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☮ Social ☮ PD Social: swirling into homeostasis

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I'm liking the title, and ^ word.


No seemingly harsh feelings in the other thread towards you past that thread, mcat. I really do like your trip reports and besides of the harnessing of "magic" for you or big claims outside of those, I would like to see more reports on mescaline and m1, they both seem to really act up for you.
 
For anyone tripping, you lucky fu*kers :) I was going to dose 4-aco-d-(notso)empty... but decided I have too much work to do. But have been screwing around on BL ever since anyways. Fuck.

Anyone having a rough time, I suggest a terrance mckenna lecture. He has a calming voice. I wouldn't take 80% of his stuff seriously (and 99% not literally) but he would probably help improve a rough trip I was having, as he has done for a friend of mine.

The sounds he makes of the "self-replicating machine elves" is pretty funny. What a creative guy he was.
 
Dondante said:
. Reaching transient states of euphoria is easy; implementing beneficial changes in lifestyle is quite a separate issue and can be very difficult.
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(So guilty of trying to do both constantly because my main job for me is spinning poi and I branch outwards to instruments from there, stoned days involve digital art classes and studying humanities :D.)

Not gonna lie, it's still pretty hard to balance without being out there haha.

^ I actually have not dosed any DXM yet, I'm thinking some DPT, K, or 2C-I plus cannabinoids and nos instead.

I have never had a deeper "K-hole" from snorting than I have from huge amounts of nitrous while on psychedelics, which involve unknowingly passing out and things being beyond hyperextension of instant thoughts becoming reality that is so intense and fast based around where I passed out or sometimes another ridiculous constructed environment until I can realize what's going on is not reality (not here, though) and I become conscious and instantly recognize the transition now and bring back as much as I can with my photographic like memory. It gets so detailed past what I can currently draw or try to fractalize into my thoughts currently, but one day maybe I will catch up!

Never injected or IM'ed, a very long continuous stream of drug induced unconscious thought rising has got to be nuts, especially with tryptamines.
 
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Roger&Me said:
Jazz Is Dead 4-30-99

Holy crap, get this while you can. Mindblowing. 8o
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Givin' this a whirl, I already like what I hear hehe.

~_Hiss_~ said:
The sounds he makes of the "self-replicating machine elves" is pretty funny. What a creative guy he was.
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Link to that lecture? I'd love to hear it.

Catfish, I haven't made your dank recipe yet but I'm going grocery shopping tomorrow. :)
 
PepperSocks said:
Agreed.

That's the best description I've ever read on the topic of always chasing a higher psychedelic high instead of actually taking it easy and giving ample time to true integration.
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Lord knows we've all been there.

I was there for years, and finally I saw that at the bottom of it all is a total void that was put in my soul by trying to chance delusion. And only now am I starting to fill that hole and reintegrate into the real world.

And it's from that place that I speak when I speak harshly towards what I consider insanity and poor choices as regard drugs. Actually, a place of concern. And of love. It's just not in me told hold my punches verbally ...
 
As for MK leaving, I say thats great, after a comment like he made on previous page. His ego is as inflated as ever, and is getting defensive about his deteriorating mental state. Talking of magic fairy tales as truths and posting in trip reports, when it was only 10% of a trip report surrounded by superstitious garbage (but of course he'll claim us non-believers in such stuff are just jealous lol), is asking for criticism.

I've noticed BL becoming more and more scientific over the 9 years I've read it. To have someone make arrogant supernatural claims is a bit annoying when it is done in an egocentric "i'm so special look at me look at my powers" kind of way.

Sorry if I bummed anyone out, and I think the topic should cease personally. If he changes his mind and wants to come back I'm not against that either, maybe he could use some persuading to change his ways.
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I enjoy optical illusions while tripping, as they can be quite intense. Wikipedia has a half decent page on them but there are probably better sites.

Last time I tripped, I put on pandora radio. That thing is pretty awesome. The only problem is I haven't figured out how to link up my awesome winamp milkdrop 2 visualizer to it. now THAT I can stare at for a long time, quite amazing what humans are capable of.
 
I'm digging that album, Roger.

And SKL, I think your way of handling the situation was spot on. You have no need to justify or defend yourself, it was quite clear you're looking out for the dude's best interest, and that we shouldn't coddle people's delusions. It's only the other delusional folk and those who promote ontological security over rationality that take issue with it.

I really need to find away to deal with my anxiety/depression over this job hunting/general life situation, my normal panacea of avoidance is only making things worse.
 
Dondante said:
They put on a good show. They mimic their studio sound pretty well live, which in their case is a positive...good energy too. It was worth it, but by no means mindblowingly incredible...for me, that level of live performance is occupied by Radiohead, Animal Collective, and My Morning Jacket.

I hadn't heard of Discovery, but I'll check them out. Any particular recommendations?

P.S. In case anyone is still interested in the Jonsi performance, NPR is replaying the video broadcast tonight at 9 EST. It's a short set, at roughly 1:20 minutes, but is definitely worth watching, IMO.
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their self-titled album is a worthy listening experience
 
I actually don't think that MagickalKat's psychedelic use is really altering his or her ideological perspective in any significant way. I've read early posts that Kat made, and Kat has always seen things through the lens of being personally special in a supernatural way (an Indigo child).

Kat's just interpreting his or her trips in an eccentric way. Not because of excessive drug use, but just because everything is seen through the eyes of an Indigo child, y'know?


I also think that too much focus is put on the integration of psychedelics. Not that integration isn't important, or that applicable psychedelic revelation should be totally ignored -- but if the focus is entirely on what happens after the come-down, then we lose sight of an extremely important fundamental aspect of the experience. The part that is valuable here and now, during the trip and not after.

