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Disaster looms as oil slick reaches US coast

After watching "the Cove" I no longer eat anything that comes out of an ocean.
 
GenericMind said:
Oil leaks into the sea naturally every day. No biggy.
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5 millions gallons of oil needlessly escapes into the ocean...which constitutes the largest spill in human history...which was caused by a a corporation's neglegence....which has killed at least 11 people...and your response is "no biggy."

are you some sort of nihilist? get a fucking grip dude.
 
Mehm said:
5 millions gallons of oil needlessly escapes into the ocean...which constitutes the largest spill in human history...which was caused by a a corporation's neglegence....which has killed at least 11 people...and your response is "no biggy."

are you some sort of nihilist? get a fucking grip dude.
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A) 75% of it is already has already been cleaned up or broken down.

B) Nobody knows what it was caused by yet.

C) Way to take what I said out of context. We were talking specifically about the oil that has already broken down and been integrated into the rest of the ocean, not the oil spill as a whole. You get a fucking grip, dude.
 
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i was wrong. this is not the death of the gulf. that's not to say it's good in any way. but now i think i understand what happened. BP knew that this was actually par for the course--there is oil all over the goddamn place. i heard a story yesterday on npr with the environmental reporter for a New Orleans newspaper who talked about how much oil leaked during Katrina simply due to facilities being damaged, wind & storms carrying oil, etc. huge amounts--more, so far, than what's come ashore from this.

i think we have to admit that the dispersant "worked"--it generally spread the oil out into PPM so low that it rivals the rest of the gulf. that does not mean that it did not also create large zones where microscopic life can't live, causing all sorts of long-term damage to the food chain. but probably just part of the same damage we are doing everywhere--e.g., as i also heard recently, the Canadian study showing that we've lost 1/2 of the ocean's microscopic life in the last 50 years.

BP still sucks.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
^- I like how "corporation" is bolded.

Should we place some sort of special emphasis on the entity being a corporation?
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People use "corporation" as a shorthand for "large, bureaucratic economic firm". If anything, privately held companies are often just as destructive in their pursuit of self-interest, profit-seeking from corporate shareholders and high-level managers not differing too much from that of private owner/managers.

ebola
 
GenericMind said:
A) 75% of it is already has already been cleaned up or broken down.

B) Nobody knows what it was caused by yet.

C) Way to take what I said out of context. We were talking specifically about the oil that has already broken down and been integrated into the rest of the ocean, not the oil spill as a whole. You get a fucking grip, dude.
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A) I sure like to see a source on that stretch of the imagination.

B) General negligence, cutting corners, or dealing with forces that they weren't prepared to deal with are really our only options. They drilled it and they fucked it up. It is no one's fault but theirs.

C) Sorry to take it out of context. But "no biggy" seems like a pretty defeatist attitude imo. The dead zone created by the missisippi is already a catastrophe of huge proportions. This recent spill is just incredible in its magnitude.

I like how "corporation" is bolded.

Should we place some sort of special emphasis on the entity being a corporation?
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Its bolded because of Generic Mind's staunch defense of said entities in another thread.

And yes, we should. Corporations are given many rights while facing little consequence for their fuckups.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
I'm a tad skeptical of the Obama administration repeating BP's claims of 75% of the oil gone.

Seems like they are selecting convenient figures.
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It was the Obama Administration that released the report in the first place.


Mehm said:
A) I sure like to see a source on that stretch of the imagination.

B) General negligence, cutting corners, or dealing with forces that they weren't prepared to deal with are really our only options. They drilled it and they fucked it up. It is no one's fault but theirs.

C) Sorry to take it out of context. But "no biggy" seems like a pretty defeatist attitude imo. The dead zone created by the missisippi is already a catastrophe of huge proportions. This recent spill is just incredible in its magnitude.
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A) Oh ok

B) No, those aren't our only options. If they were there wouldn't be a need for the half dozen investigations going on into what happened. I doubt drilling 18,000 feet below the seabed for oil is such a simple procedure that you or I can boil what could have went wrong down to 3 vague possibilities.

C) Apology accepted.


And yes, we should. Corporations are given many rights while facing little consequence for their fuckups.
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Since when was tens of billions of dollars in penalties considered "little consequences"?
 
Ohh, the White House......thank you for allaying my fear :D

b. It seem like "dealing with forces that they weren't prepared to deal with" in combination with a dead battery on the emergency shut off was the issue.

For a company that brings home over 1 billion a day (something I remember reading, not sure if this is totally true), 20 billion doesn't seem like that much.
 
The White House blog was just the first page that came up when I searched for it. I'm sure you can find it elsewhere. I'm also sure that there are plenty of independent research teams that would post contrary studies if they disagreed for those of you that believe nothing but lies can come from the Government.

And BP doesn't bring anything remotely close to $1 Billion a day home. $20 Billion(they'll end up paying more than that) is A LOT of money to any person or company in the World. I can't believe I even have to explain that.
 
^^I agree that 20 billion is certainly a lot of money. I personally hope the entire company is liquidized and dispersed to the people and environment of the gulf.
 
It won't be.

And why should it be? The company was worth over $200 Billion before the spill. The whole point of incorporation is to allow a business to be treated like a single entity, like a person. We don't liquidate the entire worth of a person when they fuck up. They're fined amounts that are in accordance with the law, just like companies are.
 
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