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A Good Starter Psychedelic

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Growing tired of playing with pure depressants and stimulants, I'm becoming more and more restless and yearning to try psychedelics again.
I've done them twice in my life, both 2c-i and both in (accidental[ish]) large quantities (50mg and 160mg) both causing horrific experiences and one causing me to goto the ER.

I'm wondering what psychedelic you would suggest to me to start on. Something not as in-depth (psyche-wise), a bit dose-forgiving, and not lasting more than 10 hours.

I'd really like to get back on a good foot with this side of the drug world, any suggestions?

PS... the less nausea the better. And LSD, mushrooms, and mescaline are kind of out of the question for me. RCs only...
 
i know you said LSD is out of the question buutttttttt that is really the only psychadelic i could imagine starting on. 2 tabs is not nearly as intense as people make it out to be
 
frusty noggets said:
i know you said LSD is out of the question buutttttttt that is really the only psychadelic i could imagine starting on. 2 tabs is not nearly as intense as people make it out to be
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That all depends on your location and how strong the tabs are. 1 tab is easily enough for a decent trip if you know the right people. Ive seen people flip out on 2 tabs and end up in hospital.

But I do agree with trying LSD, just start at a low dose.
 
Reason i say no LSD (and others) is because i don't have the slightest idea where to obtain them... edit: I've heard it can be a very pleasant psychedelic, very "happy-go-lucky" of the psychedelics as long as it's clean acid. I'd certainly try it if i could obtain some.

But i will read up on 4-AcO-DMT. I have access to almost all RCs (thanks interwebs)

Any other suggestions?
 
nearjat said:
I'd say LSD...

Or 4-AcO-DMT if you have access. It's not hard to get access anymore :P
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Just looked it up. I can get it, but i don't see any information covering the substance on erowid. What's the dosage, duration, and usual side-effects (body-load, headspace, etc)?

From the little i've read it seems like 10-20mg is a normal dose... is that correct?
makes me a bit nervous, eye-balling that low amount...
 
DON'T eyeball haha. Especially with a past of accidental OD's on similarly potent chems.

You can get a decent milligram scale (like the Gemini) on amazon for like 30 bucks. Not insanely accurate but gets the job done for stuff like this.

Basically 4-Aco-DMT is theorized to metabolize into psilocin (one of the actives in shroooooms). It's the mellowest trip I've ever taken, very little mind fuck- but just enough mind expansion if that makes sense. Lasts like 5-8 hours in my experience. I've had no unpleasant side effects what-so-ever. It's great, I don't know why I haven't ordered more yet.
 
4-HO-MET.

Virtually no effect on the mind but very visual, euphoric, no body load whatsoever at any dose I've used it at, and it peaks for 4-8 hours but is mostly done by the 10th hour.

4-AcO-DMT I can't even handle and I've had ... shit, 300+ trips not including DXM and ecstasy/MDA/MDMA usage.
 
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4-HO-MET.

Virtually no effect on the mind but very visual, euphoric, no body load whatsoever at any dose I've used it at, and it peaks for 4-8 hours but is mostly done by the 10th hour.

4-AcO-DMT I can't even handle and I've had ... shit, 300+ trips not including DXM and ecstasy/MDA/MDMA usage.
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5-HO-MET... even more obscure. Having a bit of trouble finding the dosages...

And now it begins... one person says 4-AcO-DMT is perfect, the other says they can't possibly handle it. Hmm... I think i'll give this thread some time for feedback before i make a final decision.

Seems, though, that tryptamines are what everyone is suggesting. I guess PEAs are just far too intense?

I loved the energy of 2c-i (i felt like a child again), just the dosage was all wrong and the level of insight it gave me was too fast and overwhelmingly intense. Couldn't close my eyes to escape the madness i bore witness to around my room, the CEVs just opened up a whole new can of psychological whoop-ass.
Unfortunately i'm scared shitless to try it again, i developed PTSD because of the 160mg trip according to my doctor... Managed to overcome that over the past 1-2 years.
 