The gears and cogs turning in the human machine.

The essence of psychedelia. See SKL's 5-MeO-DMT TR thread for some discussion on that topic. :)
 
Okay so let me come in here now that I have calmed down.

Having a connection with the universe does not make one crazy/delusional/schizo. Ask my friends who thought so and, while sober, I pushed an energy ball through their third eye chakra and made them see the true beauty in themselves. Wish I could do the same thing to me but that's slowly being worked on.

The fact of the matter is, and I am sure that willow would agree with me, being attacked for my magickal belief system and the experience all three of us had made (mind you that one of them had never done a psych in her life and had never felt ecstasy tabs before - she got better with the mind stuff than I did and she's never even realized it existed) me just say enough is enough.

We all have our belief systems. We are all right. All paths lead to the same source unless you worship yourself (Left-path Satanism I believe). God/the universe/god and goddess/whatever you want to call the source is the exact same "God" in every religion in the end.

As for my drug use - I haven't really been abusing psychs. 2 trips on 4-AcO-DMT and 2 on 4-HO-MET is abuse? Yeah I had my multi-gram binge ONE TIME on MDMA and I had my methylone binges but seriously you guys think I'm falling apart at the hinges? Not at all.

As for integration - I've never had a drug teach me something I didn't already know - I did not expect to regress through my entire life and see what got me where I am today. It integrated itself right away and I'm already making one of the changes (quitting smoking) and working on the second (landing a true long term relationship with someone I care about - I'm ready to settle down and so is he - and we've only been hanging around for 3 weeks and his best friend, whom he brought me over to meet (first guy this has happened to in 15 years) said he's never seen him as happy as he is when he's around me. Finally, I realized my potential that I've thrown away all of these years and so I'm going to repair computers on the side (Craigslist) and I'm going to go to massage therapy school and combine reiki with my massages...

If I still sound like a lunatic then I just wish you would have a more open mind - willow would know exactly where I'm coming from.

I love BL and PD but the attacks were just not necessary. Just because you don't understand yourself doesn't make me a lunatic.

I have never attacked someone for sharing their experience yet this is the second time I got attacked for having a mystical experience - why do you think I didn't put up a trip report besides the fact it would be pages long?

Namaste and Blessed Be.
 
Jesusgreen said:
Personally I've only tried 2C-E of the 2Cs, and it was my second ever psychedelic too, I love it, I see most drugs as consistent but very linear, 2C-E seems very different each time, but it's very flexible, so the environment matters a lot - if you want a nice stimmy euphoric buzz, all loved up and chatty, with some nice visuals - put on some rave music and take a lower dose with some friends - if you want serious introspection, up the dose a little, turn off the music, and lay in the dark..

Really useful chemical.
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Thank you for the information, I will keep the above in mind when sampling.<3


Delsyd said:
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what is the relation between the two, why compare them?
the only thing they have in common is they are both drugs.

2c-e does not have euphoria anything like 4mmc.

2c-e=psychedelic, euphoria comes from revelations, connections, delusions "oh my god, it all makes sense" and then you cry from joy

4mmc= stimulant/empathogen, euphoria comes from massive serotonin or dopamine release. something along the lines of "damn i feel good, oh shit i feel sooo good, i need to dance or rub one off because i feel so damn good"

dont go misleading meph kids into thinking 2ce is a replacement.
the euphoria is not better, jesus just happens to like it more.
ya dig?
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You make a really good point Delsyd, thank you for putting my words into a decent structure and meaning. You're absolutely right and I'm sure you understand I wasn't attempting to mis-lead anyone. Just made a post without thinking the wording through.

Thanks for sorting it sir <3
 
Symmetrical Daze said:
As for MK leaving, I say thats great, after a comment like he made on previous page. His ego is as inflated as ever, and is getting defensive about his deteriorating mental state. Talking of magic fairy tales as truths and posting in trip reports, when it was only 10% of a trip report surrounded by superstitious garbage (but of course he'll claim us non-believers in such stuff are just jealous lol), is asking for criticism.
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I'm a Libra. I'm hard-headed, loud-mouthed, and I have an "I don't give a fuck" attitude when it comes to what people think of me. If it had been me tripping by myself, I wouldn't have flipped but you guys took two people that don't do drugs at all and threw them under the bus for having the same experience as me - two people I rather deeply care about - and that's when the nastiness of a Libra will come flying out. We are passive until someone starts fucking with someone we care about, that's when the bitch switch is turned on and isn't easy to turn off.
 
Hmm, maybe I'm missing something, but what happened here? Like a pecking party....correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think jumping on MagickalKat is particularly kind (or enlightened or compassionate or whatnot). Caring is good; tough love is a bit shit.

I mean, I wrote a huge post about discovering the actual structure of the universe on LSD, along with the realisation that everything is realted to the number 11- and yet, I got simple curiousity, when it was certainly me being delusional and utterly tripped out. That said, delusions are part of psychedelic use- and ego is defintely a structure that we do (sadly?? no...) need to define oourselves.

Lets be kind to each other :) <3
 
I don't even know you willow and I knew you would see things the way I do but I believe you're also a magickal being yourself so you've probably been chastised as well.

If you go read the locked MDMA & Mescaline thread you would see why I got so upset... There was nothing looney-bin worth in there. A whole lot of enlightenment.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=530548

I've never been attacked so much about anything before - they attacked me less for driving thinking I was a race car driver going 70-90 MPH on a street that's 40-45 - while under the influence of almost 50mg of 2C-I than they did for having this experience.
 
^I've neverf noticed the chastising, self obsessed as I am ;) I will read the thread though...

Whatever happens/ed, I guess most of this is born out of concern; and exageratted by lack of nuance via the internet.

Smile <3 :)
 
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