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Matsuo Munefusa.
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how do you get your tryptophan???
delta_9
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The most important nutrients for a vegan are vitamin B12(Methylcobalamin being my choice), as it is found nowhere in the plant kingdom.
And Vitamin D3(4000IU-5000IU per day for several months until blood tests yeild plasma levels of ~45nL for males) D3 intake can be reduced by 1000IU in the summer.
HOWEVER, before you go out and buy supplements make sure you get blood work to see if you actually need it(Although as a vegan I can pretty much gurantee you will need them)
And Vitamin D3(4000IU-5000IU per day for several months until blood tests yeild plasma levels of ~45nL for males) D3 intake can be reduced by 1000IU in the summer.
HOWEVER, before you go out and buy supplements make sure you get blood work to see if you actually need it(Although as a vegan I can pretty much gurantee you will need them)
Not until we know more (Source)
delta_9
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MynameisnotDeja
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Raw soybeans? Blech, wtf...
Yeah, we've been studying vegan diet (and looking at all the things I eat or could eat) and most of them contain hardly any tryptophan. I would like to go vegan but this is one of the things that is stopping me. So far I've just been eating raw + a little chicken or turkey and it seems to be working good for me. If I could find some vegan sources that would be awesome.
I can't really eat any grains. And all the beans I've looked at don't have very much. Any specific bean you're talking about Mehm?
A lot of vegans don't take vitamins and say you don't need to, so I don't really understand the whole B12 thing. Getting bloodwork done would never be an option for me, guess I'm on my own.
delta_9
Bluelighter
The whole "B12" thing is that a vegan diet contains 0% of this vital nutrient. None at all. It is only produced in nature via non-vegan sources(microbacteria living in symbiosis with larger organisms), so it CANNOT be gotten from diet alone.
If one is a vegan, they MUST supplement B12 or suffer deficiency. I don't know any easier way to explain it. And frankly(this is not directed at you at all, so please dont think I'm attacking you or anthing), I dont understand why I need to keep saying this so many times yet people still refuse to verify. It is in EVERY nutrition 101 textbook.
If one is a vegan, they MUST supplement B12 or suffer deficiency. I don't know any easier way to explain it. And frankly(this is not directed at you at all, so please dont think I'm attacking you or anthing), I dont understand why I need to keep saying this so many times yet people still refuse to verify. It is in EVERY nutrition 101 textbook.
MynameisnotDeja
Bluelight Crew
No. I get what you are saying. I'm just wondering, if it is so vital, how many vegans who claim to not take any supplements are surviving. Some seem healthy, are they lying and secretly taking B12?
It does make me question the vegan diet if one cannot survive on it without supplements. I'm not wondering if ovo-veggie might be the best option. My goal is to take zero supplements in the future.
It does make me question the vegan diet if one cannot survive on it without supplements. I'm not wondering if ovo-veggie might be the best option. My goal is to take zero supplements in the future.
delta_9
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Oh they wont drop dead on the spot or anything like that, but they will succumb to a host of defeciency diseases, for example pernicious anemia, crohn's disease, and celiac disease to name a few.
Possible. There are also food products fortified with this nutrient. Although if it is from an animal source it is no longer vegan.
Why? EPA/DHA omega-3 oil and Vitamin D3 has so much science behind it it's astounding. These are the only 2 supplements I would NEVER remove from my stack.
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addictivepersona
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...Just wanted to point out that D3 is not Vegan--D2 is, however. Yes, I am aware that "D3 is better assimilated by our bodies" but whatever.
B12 deficiency takes many years to develop/show. I think it's somewhere around five? And with processed foods rampant in our diets, many Vegans are probably getting somewhat adequate B12.
B12 deficiency takes many years to develop/show. I think it's somewhere around five? And with processed foods rampant in our diets, many Vegans are probably getting somewhat adequate B12.
MynameisnotDeja
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As far as the omegas, I get them from food like fish or flax. I just try and keep everything food based. I am going for as simple a life as possible, and as affordable as well. When I used to take a lot of supplements I was spending over a hundred dollars a month at one point. It's a constant NEED to get all that stuff and I am bad enough as it is at getting to the store to get what groceries I need. I just need to create a simple life with less things to buy.
Plus, honestly I just feel better when I take less supplements. I have to buy from one specific company to make sure it is certified allergen free (there are lots of gluten free ones out there but unfortunately not many companies are gluten, corn, AND soy free). I got sick from taking supplements for a long time and, like processed food, it is such a pain in the ass to sort through which company does what, and to make sure it is safe... once I had a company tell me something was corn free and I got sick and later found out that the particular service rep I'd talked to had no idea and just made it up and their product DID contain corn.
It's just a big headache for me. But I will continue taking my D3 throughout the winter until I can begin sunbathing again, for sure.
I notice a difference in my mood and my healing time after only a week of taking it! I'm very sensitive and can pretty much feel how everything I ingest effects me. So yes, I say it is powerful stuff!
MynameisnotDeja
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OKay, so I went to my raw forums because I wanted to hear a little of what they had to say and see what you thought about it Delta...
Here is some of the stuff I read over there:
So, IS there B12 in sea products? Because that is what people are saying. This is why I am confused. Some say there are NO vegan sources. Others say seaweed, algae, etc.
Dulse is vegan, no? I won't bother quoting it but another person said Goji berries have B12. I looked at my bag and there is no B vitamins listed. I checked the nutrition data online and can't seem to find anything about them having any B vitamins. So I'll toss that one out.
They are also saying it comes from gut bacteria so eating probiotic foods should make B12?
Another interesting quote:
Hmm....
A lot of other people said to supplement. So I suspect some of them don't know what they are talking about, but I thought some opinions from an all vegan board might be interesting for this thread.
