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Questions about LSD and how certain executions work

lightlord99 said:
You will have a bad trip someday. I promise. And it'll be worse than you'd ever imagine. It's not "oh I don't like this"; it's more like (borrowing an album title) the terror of cosmic loneliness w/ a side of extreme paranoia that feels like your brain is being raped (literally: I can't explain it), your friends are plotting against you and you will also worry you will never feel sane again.

Respect the drug. It's not a toy. We all find that out with experience. <3
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What a downer you are bro. It's posts like this why it took me so long to ever try halluconogens in the first place. Always reading about bad trips ect. I don't think I can have a bad trip if I survived those above set and settings, literally the worst set and settings I could imagine minus being arrested or something, but the drug induced bad trip would be the least of my concerns at that point.

It's like bodybuilding. Gotta work thru the pain so u come out a stronger person.
Only halluc's r for mindbuilding. Gotta workthru the pain so u come out stronger.

I'm not arguing u can't have a difficult trip, but I am arguing that if strong willed and strong minded enough, you can always work through this. Indefinately. I have experienced bad set and settings causing difficult trips, u get thru it, and don't dwell on it. Only exception to this rule is if u took some heroic amount but than u r stupid for taking such a large over recreational portion in the first place without waiting to see how less would feel.

Now I understand difficult trips can happen on any halluc, but IME I've noticed salvia is almost guaranteed (so disassociating, as soon as u hit it u forget what u are let alone that u have consumed a substance that is making u feel that way, shrooms r kind of in the middle, and LSD is very clearminded and u may get mindfucked from time to time definately but not dissacocisted to the point u can't remember dosing or who you are.
 
Alldaykk said:
What exactly is dysphoria like? I've never had that.

And is it well documented than that LSD does not deplete your brain in any manor of any chemicals like MDMA? Thanks again guys
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Yes, its well documented - LSD has been heavily studied. It shares some receptor affinities with MDMA (5-HT2), but does not act as a releasing agent like MDMA.

As for dysphoria... like others have said, the exact opposite of euphoria. Euphoria feels like everything is perfect right? Dysphoria feels like everything is wrong.
 
Mudeltakappa said:
Yes, its well documented - LSD has been heavily studied. It shares some receptor affinities with MDMA (5-HT2), but does not act as a releasing agent like MDMA.

As for dysphoria... like others have said, the exact opposite of euphoria. Euphoria feels like everything is perfect right? Dysphoria feels like everything is wrong.
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DO NOT WANT!!!!!!

Lol Ty for that info luckily that ain't ever gonna happen
 
Preventing bad trips is not about "mental strength", though self-control definitely helps. Being an anxious person probably hurts you as well. I feel like overly logical/intellectual types have a tendency to have trouble "letting go" (though psychedelics will help this, IMO), and this may induce uncomfortable experiences. Keep in mind that the real rate of fully bad trips is pretty damn low (I've seen 1 in 1000 quoted) and that many people would call "difficult moments" akin to those you had in the medical marijuana dispensary "dysphoric", though your experiences seem like mild cases. Just don't get an ego about it. You may never have a bad trip. You may have one. If you keep taking acid frequently, chances are you will (just statistics), but don't let it scare you.
 
stom10 said:
Preventing bad trips is not about "mental strength", though self-control definitely helps. Being an anxious person probably hurts you as well. I feel like overly logical/intellectual types have a tendency to have trouble "letting go" (though psychedelics will help this, IMO), and this may induce uncomfortable experiences. Keep in mind that the real rate of fully bad trips is pretty damn low (I've seen 1 in 1000 quoted) and that many people would call "difficult moments" akin to those you had in the medical marijuana dispensary "dysphoric", though your experiences seem like mild cases. Just don't get an ego about it. You may never have a bad trip. You may have one. If you keep taking acid frequently, chances are you will (just statistics), but don't let it scare you.
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Stom thanks for the answer!!! Yeah I agree with you that makes sense what you said about my situations with the dysphoria. I mean now that I think about it during those times I was getting tons of bad thoughts coming up, but like u pointed out no ego and just rebuked the thoughts and within a few minutes I was on my way. And your right there's no guarantee I won't have a bad trip I can't deny that because to deny that would be saying there is a 0% it could ever happen and that's not realistic. But I'm just gonna always apply the info I have learned on here with my already previous experiences and continue down this journey and how long I can keep a good streak up ;)
 
