small percentage of users actually get hppd. i recently had some visual static after doing 2c-e but it wasnt ever noticeable really, except when i smoked weed, and then it just got fun to notice. it went away like a week later.

before i got into psychs i tried salvia and i got what i thought was hppd- it was a pretty rough 6 months. mostly living inside my own head. once i started to get out and start having fun and stop thinking about it so much, it went away. this was before i even started doing psychs, and why i was afraid of hppd.
 
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I get flashbacks when i start to talk about a certain event during a trip.

Ive had amazingly euprhoric events, that when i talk about them this unstoppable joy comes over me and it feels like im back in the situation.

Then ive had a few VERY stressful experiences, and one tramatic event on LSD, involving me getting arrested with lots of stuff and being locked in a New York state jail for a week. Talk about shift in concsicousness, one min im at a festival raging my balls off, the next im getting arrested on the side of the highway in the snow with no shoes on.

So to answer your question, Yes, and no. If you have an amazing experience it is well worth it. Its all about set and setting.
 
KeepingThingsReal said:
14.

Yes, I know it's young, I had a whole thread about people my age doing psyches.
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I'd say, you really should not start taking psychedelics at such a young age. Wait until you're older. I don't think it's psychologically healthy to be taking strong drugs when you're still at such a point in your development.

My advice is no pot or booze before 16, nothing else before 18...


That said, that's not how flashbacks work.
Flashbacks as such are extremely rare, and usually are the result of horrible trips (which are avoidable though set, setting, proper dosing, etc).
HPPD and "lingering effects" is more of an issue. Generally caused by frequent use or excessive doses. Usually lasts for weeks, but can last much longer. This rarely interferes significantly with one's life, except in severe cases (which in turn are usually brought on by reckless use).
 
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TheAzo said:
I'd say, you really should not start taking psychedelics at such a young age. Wait until you're older. I don't think it's psychologically healthy to be taking strong drugs when you're still at such a point in your development.

My advice is no pot or booze before 16, nothing else before 18...
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" I'm going to wait a few years or so,"
And I already broke your ganja and liq rules.
 
I agree with TheAzo, its not very wise to start doing psychedelics at such a young age(I'm not saying others haven't and had sucess.. i know many people that have and i experimented with drugs at a young age not far from yours).. but ask yourself are you ready to try it?You have all your life to experiment.. and i doubt that LSD will dissapear any time soon ;).

Whatever you do, don't let your age determine what you will take, and when you take it.. but think heavily into the descision your making and don't listen to the rumors.. come at things with an open mind, psychedelics are resonably safe unless abused.
 
When you read those statistics does it also say what % really has problems with it? I have had one mushroom flashback and it did not bother me, I also have gotten mild HPPD signs but I consider them part of my life now, also even though when I am in the dark for example and I see tons of visual effects while I barely had that before ever tripping I am still a little proud of what I can 'achieve' without seeing.
There most certainly are levels of HPPD and also sorts of flashbacks that are impairing but to get the flashbacks you need to experience something deeply traumatic first (yes my second trip was so serious that it got me a flashback and still I wouldn't take it back). Some people get HPPD pretty fast - I can't speak for the people who were so unlucky but it doesn't seem like it's só many that you should be worried although it can always happen.

Tripping has changed me pretty permanently though (but I have done it a hell of a lot of times) and things about it can be tough, but it has also awakened me on certain levels. I would rather have this than risk going through life as a victim of circumstance if you get what I mean... it has helped me become my own person but who knows how far I would have developed myself without it, I don't know. I may have a little bit of Peter Pan syndrome lol... Really not trying to be elitist here ^ but I feel privileged to have the possibility to take these compounds every now and again, to have taught myself how to handle them.

Perhaps the only thing that I would have corrected was the way I did not know about or emphasize set and setting when I started.
 
To be truthfully honest.. i feel one or two tabs wouldn't do any harm What so ever.
Ignore the Media statistics etc etc ...They traumatise you before you even take the compound lol.
Getting flashbacks from anti-psychedelic media related things atm..not nice =P
 
To be honest I feel more threatened in terms of psychological rape by advertising :D but again: that is only with lots of experience. And even with experience it is still very much possible to have a terrifying trip especially with doses on the high side in the wrong setting.
I probably say that because I have had my share of difficult trips and it has made me more resilient.

But I understand the importance of set and setting now so it never gets that far anymore really. It may if I start experimenting again with strong psychedelics, but not soon due to incorrect settings.
With something like acid I never felt like there was too much but rather too much too fast, or too much in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's a great process but there needs to be time and place for it and no friction.
Things to cause friction are yourself (not letting go and surrendering to the experience, let whatever happens happen) and the situation (when you go deep into your mind but the situation doesn't let you, like people angry at you), so again S&S.
 
^ Can't agree more with the set and setting comment.. after all your enviroment is influencing how your feeling and if your tripping in a place you don't feel comfortable or you are around people you arent comfortable with, well you arent going to be very comfortable lol...even when your sober.=D
 
OP, I think your information is a little bit undistilled still, LSD doesn't cause any physical/epileptic "attacks" seizures or a steady person to person flashback that one can say is the same type of.

Like flashbacks are to my knowledge just one recalling or reliving a bit of a trip, which happens all day long with memories and synesthesias anyways sober or not. one can feel as if one is somewhere else by recalling the sub modalities of an experience like what they were feeling/hearing/thinking/tasting.

HPPD... now that exists for sure, but again I think it's quite a desired factor with psychedelics to hallucinate, many people look to their HPPD as a bit of a relic from their drug use and find it entertaining when say sitting and waiting in line for something :P.

Is it worth it to never take a hallucinogen and to miss out of that whole aspect of human life? I'd say that's a bit worse than seeing some of these patterns overlap into daily living, i'd rather be straight tripping than straightedge my whole life by miles and miles.
 
I enjoy having 'HPPD'. I can ignore it whenever I want, and when I concentrate on it it just makes things more interesting to look at. It's like a permanent visual afterglow. I certainly wouldn't call it a disorder, in the same sense we don't have a label like Hallucinogen Persisting Thought Disorder or whatever, for people whose thinking processes have been altered by psychedelics.

This is complete speculation but I reckon the 5% figure is bullshit - I have a sneaking suspicion that almost everyone who's indulged in psychedelics to any reasonable extent has it. Comes with the territory I think. Embrace it.
 
i have to say i agree with the outsider, having a suspicion that every user has some lingering after affects

if i have a good smoke the visuals are as if iv had 1 or two tabs and without a smoke they are only noticable if i really stare

back to the first bit tho, i feel that i experience visuals not because my mind has been altered but because everything (nature especially) was already trippy, it just took the acid for me to realise this, which is why i feel that anyone who has indulged will feel the same

can anyone with a bit more knowledge and experience shed some light?
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ps. to the OP i find that the more you think or worry about something, the more likely it is to happen
 
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