It seems like 90% raw vegan food and 10% animal products such as egg might make for a good balanced diet. I wonder what some vegans think of eggs, if the person raises the hens themselves and treats them well. I know some are against pets all together but I think that is ridiculous and would never take it that far. I mostly just want to get away from the factory farmed stuff.
Here is some of the stuff I read over there:
So, IS there B12 in sea products? Because that is what people are saying. This is why I am confused. Some say there are NO vegan sources. Others say seaweed, algae, etc.
Dulse is vegan, no? I won't bother quoting it but another person said Goji berries have B12. I looked at my bag and there is no B vitamins listed. I checked the nutrition data online and can't seem to find anything about them having any B vitamins. So I'll toss that one out.
They are also saying it comes from gut bacteria so eating probiotic foods should make B12?
Another interesting quote:
Hmm....
A lot of other people said to supplement. So I suspect some of them don't know what they are talking about, but I thought some opinions from an all vegan board might be interesting for this thread.
It seems like 90% raw vegan food and 10% animal products such as egg might make for a good balanced diet. I wonder what some vegans think of eggs, if the person raises the hens themselves and treats them well. I know some are against pets all together but I think that is ridiculous and would never take it that far. I mostly just want to get away from the factory farmed stuff.
Matsuo Munefusa.
Bluelighter
an easy solution is to inject 1mg of B complex 2/week. Simple injection with a slin syringe.
Changed,
Tryptophan is important because it is one of the fundamental building blocks in your diet. So, if you are trying to heal your body with a raw vegan diet...then you are going to need to figure out the tryptophan problem (as I call it hehe). I think there is an answer...it involves perhaps very complicated food combinations.
Changed,
Tryptophan is important because it is one of the fundamental building blocks in your diet. So, if you are trying to heal your body with a raw vegan diet...then you are going to need to figure out the tryptophan problem (as I call it hehe). I think there is an answer...it involves perhaps very complicated food combinations.
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I've been wondering about the B vitamin thing for a while--perhaps since I first started eating raw this summer. Now that I've restarted the raw thing, I'm thinking that I need to get some B-vitamins. I take a multi that contains something like 5000% DV of the different B-vitamins, but I also see that my piss is bright yellow after I take the multi, meaning most of that stuff is being flushed down the toilet.
The idea of adding eggs to the diet is pretty repulsive-- I'd rather eat chicken. Then again, the whole point of eating this way is to be free of preservatives and unnecessary chemicals (antibiotics, anyone?). I do eat greek yogurt, but it is expensive and probably does not contain enough B12 to matter. The next alternative may be canned fish, but who knows how many preservatives and how much sodium they pack into a can? Then the next issue is: what do I eat it with? Oh right, I'll go buy some mayo and mustard (w/ high fructose corn syrup & Red 40, Yellow 30, etc...).
You just can't win when it comes to eating healthy.
edit: Maybe I just have to admit it: eating vegan or vegetarian isn't healthy. Sure, I feel stupendous when I'm eating a mostly raw diet. Yeah, my bowel movements are frequent, large, and enjoyable. No, my stomach is never bloated or grumbling, or painful and gassy. Yes, I drop excess weight that I probably shouldn't be carrying around. But, every nutritionist in the world is saying I'm lacking this or that, then I look up the symptoms of the deficiency and say to myself, "Hmm... maybe I feel that way." It's almost a feeling of guilt that I'm eating what appears to be healthy while most other people eat utter shit. Maybe I do need to get my 400 grams of protein a day? Maybe I need those extra pounds on my body? And maybe I need to eat those whole-wheat carbs that make me want to take a nap and have me feeling weighted down for hours? Who the fuck knows?
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The idea of adding eggs to the diet is pretty repulsive-- I'd rather eat chicken. Then again, the whole point of eating this way is to be free of preservatives and unnecessary chemicals (antibiotics, anyone?). I do eat greek yogurt, but it is expensive and probably does not contain enough B12 to matter. The next alternative may be canned fish, but who knows how many preservatives and how much sodium they pack into a can? Then the next issue is: what do I eat it with? Oh right, I'll go buy some mayo and mustard (w/ high fructose corn syrup & Red 40, Yellow 30, etc...).
You just can't win when it comes to eating healthy.
edit: Maybe I just have to admit it: eating vegan or vegetarian isn't healthy. Sure, I feel stupendous when I'm eating a mostly raw diet. Yeah, my bowel movements are frequent, large, and enjoyable. No, my stomach is never bloated or grumbling, or painful and gassy. Yes, I drop excess weight that I probably shouldn't be carrying around. But, every nutritionist in the world is saying I'm lacking this or that, then I look up the symptoms of the deficiency and say to myself, "Hmm... maybe I feel that way." It's almost a feeling of guilt that I'm eating what appears to be healthy while most other people eat utter shit. Maybe I do need to get my 400 grams of protein a day? Maybe I need those extra pounds on my body? And maybe I need to eat those whole-wheat carbs that make me want to take a nap and have me feeling weighted down for hours? Who the fuck knows?
fuckit
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addictivepersona
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There's a precursor to tryptophan that's found in plant-based diets--Doesn't require complicated food combinations, 'cause, unless I'm mistaken, you get it from legumes and the precursor gets turned into tryptophan with one of the amino acids found in grains. So, if you eat legumes and you eat grains, you're all set.
I'll dig out my nutrition text later to check on this just to make sure--It's been awhile since last semester. *Rolls eyes*
Matsuo Munefusa.
Bluelighter
No, I think you are wrong. The human body cannot create tryptophan is my understanding. Please do go find that textbook though perhaps you can teach me something 