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is homosexuality a choice?

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Renkei said:
Is it the same for murderers? your really a product of your environment. some people choose it, some people don't. this is what makes us all different and unique and can't be judged on one case.
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Are you comparing murder to homosexuality? Murder (especially for monetary gain or revevenge) is morally wrong because it slaughters innocent people. I think your refering to Jeffrey Dahmer style "BORN" psycho and sociopath types. Yes they are born with faulty (ok not faulty just terrifiyingly different)brains.

Homosexuality and serial killers who have legitamite urges to kill are not the same. But I guess Yeah. There are problobly sadistic people who have the urge to kill but don't act on cause they realize the consequences from making a choice like that.
 
Men in the country im currently posted at totally sucks. Theyre just...too feminine.
Ive tried exploring chicks to expand my choice but just couldnt do it :(
So at least for me, its not something you can choose.
 
ninjadanslarbretabar said:
what if you are Buddhist and believe in reincarnation, are gay reincarnated as gay again in every life ?
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somone i work with claims that if you are gay you were a woman in a previous life, in that you carried your attraction from one life to the next.

bizarrely it sort of makes sense as in this case people who are asexual maybe are the reincarnated souls of self replicating organisms like amoeba, or mushrooms:)
 
i dont know im a hetero male and if i was reborn a woman i would want to be with a man, its the completion of one into the other that makes sense to me more than woman in themself
 
hahaha the buddhists idea is great..and kinda makes sense. i dont think you choose to be gay. did you choose to be straight. and i dont think its a product of your environment. there are twins who have grown up the same way, pretty much same everything, and one can be gay and the other straight. if they were both raised the same, how could that be a product of environment?
 
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You yourself have written how you're not sexually attracted to men at all and how sex with men or a man that you had was boring to you, and how you wouldn't want to waste a minute doing anything but pursuing women, that makes you hetero/straight.
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You might as well have punched me in the face. Please do not call me straight again. Stop labeling me. Why on earth would I want to commit to on sexual orientation? I reserve the right to fuck whomever I please, whenever I please, IF I DECIDE TO.

A man can turn me on just like a horny un-neutered dog can get turned on by a human leg. I choose who I fuck with. Friction is friction.

If sexuality was really that fluid for you-you'd easily be able to go from being hetero/straight to actually being bisexual or pansexual when you are neither.
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YOU DO NOT DECIDE WHAT I AM. I decide. Your labels DO NOT apply to me.

What is this obsession people have with labeling other people? *snip* and your petty, limiting labels. They do not apply to me. A noun is a verb. Someone who is fucking a woman is not 'straight', their fucking a woman. Now go read some Robert Anton Wilson.

Yes there are people who really are bisexual/pansexual or have a fluid sexuality, but you're not one of them because you're hetero/straight.
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Just stop. I get turned on by and fuck whatever I want to. I decide. Just because you feel like you have no choice in regards to your sexuality, doesn't mean that you have a right to apply your limiting labels to everyone else.

It's like how gay men like myself and others who have posted to this thread theoretically could have sex with a woman or if we have in the past it does not make us bisexual or pansexual at all because we're homosexual/gay and are always only going to be attracted to the same sex/gender only.
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Once I got wood and had my cat lick my dick and it felt great, does that mean I am a felinosexual?

I do not fear anarchy at all and I'm not projecting my fears onto anyone. I'm not mentally ill either.
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Ugh. I view monosexuality as a mental illness that is a product of hormones and cultural conditioning. If you have healthy levels of testosterone and you do not find a ready and willing ovulating woman sexy then I would bet the house that you had some experiences that messed you up early on.

Sorry to hear that you were homeless but interacting with a gay man in public or even having him proposition you for sex or flirting with you if it's a park where public sex tends to go on between bisexual and gay men is not being predatory at all.
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Oh? Well women find 'straight' men who constantly proposition them quite predatory.
 
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I am going to take a wild guess and say that all those who are monosexual and believe that sexuality is NOT a choice also participate in partisan politics and are statists.

Your fucked up sexualities are played out in your need for and support for authoritarian social structures. Because you are messed up sexually, you feel the need for protection and to render your moral value systems absolute. You feel like punishing yourself and others by stifling freedom.

Pitiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNdPnd-c_Q
 
well i wasnt necessarily saying that it is not a choice. i mean your free to choose what ever way you want. like i can say women turn me on and id definitely hook up with one, but i would consider myself straight. i would for sure rather have a relationship with a guy but thats cause im crazy enough, i wouldnt wanna deal with more chick problems. plus i wouldnt wanna always be the dominant one in the relationship.

im not saying its not a choice, but i do believe the majority of people dont choose. if you wanna label go ahead, if you dont believe in labels then by all means fuck em. i dont participate in partisan politics, i dont really pick one over the other. im registered republican but fuck that. id say im more libertarian, but i dont really agree whole heatedly with them. and i would by all means admit when my opponent was right. generally they argument "they were born that way" is good against the religious view of how you choose to be blaspheming devil worshiping freaks. if you wanna choose your sexuality then more power to ya.


soahc said:
What is this obsession people have with labeling other people? Fuck you and your petty, limiting labels. They do not apply to me. A noun is a verb. Someone who is fucking a woman is not 'straight', their fucking a woman. Now go read some Robert Anton Wilson.
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if you dont like labeling, then why label people as participating in partisan politics and being statists. thats like saying were all square, straight edge republican, money hoarding, gas guzzling assholes. not trying to start shit, im just stating a point.
 
Homosexuality is not a choice in my opinion. I've tried watching gay porn just to see if I would enjoy it , obviously didn't. I cannot see physical, sexual beauty in men .
 
i guess i believe its situational. most dont choose but some can.

i somehow feel its a little different with girls then guys. it is way more socially acceptable for a girl to be turned on by other girls. in fact i feel its kinda encouraged. but for guys to just hook up with other guys when they are straight..is not so hot. imo and a lot of other people i know guy on guy is NOT hot.

its like a double standard its like a girl can choose but a guy is either straight or gay. no question about it. and if a girl is turned on by other girls and is willing to hook up with them, but only dates guys they are considered straight..imo. but it is definitely not that way for guys.

its a tricky situation.
 
soahc said:
I am going to take a wild guess and say that all those who are monosexual and believe that sexuality is NOT a choice also participate in partisan politics and are statists.

Your fucked up sexualities are played out in your need for and support for authoritarian social structures. Because you are messed up sexually, you feel the need for protection and to render your moral value systems absolute. You feel like punishing yourself and others by stifling freedom.

Pitiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNdPnd-c_Q
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i dont think "fuck me !" would be the appropriate turn of phrase to use for you.

but im gettin a good laugh, so, what the hey...
 
A few points:
1) There are very few people that are 100% gay or 100% straight (there are probably none).
2) Everyone is bisexual. Anyone disagree?
3) The ratio of how much you like the opposite sex to the same sex determines if you are gay are not. Example: Person finds 51% of all people of the opposite sex attractive. However, person also finds 49% of all people of the same sex attractive. They would fall into the heterosexual label. Vice-versa would equal homosexual label.
4) Homosexuality can kind of be considered a choice if a heterosexual resorts to lying to oneself and others to the point of falling into the homosexual label as defined in point 3.
 
rollingstoned! said:
A few points:
1) There are very few people that are 100% gay or 100% straight (there are probably none).
2) Everyone is bisexual. Anyone disagree?
3) The ratio of how much you like the opposite sex to the same sex determines if you are gay are not. Example: Person finds 51% of all people of the opposite sex attractive. However, person also finds 49% of all people of the same sex attractive. They would fall into the heterosexual label. Vice-versa would equal homosexual label.
4) Homosexuality can kind of be considered a choice if a heterosexual resorts to lying to oneself and others to the point of falling into the homosexual label as defined in point 3.
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never heard such trash in my life.
 
rollingstoned! said:
A few points:
1) There are very few people that are 100% gay or 100% straight (there are probably none).
2) Everyone is bisexual. Anyone disagree?
3) The ratio of how much you like the opposite sex to the same sex determines if you are gay are not. Example: Person finds 51% of all people of the opposite sex attractive. However, person also finds 49% of all people of the same sex attractive. They would fall into the heterosexual label. Vice-versa would equal homosexual label.
4) Homosexuality can kind of be considered a choice if a heterosexual resorts to lying to oneself and others to the point of falling into the homosexual label as defined in point 3.
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1-That's not true, if you need examples of people who are straight/hetero look at Mercc96 and the other straight people who've posted in this topic.

