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We want our MDA/Speed/MDEA/MDMA mix pills back NOW/MDMA isn't MDMA bollocks

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oinkyoink said:
This whole debate was started because MOP acted as public speaker for many by bringing this debate from PR to BL.

He voiced the opinions of many that these pills 'are not quite right' and residually the argument was blamed on poorly synthesised MDxx.

The debate of MDMA vs MDMA happened.

You, Evad, were his main opponent.

Imagine a new drug user checked BL to 'see whats good' and sees a senior moderator slagging off accusations of others claiming that this new stuff isn't MDMA? He would trust you and take it.
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They would do well to read is what actually being claimed. What I had said is that MDMA is always MDMA which is an absolute fact not that all substances sold as MDMA are MDMA.

With your 'superior' knowledge and experience you should've thought, 'Hey, I know these guys thinking MDMA is not MDMA are wrong, but what are the chances there actually IS something dodgy in these pills which would explain the mixed reception?'

That is your DUTY as a senior moderator. To moderate debates like this to ensure they are indeed possibly reducing harm.
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Again, you misunderstand, I have never said all these new pills are great or safe or anything along those lines. I am not talking about pills when I say MDMA is MDMA, try and understand this please. I am an advocate of testing pills but also against dispelling drug myth and speculation.

I am not trying to patronise you I am merely a humble, inexperienced greenlighter asking you to do your job, and avoid comments such as:

"you are commited to bullshit mate, if there's one thing i can't knock it's your commitment."

A comment aimed at a person who was possibly the first to identify a substance - through SUBJECTIVE experience - that may potentially be harmful.
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it was a jokey comment, taken in the spirit it was intended by the person which it was aimed towards. I can see how it may look from someone who wasn't in on it though.

hopefully you can understand what I have been saying now.
 
MDMAhead said:
Also, GCMS is not used by all testing-labs around the world (although it is used by DDL). The Swiss testing-lab ('Streetwork') uses HPLC to separate substances (rather than GC), and I think the Dutch testing-labs may also use HPLC, which potentially means they can detect substances which DDL can't.
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that's interesting cheers, I need to do some reading on the method :)
 
missing old pills said:
I am now happy with the status quo and just frustrated with the authorities as THEY are the main reason we have trouble with harm reduction.
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This is very true but I think a lot of educated, informed, researching drug users rely on this site with much more trust than they would the authorities anyway.
 
i don't go on here for information. there are a couple of better sources. i'm here for the banter
 
At no point, although people may of thought it was my intention, did I take up this debate to try to put anyone off taking any substances.
All I can go off is my individual experence. The debate was highly charged with people from all over the country talking about their own knowledge and agenda.
I however have steered my views to what I have learnt(as no one knows it all) and what ever I have experienced.
There has been good information,disinformation and just plain argueing for the hell of it but now I'm armed with the facts I need.
As of now there is no 100% proof that the pill/crystal/powder is of a quality I can be sure of.
There is an amount of MDMA involved.
People are at different stages of what they consider good ecstasy(not MDMA) is.
I know who I would listen to and who I would not(we are all different).
When the ball hits the back of the net with me(that's not everyone else) I will make an almighty noise.
I will try to help the younger users as much as I can.
Pray that everyone stays safe this Xmas. MOP
 
Evad said:
that's interesting cheers, I need to do some reading on the method :)
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No worries!

But like I say, it may just be the case that DDL do not have reference data for as many substances as the Swiss/Dutch testing-labs. In particular, there are a lot of RCs (mephedrone, methylone etc etc) that became big in Europe (because of the MDMA-drought), but that never became big in America, and so DDL never had any need to acquire reference data for these substances, whereas the European testing-labs did.

Also bear in mind that DDL is a private company, run for profit. If one of their lab-technicians spends a couple of hours working on a pill, and does not get a conclusive result, they will just give the result as 'unidentified'. Whereas if the same thing happens in the Swiss testing-lab, they will then give the remainder of the pill to another lab, to see if the other lab can identify the contents (they do actually do this!).
 
I am an advocate of testing pills but also against dispelling drug myth and speculation.
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This speculation can only really be dispelled by those who synthesised the batch in question and those who pressed said batch into pills, surely?