Yeah its takes some work to find the psychedelic that works right for you :) Not to suggest it will only be one. I suggested 4-AcO-DMT because the vast majority of people I've talked to about it agree that it's very easy going. (but you can dose higher and really go to sppaaaaaceeee)
 
5-HO-MET seems interesting, though not readily available to me (however, i'm sure with enough digging it will be).
However, with 4-AcO-DMT i do have instant access to it, i read one trip report on it (guy took 46mg i believe) and freaked out horribly, from what he mentioned he wanted to "rip his eyes out". I think if i do obtain some i will be using 8-10mg the first time around.

I'm still skeptical though, hoping for more feedback from you on the 4-AcO-DMT and feedback from the rest of the community on their opinion of a good starter psychedelic.
 
4-HO-MET has plenty of information on it and its plenty easy to find to boot.

You're looking for 5-HO-MET instead of 4-HO-MET ;)

Anyway, I did not like 4-AcO-DMT. It was way too intense for me and it elicited a strong anxious response in me all 5 times I have tried it that even valium didn't relieve.

4-HO-MET is quite literally smooth sailing. You take it and then 15 minutes later it slams into you like a freight train.

If you want to go for a decent experience, 15mg of 4-HO-MET will give you a nice glimpse without going too far down the rabbit hole. 20+mg will send you on a psychedelic trip of epically colorful proportions but even with 30mg, there was never any of that psychedelic fear there because it has little to no head trip.

I don't ever recommend phens for a first time because they are too variable. I hated the stimulation from them too. 2C-C and 2C-D could be good for first timers but they tend to need high doses (40+mg to get anywhere interesting) and they aren't as colorful as the tryptamines. 2C-E I would not recommend for a first timer (although I gave it to a first-timer and he had a blast watching Shakira come out of the poster and eating sour gummy ants that were falling off the ceiling) and most phens have too high of a body load (particularly nausea, vomiting, stimulation)

4-HO-MET feels more natural than shrooms to me. My body has no negative reaction to it whatsoever and that seems to be the general consensus. I have heard of gross overdoses of 4-HO-MET (75mg+) that didn't result in disasters - phens aren't that forgiving and I can assure you that any other 4-sub tryptamine at that dose would not be either. Forget about DPT, 5-MeO-DMT, 5-MeO-DiPT, or just about any other tryptamine, as far as forgiveness, except AMT but a lot of people get nausea and vomiting from that one (although ironically I have only gotten it on too low a dose or too high of a dose and none of the friends I ever gave it to got sick from it).

Based on all of the options, I would say 4-HO-MET.

Also, 4-AcO-DMT has a tendency to make one EXTREMELY tired... 4-HO-MET is energy neutral. Phens are generally energy positive (with the exception being 2C-T-2, which tends to be sedating), sometimes overly so.
 
I agree with 4-aco-dmt, although I would have also suggested 2ci had you not mentioned it as bad (but just because you took too much).

I introduced 2 (females) to psychedelics (well they already had toked before meeting me), one of them to 2ci 16mg (always enjoyable at that dose especially to the ladies), and more recently which I wrote a trip report on here, 4-aco-dmt. i think i gave her 15mg and she enjoyed it but had wished it was a tad stronger. but the next time, 16mg 2ci was perfect for her.

seems like 8-10mg is a good 'allergy test' type dose to make sure you don't have a reaction; don't expect to trip much. I still haven't got to where I want to go out of 3 trips: something like 15, 18 and 22mg. 25mg is next on my todo list. and i consider myself a lightweight, but lots of experience.

4-aco-dmt was more mind-trippy (in good ways but did get some anxiety on comeup) and closed eye visual/imagination oriented. 2ci was more stimulating but fun-feeling and open eyed visual oriented.

I'd reconsider 2ci. you took way too high of a dose; what the hell do you mean accidentalish? i bet some here are hesitant to give you advice based on that. do you think if you didn't go to the hospital you'd have been ok? at least it reinforces 2ci's high margin of safety. unlike say bromoDfly or 2ct7.

i never heard of 5-ho-met, its 4-ho-met MK777 mentioned, and its on my list of next 2 RCs to try.
 
Basically there are a lot of psychedelics out there, and it'd be easier to tell you which ones to avoid specifically because everyone reacts differently.

MKat, clearly you really enjoy 4-HO-MET but none of that information is any more helpful than any of the stuff I have to say about 4-Aco-DMT. Because if I just changed 4-HO-MET to 4-AcO-DMT in that whole post it would totally reflect my views on the substance.

