basically a lot of of organic substances haven't been refined enough for potting use remember I'm an indoor grower who has to try and recreate what I don't have from the outdoors and using certain animal products once used up may leave unwanted residues and can potentially harm your plant yes your right flushing at the end is to leach all the fertilizers out for a cleaner smoke? but from a standpoint you really cant leach out the fertilizers every where what you used i.e chemicals, guano, are already sown into your final product your fruit, when using veganics I'm feeding the soil bringing it life so in turn it will take care of the plant. the healthier the plant the less problems your plant will go through will speed up the time it takes to mature
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Artificial Emotion
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Who has given you the idea the idea that fertilizers derived from animal products leave 'residues' if you don't mind me asking? I don't agree that that's the case. The reason is that all organic fertilizers, whether from plant or animal origin are converted into exactly the same plant available nutrients. Animal-derived fertilizers if used as directed do not 'harm' your plant any more than any other plant-derived organic nutrient. I'm not sure where your getting this from but it's certainly not the case as far as I'm aware. I and many other people have been using animal fertilizers such as bonemeal, manures or fishmeal/fish hydrolysate for a long time with excellent results. There's no reason why they are inferior.
I, using these animal derived fertilizers am able to feed the soil and create a healthy soil microherd just as much as one is able to with vegan fertilizers. I know because I've even seen the microherd in my soil under a microscope.
Prelude2TragedyII
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AE, Were you talking to me about the handheld microscopes? I got one with 100X, has a light/focus, it was 15$ works pretty nice. But yeah, I was just saying thats pretty much what I was aiming for, I like the amber better as I've mentioned lol
Prelude2TragedyII
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Leaves on my Afghan kush are yellowing and necrotic from the tips to down to the near middle the leaves are necrotic, rest is green, haven't been giving them nutes past 2-3 waters, do they need nutes now, or probably just that one, as its the only one with the problem , potassium maybe , anyone know? the rest seem fine
badandwicked
Bluelighter
Yep give it a feed. In my experience if the others are all the same strain and in the same medium & same size pots they're probably not far behind in terms of showing a deficiency so feed them too, maybe a weaker solution. Don't give the sick one too strong a feed first off, better to start weak 7 build up or you may shock it.
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you make very good points! I just had to see what you would say your the only one who replied to my thread so that means your active can you add me as a friend Id like to have a person to discuss ideas with seriously and id value your input
you make very good points! I just had to see what you would say your the only one who replied to my thread so that means your active can you add me as a friend Id like to have a person to discuss ideas with seriously and id value your input
Prelude2TragedyII
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The larger plants weren't showing many problems, not even now, they are just yellowing, and after they yellow they become necrotic and die off, Ill give it a small feed
badandwicked
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How much of a problem do you want before you consider it a problem lol? That's what I consider a problem. Sounds like nitrogen deficiency. They might only be fan leaves but they don't have too many to start with and they're the 'battery packs' of the plant. Any indication that the plant is deficient means the plant is struggling for resources, and this will result in your yield being affected.
goaheadanjuna
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hi wise 420; i spoke to a friend about th ph round here and he told me that he takes his straight froth tap, leaves it for 24hrs and the ph is fine, so i have done that and it looks like it has sorted that problem so thanx alot for your advice, i dont know how to put a picture on here so unless some one can help i cant put any on to help sorry, now i have another problem as you know this is my first grow, so trying to work out wat different people tell you is difficult to work out eh, well until i found this fantastic site, well wats wrong with her is that a friend told me bout 6 weeks ago to nip the tops so i did, well i dont know if i did it wrong or at the wrong time, because like i have said the bottom 3/4 of her looksfantastic loads of pistol every where lovely green leaves but the tops just dont look right, there is loads of small arms coming out but ir just looks behind the bottom half of her, also some of THE leaves are turning down and back under its self, they dont look scorched at all any of them, no discolourisation on any of them, i cab see loads crystals forming every where on the lower half, have you got any idea with out a pics thanx for any advice
badandwicked
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oh I didn't realise they were so fall along. So yeah, yellowing and falling leaves is normal towards the end.
A Lucid Pet
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Novelty? lol my op looks like a joke! :D
It's a 4' x 3' x 4' box that's attached to a 8' x 6' x 4' flowering room.
the big box is my flowering room and the lower smaller box is my veg room. The upper smaller box I use as a supply room. I have ventilation now. Most of those 20 died withing the first week. It was a sharp learning curve lol. Basically I've just been growing anything I can get my hands on for free with the exception of these seeds I'm fairly sure are hermes.
I want this to be going perpetually so before any flowering I've been trying to get my cloning to reliable rates. I also wanted to KISS and start with the easiest method and gradually work my way up the technical scale. I wanted that balance between effective and KISS. I started out with a wick cloner and also started some straight to soil party cups. Then I went to rapid rooters. I waited weeks in between trying different methods in order to give the clones some time to root. Now I've build a little DIY aerocloner and roots are already shooting just like everyone said they would. I just wanted to make sure the extra water, electricity, noise, whatever would be worth the cut down on time rooting time. So far it looks like it will be.
Since I've been vegging these plants so long though I've been able to experiment with some bonsai, bending, cutting and as you've seen some root pruning. Also some silly stuff like the air-layering.
So that's where I'm at. And when I finally have some plants I would like to start flowering and just as my flowering room is sealed to my satisfaction I find my ballast doesn't want to work.
This is a medical grow for myself. Anything extra will probably be given to my co-op.
w01fg4ng
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Happy days are here again.
