Heroin Speedball ODed and looking for info

[NemBL]

About two weeks ago I was pretty drunk and got some coke. Banged a couple shots of coke and was feeling pretty good. Picked up some tar and decided to speedball. Did a mediocre shot of coke mixed with a mediocre shot of tar. I did the shot, didn't even feel the rush then woke up in the ambulance. A buddy found me started CPR on me until the ambulance got there. They gave me narcan and I woke up confused as all hell to what happened. Ended up with pneumonia from inhaling vomit. Not my finest moment.

I have done bigger shots of heroin while drunk and was just fine. I have done way bigger shots of coke while drunk and been just fine. I have done about the same speedball without the alcohol and been just fine. Was the mixture of all three the deadly cocktail or was the dope stronger than normal and that did it?

Basically I am trying to figure out why this happened so it can never fucking happen again. I love getting high, and I try to do it responsibly where I won't kill myself or get a habit. And I also really want to use again but I won't until I understand exactly why this happened. There are acceptable risks to using that I try to minimize but death isn't one of those acceptable risks. This is where I am looking towards the wisdom of you BL folks, what happened.

 

[SkagKush]

for sure the combo of the three man,

its hard to tell how drunk you actually were when you start getting fucked up..............

 

[Jabberwocky]

well without knowing any dosing information, known purity levels of the drugs and you tolerance, i'm going to wager on it being all 3 combined.

all 3 drugs can cause overdosing, so mixing all 3 together is only tripling your chances.

it's also wise to do a tiny test shot of the heroin you get before going gung-ho on it. as well with the coke.

we don't usually allow these kind of speculative threads but i'll leave it up for a bit.

are you aware of how each drug works? and what they're doing to your body in combination?

 

[Nortyy]

A speedball is very dangerous in the first place and then add in the variable that your using drugs which are notorius for high flucuations of potency and your just asking for a lethal OD.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

If you say you want to use responsibly, don't get shitfaced before injecting yourself with drugs of undetermined potency.

The alcohol greatly affects your judgment and even a relatively small error in judgement while prepping a speedball shot can make the difference between a great time and ending your time, as you've learned.

If you're sincere about not using again until you know exactly what happened, I suppose you're never going to use again because there's no way to determine *exactly* what caused what happened to you.

 

[logie]

Made the same mistake.. OD'd and was in a coma for weeks, had 2% chance of living.. Blah blah.. Though my mistake was

Fentanyl - smoked/ate

then apparently the rest I didnt recall doing (was probably far too gone even from the fent)

Blow
Xanax
Alcohol

Needless to say.. OD'd.

So strong opiate + blow + alcohol can definitely do it easily.

 

[NemBL]

are you aware of how each drug works? and what they're doing to your body in combination?

I have a general idea of what each drug does on it's own but I don't know of any effects that are caused by the combination. I guess I should clarify better what I am trying to learn here.

Why exactly is a speedball more likely to make you OD than just doing the same amount of coke or heroin seperately? Stress on the heart I get but I didn't have a heart attack, it was a respiratory issue. Why would that effect your breathing more than just heroin?

 

[luxurious beagle]

A speedball is more dangerous than doing either coke or heroin separately not only because of the stress you put on your heart from pulling it in both directions, but also because the coke allows you to do more heroin than you could normally do and when it wears off that heroin is going to knock you out.

My guess is that you put more tar in than you think because you were already messed up and when the coke wore off (the coke from the speedball and from the shots you already had) the tar took you out. It was either more pure than you thought or you put more in. And as was already mentioned, the combination of all three really triples your chance of leaving this world.

If you want to minimize harm to yourself dont do speedballs. Test your gear in small amounts first. Really dont do any of this at all. You don't know what you are INJECTING into your body.

Good luck in the future and I'm glad you are still here to tell the tale. Just be safe - thinking about what you do for an extra minute really helps.

 

[adder]

Ethanol has an effect on your breathing as well, it's a depressant but actually a dirty one with various actions once in your body. Cocaine is a stimulant, actually doing even those too is dangerous. Beside the fact it's hard on your heart, ethanol has an impact on cocaine metabolism making it metabolized to an active chemical that is according to some studies more cardiotoxic than cocaine itself. Now this combined with heroin really is a deadly mixture. Heroin makes your body slow down and cocaine does the opposite, this doesn't apply only to heart rate, blood pressure, or anything connected with circulatory system. The same thing happens to breathing - cocaine being a stimulant makes you inhale more air, heroin (or rather its active metabolites but it's not important here) does the opposite by slowing breathing (respiratory depression). You can get spasms because of it or symptoms of asthma. Also, both drugs separately may have adverse effects on heart like infraction or inflection of valves.

So processes in your body are at the same time speeded up and slowed down generally. It's in no way healthy, it actually makes impossible for your body to keep some homeostasis.

 

[JamtasticX]

Right off the bat, the coke + alcohol.