Also, these threads are technically not allowed. (No "What should I take?" threads)
 
Heh, yeah... my mistake on the 5.

Argh, i'm growing very interested in 4-HO-MET and none of my vendors have a supply of it yet. It sounds like a fantastic option.
In retrospect i agree with you Magickalkat777, maybe a PEA would be a poor choice to re-enter the psych-world as the energy combined with the intense shift in consciousness may be too much for me. Neutral energy and "smooth sailing"... sounds nice. Nothing too rough to scare me off of psychedelics for another 2 years.

I'm just going to throw my cards on the table, here's what i'm able to get for myself (please no PMs for sourcing).
From tryptamines i am able to obtain:
DPT
4-HO-DiPT
4-HO-MiPT
4-AcO-MiPT
4-acetoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine fumarate (4-AcO-DMT i presume?)
4-Acetoxy-DIPT
5-MeO-DMT

PEAs:
2c-e
2c-d
2c-t-2
2c-t-7
25C-Nbome (and no way i'll touch this stuff)
I won't mention the cathinones as none of them are psychedelic in any true sense (that i've got).

So any suggestions from that listing?

In the mean time i will hunt down a solid source for 4-HO-MET if it takes all day!
 
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I'd reconsider 2ci. you took way too high of a dose; what the hell do you mean accidentalish? i bet some here are hesitant to give you advice based on that. do you think if you didn't go to the hospital you'd have been ok? at least it reinforces 2ci's high margin of safety. unlike say bromoDfly or 2ct7.

i never heard of 5-ho-met, its 4-ho-met MK777 mentioned, and its on my list of next 2 RCs to try.
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Accidental first time was 50mg, i intended on taking 2c-i that evening, however i took about 25mg, waited an 30 minutes and assumed it was bunk so took another 25mg. Kicked in after i parachuted that second 25mg...

The real accident was when i took 150-180mg (somewhere around there). I had mixed my bags up and thought i took 150-180mg of MDMA... freaked out at first thinking i took that much quantity of 2c-t-7, on the way to the hospital realized it was 2c-i... still freaked out to proportions beyond anything i could ever conceive.

nearjat said:
Basically there are a lot of psychedelics out there, and it'd be easier to tell you which ones to avoid specifically because everyone reacts differently.

MKat, clearly you really enjoy 4-HO-MET but none of that information is any more helpful than any of the stuff I have to say about 4-Aco-DMT. Because if I just changed 4-HO-MET to 4-AcO-DMT in that whole post it would totally reflect my views on the substance.

Also, these threads are technically not allowed. (No "What should I take?" threads)
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magicalkat777 seems pretty adamant on proving the substances worth and i've also been reading some trip reports while reading these posts. It does seem like a promising substance for my re-entry...

And yeah, sorry about the whole "What should i take" bit. The way i see it though, is i'm trying to perform harm reduction on the ol' noggin. I'm not just saying "Should i try cocaine?" I'm looking for a specific substance based on the opinions community that they think will best suit my purposes and show me the good in psychedelics. :)
I've done damn near every drug, psychedelics always seemed like playing with fire to me. However, the overwhelming support of this community on the group just shows me how much I'm missing and the potential good it can do... like getting me off opiates.
 
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There hasn't been a single person I've given 4-HO-MET to that didn't enjoy it immensely nor a single person that had any serious freak outs with it that I'm aware of - that can't be said of 4-AcO-DMT. That said, I stick with my assessment that 4-HO-MET is the way to go.

The particularly annoying effect, besides the anxiety, and I thought it was just me - with 4-AcO-DMT, the damn ringing in the ears.
 
One of the lighter 2C's....I would say 2C-C, or otherwise 2C-D. Can't recommend any of the other PEAs you listed.
A light dose of one of the psilocin analogs also sounds good.
 
I think 2C-D meets all of your criteria. It didn't strike me as too deep, but still plenty visual and fun. Dose-response curve is rather gradual, and I couldn't imagine not being able to sleep at T+10h.

As a rule, 2Cs are generally more forgiving (with the exception of 2C-E, 2C-I for some people, and the 2C-Ts), but I don't doubt that there are substituted tryptamines that can also be rather light (as with 4-HO-MET, but I can't corroborate this since I have not tried it myself).
 
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