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A little expert advice regarding AMT

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A little expert advice required, regarding AMT

Ive taken 25mg, my dose was 5 hours ago (18:30)
Since the beginning of the trip I felt a little out of my depth, but now I am having trouble controlling it.
It feels like the effects of the drug are getting stronger, is this normal for after 5 hours of dosing?
 
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Im almost positive it isn't 5-meo-amt.
I took a 5mg tester and waited a few hours and felt nothing.
Also, it should be noted, this is my first proper psychidelic experience
 
good to hear your feeling better, I have always found that the effects come in waves so try and chill out and relax and next time it"kicks in" you should feel more positive about it and have more control.
 
ok cheers
Yea it seems this was quite a big wave. Normally I like to keep a record of all my experiences as I go along. But theres a huge 90 minute gap in my notes where my brain was too scrambled, and I had no concept of time anymore. Nothing made sense
 
Sheppard, do you think I could add you on my msn for a few hours? Its comforting to go through this with someone more experienced than me.
I don't think Ill be having any more panics though. Since having that huge one and seeing Im still alright, I know I will be fine for the rest of the night.
 
sorry mate my msns screwed but I imagine I will be on here for an hour or so. Try putting some chilled music on , always helps me if I start to panic, gives you something to focus on.
 
Yeah first time AMT even with experienced users can really catch you off guard, i never expected it to be as strong as it was. Listen to some music and chillout, maybe go outside with nature if you have a nice private garden.

Maybe smoke some weed if you have any or watch something cheery on TV that makes you laugh.

I hope it's went/going well man.
 
yeah i tried it for first time recently @ ~15mg and felt that was decent for a first go, not too intense.. next time will take 20mg.
 
Can you take small doses such as under 20mg, get nice effects but be able to get some sleep in a shorter time? Would like to get some sleep after 12 hours max.
 
If you're talking anti-depressant doses, then yes it's possible to take it, have a great day and get some sleep.

If you're talking doses high enough to achieve more obvious psychedelic effects, then I've found that the stimulation and sleeplessness are pretty much inevitable unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on what you have to do the following day).

20mg is on the threshold, so I think that may tend towards the latter in most people without any tolerance. As always, it's a highly subjective substance.
 
Maybe its just me, but I have had awful comedowns from smaller doses. When I used 25mg (first time) I had no trouble getting to sleep 10 hours after dosing orally.
But then the next time I used 15mg, I couldnt get to sleep all night. Then the next couple of times which were between 5-10mg I couldnt get to sleep, I felt physically ill.
Either my body is weird, or my product is degrading (diluted in water & vinegar).
 
i am strongly debating this.

I am depression. Clinically. I do not take medicne for my depression.
I've just learned to be cynically happy and i have my off days and i have my great days.

5-10 mg of this stuff makes me feel intensely happy like 100-150mg of mdma happy for hours without any sort of crash.

I've smoked up to 20mg of the freebase which was extremely pleasant.

my two friend J and B they enjoy it in the 25-50mg range. but they are obviously much happier people than i am. I've never ... actually felt as authentically happy as i ever have before on a drug...

2c-e vs. If anything my mind unravels itself and for days to months afterwards i will experience no symptoms of my depression, but, when i had my ONLY bad trip from it, it scared me so much i never wanted to touch it again, But... so is the power of the mind.

5-meo-mipt might as well be psychedelic crack. without the intense need for more.
4-aco-dmt just numbs me out and makes me have amazing memories and experience cosmic things, which make me feel more in touch with myself, but never enough to actually make me break through...


AMT to me, reminds me of mdma, with the happiness and euphoria. 4-aco-dmt with the lack of mindfuck and the lack of crash, and a little bit like 2c-e in the sense it can keep me feeling alive and good for a long time.

i don't believe that AMT has a dark side, but everything does...
 
i really don't understand why anyone would wanna take amt on its own, to me its a party drug its gotta be taken with your mates with the music blasting. in fact i don't see why people would wanna take any drugs on there own (exept weed) its so much better with friends you got people to talk to and you can have more fun.
 
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AMT to me, reminds me of mdma, with the happiness and euphoria. 4-aco-dmt with the lack of mindfuck and the lack of crash, and a little bit like 2c-e in the sense it can keep me feeling alive and good for a long time.

i don't believe that AMT has a dark side, but everything does...
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You get a crash from 4-AcO-DMT as well? That's interesting. I've only "crashed" on it after having a plus four "ego union" trip ("Ego Trip" in TR or on Erowid). The depression didn't last long though and felt both expected and natural.

I'm not aware of 4-AcO-DMT releasing serotonin, but I have to say I've read of people thinking the euphoria is similar to MDMA. Certainly it's more euphoric for me than 4-ho-DMT. Once I used 20 mg aMT IM with 14 mg 4-AcO-DMT IM and had a very intense experience. I felt high anxiety for about 10 minutes after feeling the first alerts of onset. Then, literally over the period of a few seconds, I felt something give way inside my head. I became very unbalance and needed to lie down to prevent nausea and fairly strong disorientation, but felt amazing and totally comfortable aside from reacting so differently to it than expected. It felt slightly dangerous, but that may have just been the shock of the surprise. My vision got liquidy like it does when my brain is floating in serotonin (distinguished, that is, from the OEVs of the 4-AcO). It was like my brain figured out how to store it up somewhere until pressure built up and then release it as quickly as possible in the area of my brain where it counts to get an intense rush and optimal "chemical" euphoria (usually the euphoria is more spiritual). The only thing in my thoughts was the sound of me saying "wow" repeatedly and laughing like a maniac. I didn't get a crash though, probably because the aMT continued going strong after the rush wore off.

I think aMT's dark side is in the after effects for some people, most commonly brain zaps. I'd also call it highly abusable at shorter acting sub-psychedelic IM doses, especially in combination with amphetamines or GHB. If anyone has had issues with those drugs I recommend staying clear of these combos. I've tried everything short of heroin and never had a problem in 13 years of use, but low dose IM aMT with amphetamine is probably the combo I do most often to this day.
 
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What is IM? Also do you know the best way to shorten the experience? Just take less?
 
^Intramuscular. In my experience doses of 12 mg to 20 mg IM fade substantially by 5 or 6 hours. First alerts occur in 5 minutes, and I'm plateaued by 1 hour, so skipping the 3 hour oral onset is a big part of the shorter time commitment. Sleep is usually possible with the help of diphenhydramine and a few shots of liquor by the 8 or 9 hour point. There's definitely no visuals for me at that level at that point aside from brightened colors from my pupils still being blown open. Others who have tried it at 20 mg claimed longer duration, so plan for idiosyncratic reactions. I never feel nausea with the HCl used this way, but again others have claimed being nauseated.
 
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