Paleolithic diet and exercise.

[lozgod]

If you forgo carbs, you must make up for that by eating more fat, correct? Does that pose a greater risk to your cardiovascular system?

The research says it improves cholesterol levels. Even the saturated fat risk is misleading. Saturated fat risks are lumped together with transfats as far as the dangers. Saturated fats are shown to be beneficial to HDL/LDL levels. I don't have a link but I have the Protein Power, Atkins, and Paleo Diet books and they all discus it in depth.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

people who consume "healthy fats" in lieu of saturated fats, or carb heavy diets do pretty well in that regard.

Depends on the saturated fat, they are not all the same. I base a lot of my calories on coconut oil which is a healthy saturated fat.

 

[lozgod]

Depends on the saturated fat, they are not all the same. I base a lot of my calories on coconut oil which is a healthy saturated fat.

Same goes for "bad" LDL cholesterol. Their is good and bad LDL cholesterol AND good and bad transfats. There is naturally occuring transfat which is being proven to have health benefits vs man made trans fats which are bad health wise.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa.]

what is an example of a naturally occuring trans-fat??? Never heard.

edit - just looked it up...appears like CLA is a natural trans-fat. Thats the good stuff in grassfed beef iirc.

 

[lozgod]

what is an example of a naturally occuring trans-fat??? Never heard.

edit - just looked it up...appears like CLA is a natural trans-fat. Thats the good stuff in grassfed beef iirc.

Yeah,. there is some confusion about CLA. People think it is an omega-6 when it is actually a trans-fat.

 

[Mehm]

pre-historic people were spread far and wide across the globe and lived in many different environments. Their diets were extremely varied from region to region. Food for thought.

Also, organisms adapt very quickly to their environments. This is true on a genetic level as it pertains to gene signaling through environmental stimulus. Some people do not tolerate grains. However, most humans do. Saying that grains are intrinsically unnatural or unhealthy is false imo. This is in regard to the paleo diet and not any posters in this thread...as no one has made such a claim

 

[lozgod]

pre-historic people were spread far and wide across the globe and lived in many different environments. Their diets were extremely varied from region to region. Food for thought.

Also, organisms adapt very quickly to their environments. This is true on a genetic level as it pertains to gene signaling through environmental stimulus. Some people do not tolerate grains. However, most humans do. Saying that grains are intrinsically unnatural or unhealthy is false imo. This is in regard to the paleo diet and not any posters in this thread...as no one has made such a claim

This is true and can be seen today. Eskimos and tribal Chinese are perfect examples. The eskimoes live entirely almost off of a fatty diet and have no heart disease, and the tribal chinese have a grain based diet and again have no heart disease.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa.]

another example, the tibetan people. Dalai Lama actually had to start consuming animal flesh for serious health problems (atrophy) despite his religion which is based on compassion.

 

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another example, the tibetan people. Dalai Lama actually had to start consuming animal flesh for serious health problems (atrophy) despite his religion which is based on compassion.

This is sort of a moot point, since Buddhism says nothing about not eating animals. Plenty of Buddhists are carnivores.

 

[Changed]

I'd love to see pictures of the mostly raw diet working for you. I get to watch day by day (up close and personal ) somebody doing a mostly raw diet. It is doing amazing things for this person's body. Her goals however are very different from your own.

I did the diet this past summer and worked out and saw noticeable gains and felt the best I've felt in my life. Since then I've gone off the diet (tough living in a very cold environment with limited income!). But, I have a decent paying job and I'm re-upping my gym membership tomorrow, so I might take some before and after pics this time around.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa.]

^ dooo it!

what is your diet plan going to look like? How are you going to get tryptophan in sufficient quantities to build muscle?

This is sort of a moot point, since Buddhism says nothing about not eating animals. Plenty of Buddhists are carnivores.

^ haha you're funny. Google ahimsa.

 

[delta_9]

EDIT -- 2 Posts Up @ Changed
^Actually it does. Although the Buddha did not eat the flesh of animals, he himself taught his Arahats(60 of them to be precise) not to refuse anything placed in their beggin bowl(even meat, to avoid attachment which is dukkha), the slaguhter of an animal strictly for the purpose of feeding a Nun, Arahat, or Buddha generates great negative karma(merit) and is quite frowned upon.
A true Buddha sees beings as nothing but 'fluxes' of dharma, and although he knows there are no "true" beings, in his infinite wisdom he is able to reconcile this view with his ultimate compassion for all beings.

Slaughtering/Eating meat is nothing more that adding to the common lot of suffering(dukkha, and neither a Bodhisattva, and Arahat, or a true Buddha would do such a think.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa.]

