Bi-polar possibility

Theres many unofficial definitions of bi-polar, yesterday actually I was told that although I wasn't being officially diagnosed (they didnt want to label it) the antidepressents I was perscribed (lexapro) triggered episodes only after 5 months of it working great for what we thought was depression and anxiety. There's no fine line, the current thinking of some is that you can have bipolar depression (well that it should be treated like bipolar) that cycles into normalcy. The labels are for insurance, most docs know theirs fo fine line
 
Umm i doubt you would say that if you saw me in full blown mania. I can get pretty wild and edgy when im manic so yes there is a difference between someone who has bipolar disorder and someone that does not. Id also hardly call the depression side of things normal either. Losing massive amounts of weight because you won't get out of bed to eat or even fucking shower is not "normal".

I agree. Full blown mania, I can go 2 weeks with no food or sleep. When I talk I sound like a crack head and I don't make any sense. I think I'm better than God.
When I'm depressed I stop eating and I lay in bed staring at the walls for hours. I wear the same clothes for a week and have to force myself to do things like brush my teeth. I dropped out of school for a semester because I couldn't make simple decisions like "should I pee or eat" and if I couldn't do that, how the hell was I gonna get to school? I couldn't even figure out which shoe to put on first, and that in itself was incredibly overwhelming.

How normal is that?
(and lets not even start talking about hallucinations and extreme paranoia)

HippieChick, I'm glad you're looking for another doctor. :)
And, I agree that you should go outside the home to get a diagnosis. Yes, do a background check to see if you're more prone to getting something, but if your brother says "you're nuts" I'd ignore that and see a doc.
My little sister just got her BA in psychology and she's ready to label my dad as a narcissistic asshole something or other that sounds really bad JUST BECAUSE they don't agree on everything all of the time.
Ugh she thinks she knows everything now (and of course she's perfectly mentally sane). 8) My dad's actually an awesome guy. So yeah, get someone who doesn't already have some sort of opinion about you! A non-biased person.
 
What i'm trying to say is, no two cases of bi-polar are at all alike, therefore it should not be treated as a disorder, disease, etc. the very concept of normal is relative to the user, and that kind of thinking is what's not done in today's fields of medicine, or psychiatry even.
 
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I think maybe it's an embarrassment thing? See, supposedly I'm really smart, IQ wise, common sense - most of the time ... but shit, when it comes to admitting that I have a disease that I oh fuck, never mind, I'll swallow my pride and go talk to a professional, when I can find one I trust. Gees, maximum embarrassment.

There is absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about when it comes to mental health. The brain is an organ just like any other organ in the body. You wouldn't be ashamed or embarrassed about seeing your doctor about a heart problem, or kidney problems, would you? The brain is no different, sometimes things don't work quite as well as they should, or something gets a little out of balance and it needs help/medication to get it right again. It shows absolutely no weakness on your part as a person. No medical professional in this day and age will judge you for having a psychological disorder.

Good luck hun <3
 
There is absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about when it comes to mental health. The brain is an organ just like any other organ in the body. You wouldn't be ashamed or embarrassed about seeing your doctor about a heart problem, or kidney problems, would you? The brain is no different, sometimes things don't work quite as well as they should, or something gets a little out of balance and it needs help/medication to get it right again. It shows absolutely no weakness on your part as a person. No medical professional in this day and age will judge you for having a psychological disorder.

Good luck hun <3
Woah there, you're using too much logic. Stigmas overpower logic and then some.
 
See, supposedly I'm really smart, IQ wise, common sense - most of the time ... but shit, when it comes to admitting that I have a disease that I oh fuck, never mind, I'll swallow my pride and go talk to a professional, when I can find one I trust. Gees, maximum embarrassment.

As far as the high IQ thing, if you start to read five or twenty books on bipolar disorder you will notice that this is quite common among people who have bipolar disorder. We tend to be rather intelligent and creative when compared to the rest of the population. As far as accepting the diagnosis, once you read more about it and learn what it is all about the disorder becomes far less frightening. The disorder is very treatable, but it can be a pain in the neck to find the right medications and therapist for you. Just keep working through your treatment, take the medications, and put the legwork in. Eventually things will come together.

The worst thing that you can do, honestly, is continue to use. I am not perfect, myself, because I still occasionally drink, and in the past I have had many relapses with illicit substances. If I recall correctly, as I believe I wrote earlier in this thread, as many as 60% or more people with bipolar disorder will experience substance abuse issues at some point in their lives.