Let me start with this: you can't simply replace MDMA with LSD. That just isn't going to work, and that is because they are two different drugs. The more experience you have with either, the more you will notice that. Sure, you can decide that you're only bringing oranges to picnics from now on - and that's perfectly valid, since you might really like oranges - but it's never going to replace having an apple. They are fundamentally different in many ways, pharmacology having been pointed out earlier.

LSD is a mysterious chemical. I'm not afraid to say that. It does a lot of things that I presently don't understand, and as I'm gradually realising, probably won't ever be able to, at least in any logical sense. It releases the mind, from everything. From the shackles of that collective madness we call "real life". From the comfort of knowing that anything that can be defined can be understood. From thinking that "this is all there is". The familiar constructs of mind itself dissolve away, leaving behind the core of "you" in it's purest form; that of immediate experience. Sometimes this leaves you vulnerable to every thought that crosses your mind - and that can change your very idea of the person you try to be in your daily life. Your perspective on an entire lifetime's worth of choices can be turned upside-down by a single experience on LSD.

As for "unlocking the secrets", well, there are many of those. It is important, however, not to forget that there will always be an unknown, a deeper truth, or an unseen phenomenon that will tease your mind. This isn't a bad thing, by any means. It's how the mind learns. It's how we as a species came to possess the spectacular mental faculties we do. But no matter how far you go; no matter how many truths unfold; no matter how many times you dive into the rabbit hole and come out with a new perspective on life, which enhances/supercedes/replaces the last thing you learned and is therefore a more "final" truth - this too is an incomplete understanding of the universe, and in turn will eventually be replaced. There is no shortage of truth out there for seekers to find.

Now, you may not believe in bad trips. I accept this. In fact, all the more power to you. If having this mindset means you never end up in the kind of horrifying experience which you exit the next day not knowing which of your friends trust you anymore, or whether you're even worthy of having a friend after - well, you can't quite remember, but you know you've betrayed the trust of everyone you held dear, then hell, go get 'em, Tiger. Have a blast. Enjoy the ride. But please don't try to suggest that those of us who have been through such experiences are somehow lesser to you, whether in terms of self-control or otherwise. And sure as hell don't pity us, for if we're worth our salt as Trippers, we can work through our own shit and come out stronger for it. There's a reason most cultures respect their elders, and this is because experience means a hell of a lot. From what you've written, you don't come across as particularly experienced. That's not a bad thing either, but please try to remember that there are people who have been places you haven't, and for reasons you aren't and might never be aware of.



I think I meant to make a point with this post, but if I did, it's temporarily escaped me. I'm just sharing, I guess :)
 
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lightlord99 said:
You will have a bad trip someday. I promise. And it'll be worse than you'd ever imagine. It's not "oh I don't like this"; it's more like (borrowing an album title) the terror of cosmic loneliness w/ a side of extreme paranoia that feels like your brain is being raped (literally: I can't explain it), your friends are plotting against you and you will also worry you will never feel sane again.

Respect the drug. It's not a toy. We all find that out with experience. <3
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Nah, I've been taking LSD, mushrooms and ayahuasca in enormous doses for about 10 years now. Never had anything remotely like a bad trip. It all depends on the person - if you're the kind of person who panics while you're tripping then you might have a bad trip.
 
Alldaykk said:
And your right there's no guarantee I won't have a bad trip I can't deny that because to deny that would be saying there is a 0% it could ever happen and that's not realistic. But I'm just gonna always apply the info I have learned on here with my already previous experiences and continue down this journey and how long I can keep a good streak up ;)
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You've got the right idea Alldaykk. There's no "guarantee" any of us won't wake up tomorrow morning and have had a catastrophic nervous breakdown in our sleep that leaves us unable to function.

But it's pretty fucking unlikely. So don't worry yourself sick about it.