Jamshyd and other gay men who have posted here are gay/homosexual. I'm sure some lesbian women have replied too.

People who are gay/lesbian and bisexual make up a very small percentage of the human population. Heterosexuals or straight people make up the majority of the human population. Actually study human sexuality more and you'll see what I wrote about.

2-See paragraph above. No not everyone is bisexual. My gay male friends are simply not attracted sexually at all to women just like how straight men are not sexually attracted to men at all, and lesbians don't have a sexual attraction towards men.

Yes there are closeted/Down Low and in denial bisexual and gay men who have sex with men but consider themselves to be "straight" but just because they identify as "straight" it does not actually mean that they really are hetero/straight since they're closeted or in denial about being gay or bisexual men.

A beautiful femme bisexual female friend of mine tells me how she's had women who think that they're "straight" hit on her when she goes out to bars/clubs but how if these women really were straight/hetero they wouldn't be flirting with her, or finding her sexually attractive like they do at all. Don't go by what you see in straight/"lesbian" porn where all of the "straight" women do each other or all the women being filmed are bisexual on and off the porn set.

If everyone were bisexual then being a man that's bisexual or gay/homosexual would not carry a stigma at all, GLB people (gay, lesbian, and bisexual) would not be second class citizens in many countries and cultures including the United States. Being a bisexual man or a gay man would not be punishable by death, imprisonment, or capital punishment like it still is in some countries if everyone were bisexual.

3-The people who you described in the scenario are bisexual since they're sexually attracted to both genders/sexes, they're not gay or straight/hetero. Just because someone's gay or lesbian that does not mean that they find sexual attraction with everyone of their same gender. If you're bisexual you're not going to see every single man and woman and think "Oh man they're hot I totally wanna do them both at the same time oh and that couple too!!! I'll fuck any hot adult man/woman no matter who they are!"

Who actually puts all the people who they see who they find attractive into percents and ratios constantly?

Gay men can tell if a woman is attractive but that doesn't mean that they want to sleep with them or have any sexual attraction to them at all.

It's like how straight men and women can tell if people of the same sex/gender are attractive but there's not any sexual attraction there at all for them for people of the same sex/gender.

Just because I'm not monosexual it doesn't mean that I want to have sex with or even am attracted to every single person that I see. I'm VERY picky and I've had people who I'm not attracted to flirt with me or proposition me, or we kissed and made out and it didn't do anything at all for me sexually.

4-I'm not sure what you mean by your point in #4. I know bisexual men who call themselves "gay" because they feel as though gay men do not understand bisexuality and it's pointless as coming out as bisexual to these gay men, but then they tell straight people how they are really bisexual since they feel that straight people will understand their sexuality better than some gay men do.

This still does not make them gay/homosexual or mean that they somehow decided to become bisexual men. Some bisexuals consider themselves to be bisexual but more toward the straight or even gay male/lesbian woman side like they have sexual attraction to both genders but lean sexually more toward one gender and only fall in love with the same or opposite gender/sex. This doesn't make them monosexual or gay/lesbian or hetero since if they were monosexual they would only be sexually attracted to one sex/gender.

Again it's not like these people decided that they'd be sexually attracted to both genders/sexes and only want romance/relationships with just one gender while just dating/sleeping with the other one.

Everyone's sexuality is different and it's not something they can control. Yes you can become celibate or if you're a gay man/lesbian woman force yourself to have sex with the opposite gender or same gender if you're straight/hetero and in prison raping men, but it does not make you bisexual.
 
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I repeat, in the undisrupted, healthy hormonal environment, any professed gay man who has high levels of male hormones, and is not attracted to an ovulating, beautiful woman, has serious psychological issues. I reckon you can do case studies and find poor family environments for all these men.

Sexuality is situational and conditional, rather than categorical no matter how much monosexuals want to make everything fit into a dualistic exclusivity.

Given a lack of access to females of breeding age, men turn to other men, and to violence. In prison, men turn towards other men for gratification. A man who never had the slightest attraction to men can go to prison and suddenly becomes 'gay'.

Nature can have some to do with it I am not denying that, but nature plays a major role in human sexuality.
 
I like how you're horrified by labels being applied to you, but someone who doesn't fit neatly into your worldview must have "serious psychological issues."
 
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