Things could be much worse. At least these days we have a lot of information about bipolar disorder and how to treat it. If you were schizophrenic you wouldn't have a good chance of recovery and living a normal life. Once you find the right medications and jive with a good therapist, your chances of doing whatever you want in life as a bipolar person are very, very high. The disorder can be a huge hindrance, however; I didn't get my associates degree until age 27. I'm hoping I will finish my bachelors degree before age 31; I probably will, but you never know. Just keep pushing onward at your own pace. The worst thing that you can do is to give up.

I wish I were at a better place in life right now, but comparing where I am now to where I was ten years ago I am very pleased. A diagnosis of bipolar disorder is very far from the end of the world :)

OP, keep in mind that mental health issues are purely social constructs the same as race, religion, etc. That is to say, there is little difference qualitatively between someone with bipolar disorder and someone without it.

This is simply not true. There are many differences between persons who have bipolar disorder and those who do not have bipolar disorder. I will let you go to the library or Amazon.com to read a few books about bipolar disorder on your own so you don't have to take my word for it, but I will summarize:

The physical brain structure of persons with bipolar disorder differs markedly from those who do not have the disorder. Studies have shown that persons with bipolar disorder tend to have higher IQs and higher levels of creativity than persons without the disorder. The way in which the brains of bipolar people process certain key neurotransmitters is also quite different from mentally healthy people. We have much medical evidence these days that shows without any doubt that bipolar disorder has a rather strong genetic component. Lastly, the symptoms that bipolar people experience are absolutely nothing at all like what mentally healthy people experience in their day-to-day lives.

Mental illness is very real, but unfortunately most people, like yourself, are completely ignorant when it comes to the topic so you just don't know anything about it at all; it isn't taught in public schools as a requirement in health education and most people will never learn about it unless they major in psychology, go to college for psychiatry, or know someone with the disorder.
 
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Der Führer (lol) above makes a very good point; correct on all counts, clinically speaking.
I'd like to add that every incidence of being bi-polar is different. For one person, manic episodes may be so long-lasting as to resemble ADD, and the crashes being quite brief. This does make it hard for some docs to make a correct diagnosis.
And IMHO, if being bi-polar is managed well & manic episodes utilized correctly, we can often be more creative and productive than the normals. =D
 
As far as the high IQ thing, if you start to read five or twenty books on bipolar disorder you will notice that this is quite common among people who have bipolar disorder. ....I didn't get my associates degree until age 27. I'm hoping I will finish my bachelors degree before age 31; I probably will, but you never know. ...
Studies have shown that persons with bipolar disorder tend to have higher IQs and higher levels of creativity than persons without the disorder.

Interesting. I took the ACT test in the tenth grade, got a full-paid scholarship to the college of my choice. Skipped my senior year in high school. Went one semester (mostly only on test days), made 5 As and a B (missed one quiz - was told I hadn't been taught that theory yet? - can't even remember now what equation it was. And went back to college 11 years later and graduated with a gpa of 3.53 in 2000 in business administration; when I was 33 years old. Ironic no?

And now I use that fancy degree to wash dishes and do laundry. Wooooooweeeeee!
 
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I'm bipolar.

I struggled with accepting this a long time, although the signs were plain enough. But when I was depressed, I always figured it was situational, and when I was manic, I didn't see much of anything wrong, hell, I felt good ...

I only really realized it was problematic when I started getting a lot of irritable mixed episodes ... not fun. But then I was able to do some introspection and retrospection and realize for the past few years I've been on a crazy roller coster ride. And the drugs didn't help. Well, sometimes they did, but only temporarily. Ultimately, oh lord, did th drugs not help. Heroin would dull mania or boost me out of depression, but it created it's own vacuum; benzos were good to stave off mania for a while, but when the mania broke through, I would be even more disinhibited, which was a problem as well. Alcohol made me melancholic but also disinhibited when manicky. Psychedelics without fail introduced mania, sometimes florid mania. Cocaine too. Ketamine just made me straight up bonkers. MDMA always left me in suicidal depression after the comedown. Weed made me vegetative and paranoid although it dulled my mood swings. Amphetamines at low doses were almost a panacea but I tended to escalate the dose, leading to more mania.

And yes, I have a high IQ. And very self sufficient. And I too am loathe to admit that there is something 'wrong' with me, but oh fuck yes there is ...

I take Lamictal as well. i find it to be a godsend. really can take the edge off of both mania and depression. It even dulls the deleterious impact of some of the drugs I spoke about ove. But of course as with psych meds ,YMMV.

The psych. center you are going too sounds like it is not a good match. It is not too helpful to pair people like you with really low functioning severely ill people, little get much from it ... there are many options though. You hould explore them till you find one that fits.

And suicidality is not a sinea qua non for bipolar.

