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last question on 2ci --is plugging really the way to go?

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Ok I followed some advise and made the mixture in a 50% vodka solution and sterile water. It is now sealed in a 50ml sterile iv bag.
Now the concentration is 5mg/ml.
Is plugging really the best way to go. Will it have more or less of an effect. Im gonna start out with 15mg. Does that seem high for the plugging method??? Thanks...
 
I am totally freaked that everyone is always wanting to do things by method other than just eating them.

WHY WHY WHY???

I would seriously advise against it. Snorting 2C compounds results in excessively rapid absorption and is is VERY tough on the heart. So plugging is very likely to have the same dangers if not worse.

And some find 15mg orally overwhelming, so snorting or plugging that much could well give you a heart attack. It's handle-able by mouth... many find other ROIs WAAAAAY overpowered.

It works great at 20-25mg orally. But if its your first time you definitely ought to start at 15mg, as sensitivities vary. Just do it like that and quit shooting stuff up your rear. Absorb things the way the body prefers to and is designed to absorb things, through the stomach/intestines. This really protects you, IMO.

What the hell is wrong with that? I just dont get it. Some sort of weird obsession with being "fringe" I guess.
 
BECAUSEBECAUSEBECAUSE: (mr hoover)
well, at least for me and quite a few others plugging shortens comeup-bullshit (imo good enough reason to plug it), reduces the dose and seems to give the trip more "clarity" and less body load.


15mg is pretty high for a first timer though. not that it would be necessarily uncomfortable or even dangerous but on that dose I would hardly function in a social environment...
 
johannes kreisler said:
BECAUSEBECAUSEBECAUSE: (mr hoover)
well, at least for me and quite a few others plugging shortens comeup-bullshit (imo good enough reason to plug it), reduces the dose and seems to give the trip more "clarity" and less body load.
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More clarity and less bodyload are decent reasons. But what is "comeup-bullshit"?

Impatience? If you mean nausea, I can see wanting to avoid that.

But with a phenethylamine, plugging is NOT going to reduce cardiovascular dangers/body-load!!! Amphetamine-type phens will have the same or WORSE impact on heart rate, blood pressure, vasoconstriction NO MATTER THE TOTAL DOSE when taken via plugging or snorting.

The reason is a much steeper slope to the level of concentration in the bloodstream, no matter the eventual peak. When the absorption is that rapid and the concentration in the blood goes up that fast, the body is unable to make compensatory/protective internal adjustments via hormone system and other signals that it can when taken by mouth.

So no matter what the dose, that is why 2C compounds are far more dangerous to cardiovascular system no matter what the total dose when snorted or plugged, and why these ROIs are always strongly advised AGAINST.

And 15 is a perfect oral first try dose. I would counsel that is FAR too high to try for the first time plugging or snorting.

And given your body has never been exposed to it before, plugging is very foolish for your first time. ESPECIALLY at that dose. PLEASE just take the 15mg oral for your first time just to assess how your particular system responds to this particular molecule... there are some people who are for totally unknown reasons hypersensitive to it. It would be a shame to find that out from the back of an ambulance rushing for the ER.

Why the hurry to peak? You will have plenty of other chances after you determine if your system "likes" it in general. Best at first to use tried and true methods that you can compare your reaction against 99% of the published reports. THEN cautiously experiment with alternative ROIs.
 
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Plugging any 2c-x is much better than oral and infinitely better than intranasal. I'd start at 10mg which would roughly be equivalent to 20 - 25mg.

@Hoover, there are many reasons to plug the 2c family of drugs:
-reduced come up time
-less nausea/body load
-less substance required (more cost effective)
-kicks in more quickly
-lower doses are more effective


I found 2c-e and 2c-c to have less negative effects than the oral route. 17mg of 2c-c rectally administered produced a very nice effect that would have taken at least 40 - 50mg orally to reach the same level. With 2c-e I had gotten over the nausea within 15 minutes, whereas the oral route would have consisted of 2 hours of nausea and uncomfortable body load. Plugging the 2c-x's are the way to go.
 
I never get any nausea via oral route. Stimulant rush is over in about 90 minutes. Godzilla, know that those advising plugging are the outlyers... the vast majority of the community you will find agrees that it is NOT "the way to go" and will advise you dose orally, at least for your first try.

