i would say that the tollerance experience i have is almost the same with benzos ..
I think though that it took maybe twice as long to build the tollerance to seroquel to the point now where its like im taken it just out of habbit more than anything but as i already posted in conjunction with my other meds i will sleep fine with the odd day of not getting any sleep at all just the way she blows when yer taken a bazillion pills every day for 15 years..
Been tryin to get my shrink to switch me to valium instead of clonazepams but she seems to think that the clones are better for my anxiety attacks which i will at least agree that they definatly still work for that,i just dont feel them anymore,but i rectum thats not the point anyway im not supposed to be getting buzzed of them its to keep my attacks at bay,i just like valium more
Thanks for the info mate. really big help what you said about seroquel and i can relate to being on clonazapams because i don't even know i'm on a benzo and i know there is 0% chance anxiety attacks and a very very small chance of any anxiety at all.
could you be an clonazzz as required, like taken only as needed,,,, there'd have to be some sort of line to cross as in the number of days you can take it consecutive without and benzo WD symptoms. I'm on it everyday atm but plan to eventually use it as needed as opposed to everyday. i just hope it doesn't fuck with my tolerance.
I think clonazepam has similarity with buprenorphine... similar HL(i'm going to check later) there is ceiling dose with bupreorphine and the saying with bupe is... "more is less" i wonder if applies to clonazepam? i know there's not much difference taking 2mg to taking 10mg. i haven't come across a benzo like this. Temazepam is the closest example, but still thats different because temaze used to rock me nicely. the irony is though i tried and tried to get clonazepam for a year and when i finally got it, as much as it is effective for anxiety, i felt let down. because i tell you 50mg of diazepam would make me feel nice and relaxed and a little heavy, it made me feel recreational, where as say 6mg of clonazepam has been barely noticeable.... by itself... its probably not a good example because i'm on suboxone and i think they have a bond and synergise nice. but i would kill for a bottle of diazepam right now, just hope the clonazepam hasn't raped my tolerance.
I don't feel like it has and i can jump down to 6mg a day with no discomfort at all
if you can be bothered slowpoke, what do you think about the best way to dose clonazepam? and how much experience have you had with seroquel?
sleep doesn't happen when you're sitting at your computer. you need to lay down in bed, lights off and try to sleep without any outside distractions ie - computer and internet, television, music, etc. how's your sleep hygeine usually?
clonazepam is primarily scripted for it's anti-convulsant, muscle relaxing and anxioluytic properties, not for sleeping issues. the hypnotic benzos cover that.
Oh mate. my sleep history lies very far back. at the age of 15 before i was taking drugs, ive always found it hard to get to sleep. when i can't sleep, which for whatever reason, i just lie in bed tossing and turning and feel frustrated. i know its a state of mind, but drugs fucked it up x100 and my brain is used to the type of sleep hygiene which can only be described as very poor. for the last 3 years i would have at least 3 nights a week where i'd stay up till 6-7 in the morning and once a week i would miss a sleep altogether in an attempt to straighten out me sleep cycle, but what would end up happening is that i would keep taking opiates benzo's and wee to keep me awake and before i know it it;s midnight and i'm still not in bed. or iim in bed but can't get to sleep.
I know exactly what you're are saying about lights out and in bed, its sound advise and common sense. Believe me, a lot of people tell me the exact same thing,but after 10 + years of a sporadic drug fuelled attempt at a sleep cycle, it's not as simple as that. I've thought about moving my computer into another room... something i need to talk to a psychiatrist with. i've always wondered about melatonin and if that would help me, but have never tried it. i guess now's as good a time as any.
yeah you're right LW. clonazepam is primarily indicated for epilepsy here in Australia and I've noticed the different prescribing trends compared to the USA. Hasn't lorazepam or clonazepam taken over as the most prescribed benzo's for anxiety related indications in the USA due to the media attention and subsequent stigma can anyone confirm this?
anyway yeah lets just say i was using it for an off label use last night
.... it's quite funny because it's indicated by my GP for anxiety attacks and social anxiety, which the PPS considered off lable
of well, 100 tablets for 4 times the price of 50 valiums is sweet.
LW i was thinking of talking to my GP about a hypnotic for sleep, but it was the 2n'd time i've seen him and i just mentioned it as a slight problem and he said well there's only Z-drugs... i quickly waved that away and said i have adverse effects from them, and he ended up saying... you're already on clonazepam... and then i said but i don't want to be tempted into taking it for sleep..... and it sort of ended there... i think i should earn his trust a bit more, or see a psychiatrist.... only thing is that i might see a psych and if i tell him i'm taking clonaz he might want me off it. i've never been in that situation before, but could imagining it happening, or i could just come out and talk about sleep issues for an hour and aim for a nice hypnotic
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Anyway, for the essence of the thread, i went to bed before reading the 2 posts i quoted and probably took 15 minutes to fall sound asleep. that would of been at around 1AM after taking it all at 11 i think. well i woke up pretty out of it but i had my morning dose of bupe which was 1mg IV and 4mg of clonaz, jumped in the shower and went all the way to the other side of the city on public transport feeling fine,,, a slight sense of drowsiness and was loosing my focus a lot at the NA meeting until i had my second coffee. it's 9.30pm and i feel fine and i haven't had any more clonazepam as i'm back to 6mg a day. I'm going to aim for 4mg of clonaz a day and 2mg of bupe a day. because i've now had seroquel 3 nites in a row i'm going to take 50mg tonight and then not use it again for a while. I might suggest it to my GP and say seroquel is often indicated off label for insomnia... and see what he says... would be funny to hear considering he said there's only Z drugs lol does this guy think i was born yesterday
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