Also,h ave you explored bipolar(II) disorder, which is bipolar between depression and hypomania (elevated mood, other manic sx. absent functional impairment and poor judgment) ... ti is an interesting sort of middle ground. I thought I was a (II) until it became vrey apparent that I am a (I) after a few severe manic episdoes ...
 
I don't know if it's possible to be a little bi-polar or not?.

Absolutely. It's called cyclomythia, and includes "hypomanic" rather than "manic" episodes. The only difference from regular bipolar disorder is the severity.

I would not, however, trust "some doctor", who you do not have a history with, to diagnose you with any mental disorder, especially something as serious as bipolar disorder. I'd recommend seeing a psychiatrist/therapist (yes, somebody that does both, like I feel all psychiatrists should). The more they talk to you and understand what's going on in your life, the better their chances of making a proper diagnoses.
 
I don't seem to have the manic part, just the depression. I recently lost my job at the post office and I think (and yes I'm seeking a psychiatrist now) I'm just very depressed. I don't brush my hair anymore, teeth (only when they are super funky - and I have great teeth (thanks to my Mom's genes) probably a good thing. I lay around all day on the couch in whatever I slept in. I really don't go outside unless I HAVE TO.

Well, after reading this post, I just felt really gross ... so I went and brushed my teeth and used some of that scope outlast stuff ... minty fresh. Better. Ran a comb through my hair and put on a real pretty silky gown instead of the (I guess it was white a couple of days ago) T-shirt. Gosh, I sorta clean up well. Miracle.

Is anyone in here actually a psychitrist? I would even settle for someone in their last year of med school?
 
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Der Führer (lol) above makes a very good point; correct on all counts, clinically speaking.
I'd like to add that every incidence of being bi-polar is different. For one person, manic episodes may be so long-lasting as to resemble ADD, and the crashes being quite brief. This does make it hard for some docs to make a correct diagnosis.
And IMHO, if being bi-polar is managed well & manic episodes utilized correctly, we can often be more creative and productive than the normals. =D

A lot of this is true. Bipolar disorder is very difficult to properly diagnose sometimes. It has a reputation for that. Although there are common traits that every bipolar person will experience, the severity of symptoms, the period of cycling between mania and depression, and how well one is able to function all come down to the individual.

I have to disagree on your comment about mania, though; I don't think mania can be utilized correctly. Mania always ends in disaster from what I have seen in myself and in others. It can't be controlled. Even hypomania tends to lead to problems. The entire point of controlling bipolar disorder is to prevent mania and depression from ever occurring in the first place. I miss mania, myself, because ideas and creativity would just flow without any effort, but I do not miss ruining close relationships, family ties, almost getting into trouble with the law, having to be locked up in a hospital, and all of the other things that mania brings with it.

Life without mania can be just fine, though. I am still as creative as I ever was, but I have to work on the creative process instead of waiting around for mania's lightning bolt to zap me. Being on meds and being stable doesn't make creativity or intelligence go away, and it certainly doesn't destroy one's personality. At first, yes, it seems that way because of the side effects, but once your body gets used to things everything goes back to normal. I am still sort of in a daze about how much easier life is now without the emotional rollercoaster going on all the time. It's really nice being on an even keel, but I'm still getting used to it :o
 
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Being floridly manic is actually scary as hell for me, I have moments where I realize that i'm out of control, but I can barely do anything about it, it's pure fucking terror. That's what drives me to take meds. Unfortunately I can still convince myself to go off for short periods of time, and then I get hypo-mania, which is ego-syntonic and reinforcing ...
 
I'm going to have to research the disease some more. Hubby wanted to take me to a Dr. Monday ... we have a 4 year old son and I told him I um. I don't think thats a real good idea ... I mean I need some help obviously pretty quickly, but they will put me in a padded cell, in a straight-jacket and put me on suicide watch and Lord only knows what they will do with our son. It would be different if I already had a Dr. but I don't so. I'll stick it out and be strong .. blah, blah, blah ... like I always have.
 
but they will put me in a padded cell, in a straight-jacket and put me on suicide watch and Lord only knows what they will do with our son.

I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from but they are not going to do that to you. This is not the 1950s. Your son will not be taken away from you unless you are threatening to do harm to him, which you're not. You will most likely be referred to a psychiatrist for a psychological assessment and possibly be put on medication, or just assigned a psychotherapy treatment plan. Nothing bad is going to happen <3
 
As far as the high IQ thing, if you start to read five or twenty books on bipolar disorder you will notice that this is quite common among people who have bipolar disorder. We tend to be rather intelligent and creative when compared to the rest of the population. As far as accepting the diagnosis, once you read more about it and learn what it is all about the disorder becomes far less frightening. The disorder is very treatable, but it can be a pain in the neck to find the right medications and therapist for you. Just keep working through your treatment, take the medications, and put the legwork in. Eventually things will come together.