3-4 weeks into flower; og kush
3-4 weeks into flower; og kush
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Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
Can you tell me what extraction fan you're using (what rating they are)? And what intake fan are you using? Where are they placed, where are you extracting to and where are you intaking from? How are you controlling fan speeds? Are using some sort of fan controller? This is probably one of the most important parts of your grow so you can't skimp on costs.
What light are you using? This determines what extraction you need, primarily.
Also how are you controlling smell? You need a carbon filter. It is essential.
Also, I can tell you aerocloners do not clone any faster than conventional methods eg compost, in fact they're often slower. I use one, but the only reason is because I can leave it and it's better suited to some aeroponic systems. Are you measuring the aerocloner res temperature? If the ambient temp is below 18-20C are you using an res heater to raise the temp? Are you avoiding the res temps exceeding 22C?
There are many other aspects you also need to consider. A lot of people don't realise this and mess up when they start out. Costs can also build up - so far I've spent in excess of £2000-£3000 on my growing stuff. I'm not saying you need to pay this much but you need to keep in mind that there are significant costs associated with growing indoors. Don't forget how much your electricity is going to cost, by the way. It's a lot more expensive than it used to be before energy prices spiked. If you want to keep costs down, stick to 18/6 lighting (20/4 yields more) and think about going on a cheaper plan. Don't steal electricity though.
What light are you using? This determines what extraction you need, primarily.
Also how are you controlling smell? You need a carbon filter. It is essential.
Also, I can tell you aerocloners do not clone any faster than conventional methods eg compost, in fact they're often slower. I use one, but the only reason is because I can leave it and it's better suited to some aeroponic systems. Are you measuring the aerocloner res temperature? If the ambient temp is below 18-20C are you using an res heater to raise the temp? Are you avoiding the res temps exceeding 22C?
There are many other aspects you also need to consider. A lot of people don't realise this and mess up when they start out. Costs can also build up - so far I've spent in excess of £2000-£3000 on my growing stuff. I'm not saying you need to pay this much but you need to keep in mind that there are significant costs associated with growing indoors. Don't forget how much your electricity is going to cost, by the way. It's a lot more expensive than it used to be before energy prices spiked. If you want to keep costs down, stick to 18/6 lighting (20/4 yields more) and think about going on a cheaper plan. Don't steal electricity though.
Novelty? lol my op looks like a joke! :D
It's a 4' x 3' x 4' box that's attached to a 8' x 6' x 4' flowering room.
the big box is my flowering room and the lower smaller box is my veg room. The upper smaller box I use as a supply room. I have ventilation now. Most of those 20 died withing the first week. It was a sharp learning curve lol. Basically I've just been growing anything I can get my hands on for free with the exception of these seeds I'm fairly sure are hermes.
I want this to be going perpetually so before any flowering I've been trying to get my cloning to reliable rates. I also wanted to KISS and start with the easiest method and gradually work my way up the technical scale. I wanted that balance between effective and KISS. I started out with a wick cloner and also started some straight to soil party cups. Then I went to rapid rooters. I waited weeks in between trying different methods in order to give the clones some time to root. Now I've build a little DIY aerocloner and roots are already shooting just like everyone said they would. I just wanted to make sure the extra water, electricity, noise, whatever would be worth the cut down on time rooting time. So far it looks like it will be.
Since I've been vegging these plants so long though I've been able to experiment with some bonsai, bending, cutting and as you've seen some root pruning. Also some silly stuff like the air-layering.
So that's where I'm at. And when I finally have some plants I would like to start flowering and just as my flowering room is sealed to my satisfaction I find my ballast doesn't want to work.
This is a medical grow for myself. Anything extra will probably be given to my co-op.
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Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
Happy days are here again.
3-4 weeks into flower; og kush
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Did you train her or was she grown freestyle? I see a cane...
Unfortunately because I'm scrogging me 3 ladies they won't ever make the front cover of High Times but it's yield I'm after.
I flipped to 12/12 on Saturday so I'm waiting for the stretch and took cuttings yesterday for a mother plant when I choose the cream of the crop.
Your plants look very pretty. The leaves are nice and fat on that phenotype I can see.
w01fg4ng
Bluelighter
Thanks and good eye AE. There is a cane holding her up, and that is the only training she has received. I normally like to top and/or supercrop (and sometimes even scrog) my girls, but this one I let her go freestyle for the most part.
Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
Cool. I'm actually thinking of trying something different next grow when I use my Amazon aeroponic system. The good thing about scrog screens is that they support the foliage as well, making it easier to deal with top heavy plants which topple over if nft, aero systems etc.
A Lucid Pet
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Maybe this will illuminate things. Please pardon the mess and the blur. I'm using an 8" vortex fan with a can 33 filter and a 6" vortex fan pulling air through both of the 600W hoods. I have intakes in the veg and flowering room and also the wall in between them. I'm sure I'll have to tweak them in the summer but they are fine for now. I'm pretty new to actually growing but I've been reading for quite a while now. Of course experience is really the best teacher though lol.
With regards to the aero-cloning. I will agree that it might be just as good as other methods but that is only given certain conditions. Given the conditions I plan on growing under the aerocloner has been the most effective by far. I'm not doing anything to account for the temperature of the res as of yet because I'm getting roots where it's at. I will take note and watch it but I'm satisfied for now.
Check this thing out. I call it Braveheart lol! :D
It came out of a seed that I had abandoned and left in a cup that I used to collect run-off. I was about to throw out the soil when I noticed it coming out of the bottom cup. It didn't even have 1/2 the leaves it has now two days ago. It's pretty fucking awesome to watch grow lol.
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w01fg4ng, those are amazing looking plans. Just fantastic.