I cannot imagine that mental effects similar to 40-50mg orally (HUGE OD! PLEASE NO ONE TRY THAT MUCH ORAL BASED ON THIS REMARK!) would not be accompanied by severe and rapid and VERY stressful and dangerous increases in heartrate.

Anyway, my advice was intended for the first poster, who is doing it for his first time... obviously you guys had your period of cautious experimentation.

It think it unwise to suggest someone trying a HIGHLY stimulating phen to plug it for their first time no matter the dose. I have had a huge amount of experience with 2C-I... probably a hundred or more total uses over 10 years.

But if he insists on plugging it, yea I agree, 10mg should absolutely be the top limit, but again I strongly recommend first try be oral.
 
Thank you so much for all of the advise. That's why I posted... harm reduction.
So ill take your advise and only do 10 mg orally. Can I redose if I think that I am safe.
What time after the initial dose is it ok to repose.
Pss just fyi this is my first time with a 2ci. But I've taken lsd mdma shrooms ect and have never had a bad time. I usually aim for a nice fun dose...
 
If you have never been exposed to a hallucinogen, extreme measures of research should be taken, with great respect and caution in each action taken. The 2C family is filled with wonderful experiences that never get old. However, plugging or snorting your first time could ensure you never try them again, even orally. This class of phenethylamines is quite extraordinary and should not be toyed with so lightly. I would strongly suggest an oral dosage as 15mgs is almost always ideal for anyone's first time regardless of psychedelic nature or background, big or small. However, snorting or plugging 15mgs, even for someone with great psychedelic history and strength, could be a dangerous slope that many don't want to push themselves to. At 15mgs, snorting or plugging 2C-I would easily be equivalent to 35-40mgs+ 2C-I orally. I've taken 35mgs orally and it was amazing. Comparable to taking three hits of sunshine. But still a very rickety slope. I've also snorted 15mgs of 2C-I, 2C-E, and 2C-P, all very intense and extremely hard to cope with. It takes immense preparation yet, there is no preparation as you will be tripping for two hours before you first realize you're tripping. Where you mind is then, you won't know and can't control. You can only cope with the situation and realize you're tripping. I can only imagine this feeling is stronger and possibly more painful when plugging.

Godzilla said:
Thank you so much for all of the advise. That's why I posted... harm reduction.
So ill take your advise and only do 10 mg orally. Can I redose if I think that I am safe.
What time after the initial dose is it ok to repose.
Pss just fyi this is my first time with a 2ci. But I've taken lsd mdma shrooms ect and have never had a bad time. I usually aim for a nice fun dose...
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Good choice, my friend. When you have orally taken 2C-I three or four times and been comfortable with a 30mg+ hit, then I might give you consideration towards snorting or plugging. But that would have to be after getting to know you and your comfortability with psychedelics. You can redose at anytime. Honestly, it doesn't matter. I'd say drop 15mgs and you won't want to redose but instead, you will be enlightened and satisfied.
 
Dude, wait, wtf are you people talking about?
We ALL snorted it our first time (five people, at least 2 of them complete psychedelic-naive individuals). We eyeballed our doses, and they were invariably larger than 30mg, and EVERYBODY loved it. Even my heart didn't have anything to say about it. I found it to be better than the euphoria and sexuality of MDMA (made me horny, as well as my friend's girlfriend), with visuals that rivaled that of LSD, without causing me to degrade into a depressed mess when it wore off (as acid does every time).
Needless to say, I LOVE 2C-I. The pain in my face was EXCRUCIATING and we ended up snorting water at some point, after allowing enough time for absorption to take place of course, but that was the only problem.
I'm thinking of plugging it next time in some distilled water to avoid that pain.
However, a friend had taken an oral dose, and wasn't tripping NEARLY as hard as the rest of us, so I said, you know, "He's going to have to do what we did to get on our level."
So he snorted some.
And we laughed at the pain in his face, because we all experienced it.
But I don't see what your guys' issue is with snorting or plugging it. My heart didn't speed up in the least, and I felt so much less stimulation than MDMA provides.