The worst thing that you can do, honestly, is continue to use. I am not perfect, myself, because I still occasionally drink, and in the past I have had many relapses with illicit substances. If I recall correctly, as I believe I wrote earlier in this thread, as many as 60% or more people with bipolar disorder will experience substance abuse issues at some point in their lives.

Things could be much worse. At least these days we have a lot of information about bipolar disorder and how to treat it. If you were schizophrenic you wouldn't have a good chance of recovery and living a normal life. Once you find the right medications and jive with a good therapist, your chances of doing whatever you want in life as a bipolar person are very, very high. The disorder can be a huge hindrance, however; I didn't get my associates degree until age 27. I'm hoping I will finish my bachelors degree before age 31; I probably will, but you never know. Just keep pushing onward at your own pace. The worst thing that you can do is to give up.

I wish I were at a better place in life right now, but comparing where I am now to where I was ten years ago I am very pleased. A diagnosis of bipolar disorder is very far from the end of the world :)



This is simply not true. There are many differences between persons who have bipolar disorder and those who do not have bipolar disorder. I will let you go to the library or Amazon.com to read a few books about bipolar disorder on your own so you don't have to take my word for it, but I will summarize:

The physical brain structure of persons with bipolar disorder differs markedly from those who do not have the disorder. Studies have shown that persons with bipolar disorder tend to have higher IQs and higher levels of creativity than persons without the disorder. The way in which the brains of bipolar people process certain key neurotransmitters is also quite different from mentally healthy people. We have much medical evidence these days that shows without any doubt that bipolar disorder has a rather strong genetic component. Lastly, the symptoms that bipolar people experience are absolutely nothing at all like what mentally healthy people experience in their day-to-day lives.

Mental illness is very real, but unfortunately most people, like yourself, are completely ignorant when it comes to the topic so you just don't know anything about it at all; it isn't taught in public schools as a requirement in health education and most people will never learn about it unless they major in psychology, go to college for psychiatry, or know someone with the disorder.

Guess what, DF, i am a psychology student, ive experienced mental issues, and you, honestly, seem arrogant and undereducated. Creativity and intelligence re associated with everything from bipolar disorder to depression or schizophrenia. The point i was trying to make is that mental disorders are just that, mental. The symptoms that deviate an unhealthy person from a healthy one involve mostly physiological ones, such as mania, anxiety, delusions. They are overdiagnosed, poorly medicated, and under researched.
 
Guess what, DF, i am a psychology student, ive experienced mental issues, and you, honestly, seem arrogant and undereducated. Creativity and intelligence re associated with everything from bipolar disorder to depression or schizophrenia. The point i was trying to make is that mental disorders are just that, mental. The symptoms that deviate an unhealthy person from a healthy one involve mostly physiological ones, such as mania, anxiety, delusions. They are overdiagnosed, poorly medicated, and under researched.

Students don't know much; I am a psychology student, myself. Employed graduates know more. I also live with the disorder, so I know quite a bit about it. As far as coming across as being arrogant, I can only type out my thoughts here and you cannot hear my voice, so we can't have a proper back-and-forth; If we could, you would realize that your judgment is inaccurate, so your opinion is what your opinion is. I beg to differ, though. My opinion, however, is the same as yours: That you appear to be influenced by your own arrogance.

Please remember that you have no way of knowing my level of education or experience in the field and that I have no way of knowing your level of education and experience in the field. Don't you think it would be prudent to abstain from petty arguments that will lead nowhere? All you need to do is read a few books on the subject to realize that what I have stated is accurate.

Focus on contributing to the discussion at hand instead of venting your frustrations toward me (I have nothing to do with that). I can already tell, however, that if you believe I am somehow under-educated when it comes to bipolar disorder you are sadly mistaken. I have lived with this disorder for over 28 years, am intimately acquainted with it, and have been successfully managing it for over three years. If you want to present your own opinion then do so; it is not necessary to needlessly attack other members of the community who only have other members' best interests at heart.

If there is something that you and I can both clear up through PMs, by all means PM me so this matter can be resolved in a civil manner.

Lastly, HippieChick:

They will absolutely not place you in a straitjacket; that sort of thing hardly ever happens these days. If you need to go to an inpatient, short-term treatment facility, it will resemble any other hospital apart from the fact that the doors will be locked. You will participate in a lot of group therapy, will be tried on medications, and will likely only need to be there for one-to-three weeks tops. There are no padded rooms. Almost nothing you read about or see on TV and in the movies is accurate when it comes to depictions of mental illness or the treatment of mental health issues.
 
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im interested in seeing a comparison between brain structures of healthy and otherwise mentally unhealthy people.
 
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