Similarly if you arn't the kind of person who shits themselves when they're high on psychedelics it's best dealing with the reality of how you find tripping rather than worrying about stories you've heard of "My mate took LSD in the next town and thinks he's a glass of orange juice..". I've always felt that 99.9% of "bad trips" are caused by people hearing stories about "bad trips" and then thinking "Oh my god I'm having a bad trip just like that dude said..". Trust yourself.

There's a reason most cultures respect their elders, and this is because experience means a hell of a lot.

Maybe, but as Bill Hicks pointed out "All the people that created countries, that created traditions and created rules - them fuckers are dead. Why don't you start your own world while you got the chance?"
 
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Ismene said:
There's a reason most cultures respect their elders, and this is because experience means a hell of a lot.

Maybe, but as Bill Hicks pointed out "All the people that created countries, that created traditions and created rules - them fuckers are dead. Why don't you start your own world while you got the chance?"
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Feel free to ignore the wisdom of others; just remember that you do so at your own peril. I'm not trying to dictate how you should live your life, I'm only advising caution. As I said: have a blast. Just remember, no streak can go on forever.
 
Come on raw, you're sounding like Nancy Reagan now. It's got nothing to do with a "streak". It's about knowing who you are and knowing yourself.
 
Ismene said:
Come on raw, you're sounding like Nancy Reagan now. It's got nothing to do with a "streak". It's about knowing who you are and knowing yourself.
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That's an unfair comparison. I never said to stop taking LSD. What I'm trying to convey is that nobody is invincible, even you. Yes, you reading this: you are not indestructible. Thinking otherwise is a fallacy.

By all means, play with the fire. I'll be the one sitting in the corner, smiling as you learn your lesson. :)
 
the thing i find about LSD is that i don't often have bad trips but wen i do i learn much from them. i always get that award feeling tho on at 1st specially if i am real spun out ,i don't even like to make eye contact with people. Always learn something or explore something new on it. i do agree with Lightlord 99 there will be a day wen you properly have a bad trip. happy to here you haven't so far.
 
Alldaykk said:
From what I understand, and please please correct me if Im wrong and you are knowledgable in this area, LSD in lamens terms could be described as a synthetic alternative to serotonin. From what I gathered it is similar in structure to serotonin enough to where it can bind to the same transmitters as serotonin does.
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This is way oversimplifying the matter. We really understand so little about how psychedelics and the brain work right now.
 
Serotonin isn't the only neurotransmitter responsible for euphoric experiences, and it also has many other purposes. Dopamine and endorphins also can also create feelings of euphoria. Its been shown that LSD is a partial dopamine agonist. I think this suggests serotonin doesn't play a big role in LSD induced euphoria.
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LSD has clinically relevant affinity at 5-ht2a, 5-ht2c, 5-ht1a, 5-ht5a and 5-ht6 receptors. The only dopamine receptor it agonizes to a significant extent is D3, and this likely contributes to stimulation rather than euphoria (IIRC D1 is the euphoria receptor). Its D3 affinity is some ten times lower than its 5-ht2a affinity.
 
atara said:
LSD has clinically relevant affinity at 5-ht2a, 5-ht2c, 5-ht1a, 5-ht5a and 5-ht6 receptors. The only dopamine receptor it agonizes to a significant extent is D3, and this likely contributes to stimulation rather than euphoria (IIRC D1 is the euphoria receptor). Its D3 affinity is some ten times lower than its 5-ht2a affinity.
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So it binds to the same places as serotonin just not every receptor. What I mean is, LSD binds to all same receptors as serotonin, however serotonin has additional sites in binds to
 
I used to think I was impervious to a bad trip, then one day after 4 hits of particularly strong blotter I found myself unable to get out of my friends bathroom cowering in a corner wondering why my friend's toilet was mindfucking me and if I had transcended from reality into complete oblivion.

No one is above a bad trip, just give it time, you will find yourself in limbo wondering about the loneliness of the "self" eventually, it is a beautiful thing and the bad trips are the best, you come out of them a better person, but during that time it's hell on earth.
 
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