Again, you misunderstand, I have never said all these new pills are great or safe or anything along those lines.
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But you assumed that the people arguing for poorly synthed MDMA through subjective experience were in fact actually taking MDMA:1 as a result of 2 or 3 individualised results on edata?

I can see how it may look from someone who wasn't in on it though.
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Like prospective drug-takers looking to this site for advice?



I don't mean to be rude but I don't really see why you're so actively involved in this thread if you are simply arguing MDMA is MDMA is MDMA without suggesting other (harm reducing) reasons for people experiencing non-linear effects that they claim has little/nothing to do with over abuse and/or tolerance?
 
oinkyoink said:
This speculation can only really be dispelled by those who synthesised the batch in question and those who pressed said batch into pills, surely?
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or quantative labtesting



But you assumed that the people arguing for poorly synthed MDMA through subjective experience were in fact actually taking MDMA:1 as a result of 2 or 3 individualised results on edata?
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not at all no, this is the source of your misunderstanding possibly


Like prospective drug-takers looking to this site for advice?
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point taken


I don't mean to be rude but I don't really see why you're so actively involved in this thread if you are simply arguing MDMA is MDMA is MDMA without suggesting other (harm reducing) reasons for people experiencing non-linear effects that they claim has little/nothing to do with over abuse and/or tolerance?
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I have suggested plenty of other reasons mate, you clearly haven't been following this thread from its inception :) information is a big part of harm reduction.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=9077719#post9077719
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=8993208&postcount=104

this thread is purely about the differences between pills mdma from the past and now it is not the current MDMA thread (see regional pill/mdma discussion thread or dangerous pill warning thread for the discussion you may find lacking here)
 
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I have suggested plenty of other reasons mate, you clearly haven't been following this thread from its inception information is a big part of harm reduction.
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I've been following this subject since I P-reported on the 2nd batch (in my area) of diamonds on May 14th and this thread since someone suggested MOP move it here from PR. I made input into that PR.

I do respect you, and your knowledge, I simply think more could be done to listen to (without prejudice) the views of people who thought that their MDMA was 'not quite right' instead of allowing a constant barrage of uninformed rebuttal and abuse (not necessarily from you), especially in light of recent events.
 
Good morning everyone. Still erratic sleep patterns, A bit up and down, grrrr. I cant even be arsed scrolling back and reading half of that tbh right now, I shall check it out later. The Quad, Anistropic, or whatever your calling yourself today, and some of your playmates. I am seriously thinking of starting a new thread specially for you guys. The "im completley cunted off my face on new UK MD**? and very satisified" thread. :)

Lite and friendly banter, fond memories, good times, and some adult polite debate. thats what appears this thread is here for. Ive only been using this site for 5 mins and it hasnt taken me long to work it out already.

if this is what taking chems do on a regular basis, id seriously think about knocking it on the head for a while ;)
 
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dee_dee said:
makes u wonder what u was doing when u was running out every fri-sun treating your body like a random chemistry set withought a care in the world :)
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LOL, there's a certain Melbourne club that doesn't close between Thursday and Sunday. I have friends who have gone in there on a Friday night, and come out on Sunday morning =D
 
MDMAhead said:
LOL, there's a certain Melbourne club that doesn't close between Thursday and Sunday. I have friends who have gone in there on a Friday night, and come out on Sunday morning =D
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lol, sounds like somewhere i know in south london as well, although the local authorities make them close for a few hours in between these days. its still kaos though %)
 
i think the fact that i started this account in jan 2009 and only started posting when i seen all the shite that was being posted here blows your quad theory out the window. i had nothing to post about until now on here because mdma was non existent until recently. i was more interested in rc's, so i used the drugs forum which has quite a lot of information about them.

now on the other hand mop's account was started just to post this shit on here. obvious troll account is obvious.
 
anistropic said:
i think the fact that i started this account in jan 2009 and only started posting when i seen all the shite that was being posted here blows your quad theory out the window. i had nothing to post about until now on here because mdma was non existent until recently. i was more interested in rc's, so i used the drugs forum which has quite a lot of information about them.

now on the other hand mop's account was started just to post this shit on here. obvious troll account is obvious.
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Well, if MOP is A troll then I guess that makes me one too. Im content to live with that title for the moment. :p
 
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