I would also like to point out that "buddhism" as a term is an odd one, since buddhist communities around the world have traditionally adopted cultural norms of the society in which they have placed themselves in. As a result there is very little that is the same across all buddhist communities. It is much better to be more exact about where exactly in the world you are talking about when referring "buddhism".

 

[delta_9]

I thought it was quite obvious. My mistake. I clearly said 'The Buddha' and his Arahats.(his disciples)

You are correct though, there are many Buddhist communities, however(correct me I'm wrong please) one cannot be a buddhist without belief in karma, rebirth, dharma, duhkka, the Four Noble Truths, and the only true path, The Holy Eightfold Path.

Aside from some extreme conditions, like living an ascetic life literally without anything to eat but meat(Oh, and btw, while the Buddha was training his meditative and yogic practices, he was able to reduce his intake to a single drop of bean soup per day), how could one possibly call themselves a Buddhist when they consume meat. (Which btw the sutras tell us is duhkka). This will lead to an endless(hopfully not) cycle of rebirths in various hells and on Eerth(although a Human birth is not as rare as a boddisatva)

Final Edit - You guys have been saying "Buddhism" says nothing of eating meat. This is provable fact. See the Sutras for any confusion

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I can't really get on board with that. Buddhists all around the world eat meat on a regular basis.

If we're going to quote Buddhist "scripture," I'll go straight for the "don't take my word for it, only accept it if you witness it yourself" line.



edit: and, being sure that there will be a passionate and long-winded response to my post, I'll add this quote:

To summarize what the suttas tell us: it appears that one may, with a clear conscience, receive, cook, and eat meat that either was freely offered by someone else, or that came from an animal who died of natural causes. But as to purchasing meat, I am just not sure. There are no clear-cut answers here.

We are all guilty of complicity, in one way or another and to varying degrees, in the harming and death of other creatures. Whether we are carnivore, vegan, or something in between, no matter how carefully we choose our food, somewhere back along the long chain of food production and preparation, killing took place. No matter how carefully we trod, with every step countless insects, mites, and other creatures inadvertently perish under our feet.

So, is there a difference between killing a four legged mammal and an insect? How about those greens that were picked from the field to fill up your salad bowl? Weren't they living things? Surely you'll be banished to hell and forced into reincarnation in many forms for eating that micro-green salad.

 

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^ dooo it!

what is your diet plan going to look like? How are you going to get tryptophan in sufficient quantities to build muscle?

All of your joking aside, I have no idea what tryptophan has to do with building muscle. If we're talking about protein, the building block of muscle gain, I can show you my sources.

 

[Mehm]

^tryptophan is one of the essential amino acids that make up a complete protein profile.

one cannot be a buddhist without belief in karma, rebirth, dharma, duhkka, the Four Noble Truths, and the only true path, The Holy Eightfold Path.

What about Zen Buddhism? I don't think many of its adherents have a strict belief in such things but I could be wrong.

 

[delta_9]

I can't really get on board with that. Buddhists all around the world eat meat on a regular basis.

If we're going to quote Buddhist "scripture," I'll go straight for the "don't take my word for it, only accept it if you witness it yourself" line.



edit: and, being sure that there will be a passionate and long-winded response to my post, I'll add this quote:

So, is there a difference between killing a four legged mammal and an insect? How about those greens that were picked from the field to fill up your salad bowl? Weren't they living things? Surely you'll be banished to hell and forced into reincarnation in many forms for eating that micro-green salad.

edit: and, being sure that there will be a passionate and long-winded response to my post

Not at all I'll keep it quite simple.

For starters, there is no Buddhist "hell" per se. Once simply waits for their newest birth according to past karma (merit)

So, is there a difference between killing a four legged mammal and an insect? How about those greens that were picked from the field to fill up your salad bowl? Weren't they living things? Surely you'll be banished to hell and forced into reincarnation in many forms for eating that micro-green salad.

No. All is One, One is All. There are no "beings", no "I", there is no "Ego". All creatures(barring some of the more advanced Boddhisatvas, Devas,Demi-gods, and Buddhas) are this.

I do realize you're playing devil's advocate, but I just haven't the patience for it.

I will say one more time though that YOU said that Buddhists eat meat, which is in fact quite true. I said Buddhist texts and sutras consider this duhkka

 

[Changed]

What about Zen Buddhism? I don't think many of its adherents have a strict belief in such things but I could be wrong.

You are absolutely correct.

Buddhism and the internet do not mix.

 

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I do realize you're playing devil's advocate, but I just haven't the patience for it.

???

"No I. All is One" etc, etc...