Maybe it's just me, and everyone I gave it to (people who have never done a hallucinogen in their ENTIRE LIFE), but even though the Erowid dosage scale says 30+ mg is a "heavy" dose, we wouldn't even want to consume less.
 
I imagine your speculation on the alleged cardiotoxicity is founded on the belief that the 2C's are structurally similar to amphetamines, but they're actually a lot closer to mescaline in structure.

2C-I:
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Mescaline:
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Amphetamine:
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Phenethylamine:
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Somebody explain what makes 2C-I so dangerous to snort or plug? Because it didn't cause any discomfort for anyone who tested the substance (besides the pain in our fucking noses), and my heart rate was completely normal the entire time, even directly following an intranasal dose.
I found this entheogen/hallucinogen to be much kinder, gentler, and smoother than a normal dose of ANY other substance with similar effect, regardless of whether it is organic or inorganic. A comparable dose of MDMA (if this is even possible) would have my heart rate and body temperature elevated to uncomfortable levels.

Edit: And 10mg is tiny. My very first bio-assay of the substance was definitely ~50mg. Eyeballed doses, estimated to be of similar size to my first, are what everyone else consumed as well.
All in all, great night. As stated before, the one person who took an oral dose felt the need to insufflate a similar amount to what he had already consumed.
If you've done hallucinogens and/or ecstasy before, then you'll love this, and it will most likely completely replace ecstasy in your life.
I definitely recommend a larger dose than 10mg if you want your carpet to change colors.
 
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Final question. I'm hoping somebody has answers for me.

If one WERE to plug 2c-i, how would one go about doing so? Will distilled water actually do the trick or no? I'm not trying to plug alcohol. Already did that for like a week. Dissolved drugs into gin and plugged them.
Last one I plugged was methadone dissolved in gin, and incidentally went to the hospital the next night with extreme pain and bleeding...
Somebody else who plugged gin on its own experienced bleeding as well, leading me to believe it was the alcohol causing most of the damage, with methadone probably being quite caustic as well...
 
If it's your first time? I'd go oral, and 15 mg is a dandy dose (you don't know how you'll respond a priori). If you experience gi discomfort, plugging 2cs is dandy (optimal for some).

ebola
 
Ok I followed some advise and made the mixture in a 50% vodka solution and sterile water.
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Also, OH GOD NO! You will experience searing pain, irritation, and inflammation. When plugging, opt for saline as your solvent.

ebola
 
I'm still not understanding the person who claims this drug is cardiotoxic.
After speaking with everyone who snorted it, they confirm that there was NO effect on heart rate or blood pressure.
The only discomfort was the searing pain in our faces.
 
I'm with ebola, alcohol solution probably isn't the best way to go. IIRC one of the advantages of alcohol solution is that not only is it usually quite stable but it increases oral bioavailability, so using it for plugging would be pointless and cause unnecessary discomfort.

Pothedd, I don't think there should be any problems at lower doses, but due to the stimulating nature of 2C-I, I'd be wary about taking it too often or in very large doses as the potential for cardiotoxicity is definitely there.
 
Dwayne has a ridiculous problem with understanding that some people might have actually have problems with oral dosing or might actually prefer qualitative aspects of rectal dosing of psychedelics over oral for some reason, it's the kind of close-mindedness I'd expect from Ismene 8)

Some of the numerous benefits of plugging phenethylamines that people enjoy:

1. Reduced come up nausea
2. Reduced come up time (in case nausea is impossible to avoid)
3. More intense experience
4. More efficient conservation of materials given lower required dose
 
Jesusgreen said:
I'm with ebola, alcohol solution probably isn't the best way to go. IIRC one of the advantages of alcohol solution is that not only is it usually quite stable but it increases oral bioavailability, so using it for plugging would be pointless and cause unnecessary discomfort.

Pothedd, I don't think there should be any problems at lower doses, but due to the stimulating nature of 2C-I, I'd be wary about taking it too often or in very large doses as the potential for cardiotoxicity is definitely there.
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That's very interesting, because we all took a fairly high dose. Since our doses were eyeballed I imagine they were well over the "heavy" dose range, yet there wasn't the slightest increase in heart rate...
 
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