Personally, coke, or adderall, or any other amphetamine makes me drink like a fish, and not get "drunk" or nearly as drunk as I normally would. If I would typically be wrecked after 3 beers, I could be comfortable after 9. Simply because I feel different, doesn't mean my BAC isn't through the roof.

A large amount of alcohol combined with a shot of heroin, could easily leave you od'ing,.

 

[Oxymorphone]

There are acceptable risks to using that I try to minimize but death isn't one of those acceptable risks.

Death is always a risk with these substances no matter how careful you are. 1 in 50 heroin users die every year, I don't know the stat for coke off the top of my head but it has to be way higher for IV coke especially, and that's forgetting about levamisole.

If you don't want to take the risk of dying don't use again. If you touch any 'real' drug you are playing with death, plain and simple. I am one of the most careful HR responsible people out there and learned this the hard way. You and I were lucky enough to be revived, don't kid yourself this time around and for fucks sake stop IVing coke if you insist on using either of these drugs anymore, let alone combine them with alcohol and heroin; you had it coming.

Also, you say you don't want to form a habit. Good luck to you but all signs point to the fact that you already have one. Normal people don't shoot speedballs, overdose and end up in the hospital, then look to see how they can do it again. You are an addict, welcome to the club.

I know you will probably get defensive here and normally I don't come down so hard on people but we both just died, it's time to face reality.

 

[Fight Club]

Also, you say you don't want to form a habit. Good luck to you but all signs point to the fact that you already have one. Normal people don't shoot speedballs, overdose and end up in the hospital, then look to see how they can do it again. You are an addict, welcome to the club.

+1. Great advice from everyone above.

FC

 

[SkagKush]

oxymorphone sounds right to me...............

 

[muvolution]

correct me if this logic is flawed, but if you are doing 3 different substances that people commonly OD from and combining them, wouldn't your chances of OD'ing be 3x2x1= 6x greater than taking one of the substances alone?

 

[homeydontplaythat]

speedballs kill you quick dude. adding booze or a benzo will seal it even quicker. i know what you mean though. ive done speeballs of not even anything more than a nick of crack and a dime of H and BOONM, wake up being kicked on the bathroom floor in a hotel restroom. not my finest moment either.

 

[ferrita]

Terrific advice from everyone above. I ODd earlier this year. Verybsvay 35 year drug user. I was on morphine and norcos through pain management and I. Got stupid and decided to do some diluadid and added in some xanax. Don't remember how much I did but it was a retared fucking amount and a totally ridiculously thing to do. My son fpunf me nodded out non responsive blood coming pout of my nose and mouth 911d it. Woke up in icu with tubed down my throat central lines in my neck other equipment inside me catherters and such. It blew. In retrospect I asked for it. I thought after 35 yrs of drug use I was slicker then the druggs.

I ended up with pneumonia as a result of respiratory depression. They said combo of xanax and opiates were the cause. I have spent 8 months recovering from all the physical after effects of that od. Hospitalized 4 times 8 months with respiratpry issues. It has taken months to beat pneunonia. All due to that night.

I'm lucky to be alive and so are you. Don't push it.

 

[edarrin]

Why exactly is a speedball more likely to make you OD than just doing the same amount of coke or heroin seperately?

They act synergenistically (sp?). 1 & 1 = 3. It is an art and not something you can just magically do right away. Start low and work up until you find what your tolerance is. You can always do more but you can't do less once it's in.

 

[Never_Sober]

You can always do more but you can't do less once it's in.

That quote has probably saved my life more times than I know, I like to take things as far as possible till one of my friends OD'ed in a car on the way back from Detroit and our other so called "friends" dumped him in a fast food resteraunt and left him there on the floor, BE SAFE!

 

[NemBL]

Thanks for the input guys, and I definitely won't be doing that cocktail again. I was incredibly lucky that my buddies had the sense to start CPR promptly and call an ambulance.

Just to respond to a couple things.

No I won't get defensive about anything posted here. And yes I do know that I am an addict, I think about drinking or using daily, I meant a physical addiction habit. I fight the urge to drink or get high every single day and it's actually gotten easier over the years to keep it to twice a month with 'real' drugs and once a week drinking.

Honestly I'm not sure where I am going to go from here with my habits. I haven't touched a drink or anything since then and I can honestly say this is the longest I've been sober in many years. I've pretty much had getting lit to a schedule.

A plus I guess is that I have learned from it and hopefully someone else reads this and avoids my same mistake. And for reference in case someone thinks that it was a huge amount that did it and they'd be fine with a smaller amount, I had 6 drinks over 3 hours, 2 shots of coke over 1.5 hours each about 0.1g then a speedball of 0.1g coke and $10 of tar (don't know the weight) and I have done 2-3 times that much individually before in the past.

 

[muvolution]

small amounts can synergize as has been said before...

also, no prices on BL, so try to guess the amount of Tar you did, or simply put it in terms of "1 bag" or something like that.