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Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives

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Why has Texas created half the jobs in the country? Is Texas the best at doing business? Would you vote for Rick Perry? IS this something Obama should look at? I mean we're controlled by Republicans, Texas doesn't tax much, and has the most jobs in the country. How come we say liberals are more intelligent when Texas is doing so much better than liberal California?
 
I wouldn't oppose a study breaking down intelligence by race, as long as it was done rigorously and objectively.
 
You say their smarter but when you look at Texas and other Republican states they are doing better in the economy, especially Texas. Compare that to California.
 
Is everyone scared of my Texas comparison? To not even warrant a response shows a lack of intelligence.
 
Droppersneck said:
Kenickie before you try and act like your this all knowing, non biased prophet. Let me say this phrase alone is filled with racial bias, assumed non flawed liberal ideology, in essence you and me are no different You just post your opinions under the guise of sensitivity/ tolerance. I dont give a crap about going through the chore of it all. Its a message board Im not scared to say my mind.
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Way to prove the premise of the thread! :D
 
"We're smarter than you, my IQ test shows it", is a little childish. Even if it is backed by a study, it does nothing to fix the nature of current political discourse.

I wouldn't oppose a study breaking down intelligence by race, as long as it was done rigorously and objectively.
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Any such study would be torn down by any person whose preconceived world view it did not fit in with. There's no point in doing such a study.
 
Any such study would be torn down by any person whose preconceived world view it did not fit in with. There's no point in doing such a study.
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this was brought up a couple posts ago:
qwe said:
i love sociology, and am well aware of the IQ and academic performance differences. as a lib, these facts influence my politics: wealth stratification is the causative factor here (the racial component is only a correlation), and it desperately needs to be addressed

conservatives and libertarians are often on the (ironically classical liberal-) capitalist side, so i think their ideology not only fails to address this factor, but worsens it. there's my "fit" if you are looking for one
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"We're smarter than you, my IQ test shows it", is a little childish
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oversimplifying and misrepresenting what i was trying to say could also be childish
Any such study would be torn down by any person whose preconceived world view it did not fit in with
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you're arguing against increasing our boundaries of knowledge and awareness because some people won't believe the results. history has proven you wrong... it took a while, but we transitioned from magical thinking to rational thinking (at least, we have gotten pretty far compared to where we were). scientific studies and writings have thrown our culture into excellent debates and have changed society. at the very least, even if nobody believes it now, we will have the knowledge when we are ready

imo, one of the primary differences between conservative and liberal thinking is how we see the future and the unknown... i embrace it completely, because i feel to do otherwise would not only lead to stagnation but the destruction of our species and continuation of the present amount of suffering
 
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It's kind of dumb, actually.

We should see a racial bias in IQ, simply because of socio-economic factors at play.
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Let's not kid ourselves, there are genetic factors as well.

I think a better argument would be to question the validity of standard IQ tests. They measure a limited and selected set of cognitive abilities.
 
You're arguing against increasing our boundaries of knowledge and awareness because some people won't believe the results.
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Those people are just as likely to be you at this point. There would be cries of bias from every corner before the results even came in, it could never happen.
 
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There are plenty of objective studies out there. White people tend to have *slightly* higher scores than other races, but it's insignificant. We're talking on the order of a point or two at most on a range of 70-130. Once you look at studies all lumped together, the difference is negligible to say the least.

And yes, there are genetics at play. Smarter people tend to have smarter children, and dumber people tend to have dumber children, regardless of skin color. And that's all on a nice fat bell curve.
 
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White people tend to have *slightly* higher scores than other races, but it's insignificant. We're talking on the order of a point or two at most on a range of 70-130. Once you look at studies all lumped together, the difference is negligible to say the least.
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Right, but this can be more easily explained by differing social contexts.

And yes, there are genetics at play. Smarter people tend to have smarter children, and dumber people tend to have dumber children, regardless of skin color. And that's all on a nice fat bell curve.
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Well, I'm not arguing that genetics don't affect intelligence. I am arguing that the connection between race and genetics appears not to extend very far beyond genes coding for phenotypical characteristics that we link with race (and even here, race doesn't serve as a valid system of categorization of continuous variance).

But as I recall from the strikingly recent conversation on this matter, we agree, right?

ebola
 
Anybody ever think that considering only two schools of thought is ruining this country? its always liberal VS. Conservative and it shouldn't be. We need Americans to come together to solve with all the problems we currently have. We need to do away with these ideologies that pit American against eachother. Democrats and Republicans arent doing shit to help the average American out anyway so why do we continue to put them in office?
 
thebay420 said:
Anybody ever think that considering only two schools of thought is ruining this country? its always liberal VS. Conservative and it shouldn't be. We need Americans to come together to solve with all the problems we currently have. We need to do away with these ideologies that pit American against eachother. Democrats and Republicans arent doing shit to help the average American out anyway so why do we continue to put them in office?
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i agree that a synthesis of the two is needed. best of both worlds. sounds great doesn't it?

unfortunately, there are two very different states of mind leading to these two sides. hence the "culture war". inside "american culture" (heh) cultures really are clashing. particularly generationally, as each new generation grows up in an exceedingly different world

the core of conservativism is status quo... that being the case, how is this ideology helping? on the flip side, change to alleviate suffering comes from the progressive side. i can see how this is helping; it's been happening slowly but accelerating throughout history
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I am arguing that the connection between race and genetics appears not to extend very far beyond genes coding for phenotypical characteristics that we link with race (and even here, race doesn't serve as a valid system of categorization of continuous variance).
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i don't have references handy, but i've seen abstracts and summaries for laymen indicating exactly this
 
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And yes, there are genetics at play. Smarter people tend to have smarter children, and dumber people tend to have dumber children, regardless of skin color. And that's all on a nice fat bell curve.
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Correlation != causation.

Smarter people may create a more educational home life, or push their children better in schools. It may be that intelligence causes better incomes, which leads to better childhood nutrition. It could even be something weirder, such as smarter people being more likely to seek medical care, which leads to healthier children being more able to take advantage of the education which is offered.
 
ebola? said:
Well, I'm not arguing that genetics don't affect intelligence. I am arguing that the connection between race and genetics appears not to extend very far beyond genes coding for phenotypical characteristics that we link with race (and even here, race doesn't serve as a valid system of categorization of continuous variance).

ebola
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Intelligence is a phenotype, just as is the ability to run fast, or have red hair.

A phenotype is any observable manifestation of a gene, or set of genes, whether they confer physical or mental traits.

I agree that in terms of mental acuity, the variance is negligible (due to a relatively recent common ancestor) but like rnr said, it could be plotted on a bell curve given enough analytical data, just as the average Kenyan male's ability to run the 100m could be plotted in the same fashion.

People obviously adapt to their environment, and environment and racial lines are intertwined geographically.

Not exactly mind-shattering stuff here, just pointing out that differences exist. Since we can all interbreed anyways, I see no relevant pathology to this observation, other than that it exists and is categorically true.
 
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