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Investing Thread

Loans aren't investments in and of themselves.

Yes they are. You have to pay it back, and you have to (hopefully) have a good reason to take it out. If paying the interest was worth it then it's a good investment, if not it's a bad investment.

How we spend our time is an investment also.
I am investing hours of my life on bluelight. I'd say it's a pretty good investment considering I'd be on the internet anyway, and you can learn a lot more than simply using the internet for Facebook or Twitter.

That's not to say that I missed the point of what you were trying to do. I like that idea too. I'm too green at investing, and too low on funds, to be able to participate in the game though. I would love to learn the rules that aspect of life. I will soon enough.
 
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The Duplex idea is great. I'm actually in the process of trying to find one for the exact same reason myself. It's definitely a longer-term investment but it pays off great over time.


I like that idea too. I'm too green at investing, and too low on funds, to be able to participate in the game though. I would love to learn the rules that aspect of life. I will soon enough.

We could always do a hypothetical trading thread where you could post trades that you'd make if you had the money, then keep track of how those investments do over time. It'd be kinda like The Motley Fool's CAPS.
 
So basically the last place you want to be looking for financial advise is on bluelight, but having said that, the OP should just take FuturePig's advise and ignore everything else. Pick an index fund or 2 mutual funds (large cap growth & value) and invest in those.
 
Gold.

If it's shares, find a gold corp that is taking over another. Becoming frequent these days. Gold certainly hasn't reached its peak value yet.

Then add more into a few reliable blue chip stocks for longer term.

Any indications of gold going down in the long term, throw it into the longer term blue chip stocks.

Basically, take the obviously increasing stocks which may end up dying long term, and then once you think that'll go titsup, go for something stable.

If you're in Australia (or not) Newcrest is a good one. Find good advice on the net. You don't need to pay a financial advisor if you can get enough solid opinions on one type of investment.

You missed out on getting in on gold when it was cheap, but it's still going to go up quite a bit in the short/mid term.

Be careful about any property market. Although I'd love to buy every house in Detroit and find a gold there one day :P

Oh. And unless you know what you're doing, don't try for an quick bean investments. Investing is about the future, not now.

And diversify. Investing - especially in the stock market - is in a way a very slow game of poker. Sort of.
 
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For anyone interested, after getting absolutely pummeled and down 8% today, Transocean(RIG) is looking like an amazing buy opportunity imo.
 
"Money and Interest are evil...BUT...I invest in Tax Liens...Oh yeah, almost forgot, Tax Collectors are universally reviled EXCEPT by people who invest in Tax Liens.": OK, got it, thanks.

Generic: Gold, not futures but metal is great. Liqud, universally valued BUT it is trading at a level where buying in at 4,000 US is not going to show much of anything. The idea isn't to preserve capital but to multiply assets.

US Savings Bonds for low ball investing are absolutely the best. Where else can one be guranteed a doubling of assets? Gold will not double before my new grandchild reaches adulthood. With Bonds though, unless America implodes that 4K becomes 8K.

Tax Liens, irrespective of who offered the tip, are a great investment but a person needs to really know what they are doing or they will take a beating. More to the point, 4K won't cut it.

MonaLisa: Yes, but that is with a decent investment and also yopu have to remember that stocks are very risky even in the best of times. People hear about UPS, Google and so on and but even those can lose value rapidly, not to mention that 10 to 40 shares isn't even worth trading unless you gain it though some type of employment fringe benefit.

It is next to impossible to preduct splittage, "compounded" equals accrued and so if you buy 10 shares, how much dividends are we talking about? If we are talking Google you can't even get a single share to reinvest it in.

For every winner on the Markets there are scores of losers but they fail to get the publicity.

Michael: Buffet is talking about big investors, pros.

Addictive: Real Estate is great but...Look, 4K is not going to do anything. Let us say you find a duplex in a very low rent area, 140,000 US. Your Credit is acceptable, you need 10% down plus fees, let us round it off, 20K to get started.

For 20,000 you have, assuming it is occupied already on 1 side, a stiff tax burden and unless you are on time you can rest assure someone like G-Dess (hahaha) will be holding that Lien over your head. You have utilities and while it is terrible when YOUR water or electricity falls in arrears and gets shut off you now have a tenant to think about. Tenants have well defined rights. While their electricity should be metered separately water never is. You face stiff fines and even a lawsuit over failure to provide essential services.

Let us say you are getting by by the seat of your pants, month to month barely getting past each mortage check. Then your tenant, for whatever reason, stops paying you rent. Your recourse is Housing Court/Civil Court and that takes months, many, to resolve. By the time it is resolved you can be Foreclosed.

The point is, you shouldn't be looking at property until you are solvent and 4K, while nice to have, isn't going to carry you far.

Me? Let us say I only had 4K, and I wanted property. I would look at my finances and how long it would take me to accumulate the down payment as well as a tidy safety net/cushion. Then I would either by long term CDs, or if it would take in the area of a decade I would go for the Bonds.

A 30 year mortgage can be a real albatross around your neck if you aren't ready for it.
 
Addictive: Real Estate is great but...Look, 4K is not going to do anything. Let us say you find a duplex in a very low rent area, 140,000 US. Your Credit is acceptable, you need 10% down plus fees, let us round it off, 20K to get started.

For 20,000 you have, assuming it is occupied already on 1 side, a stiff tax burden and unless you are on time you can rest assure someone like G-Dess (hahaha) will be holding that Lien over your head. You have utilities and while it is terrible when YOUR water or electricity falls in arrears and gets shut off you now have a tenant to think about. Tenants have well defined rights. While their electricity should be metered separately water never is. You face stiff fines and even a lawsuit over failure to provide essential services.

Let us say you are getting by by the seat of your pants, month to month barely getting past each mortage check. Then your tenant, for whatever reason, stops paying you rent. Your recourse is Housing Court/Civil Court and that takes months, many, to resolve. By the time it is resolved you can be Foreclosed.

The point is, you shouldn't be looking at property until you are solvent and 4K, while nice to have, isn't going to carry you far.

Me? Let us say I only had 4K, and I wanted property. I would look at my finances and how long it would take me to accumulate the down payment as well as a tidy safety net/cushion. Then I would either by long term CDs, or if it would take in the area of a decade I would go for the Bonds.

A 30 year mortgage can be a real albatross around your neck if you aren't ready for it.
Great advice, but I am well aware that I won't get far (anywhere really, lol) in real estate with 4k. The real estate option is for MUCH further down the road.

And it appears that this whole thread may be pointless now--Looks like I'll be investing about $4k for a year's worth of community college. Well, maybe. I don't know yet.

Oh and, as far as having a tenant thing: Yeah, I talked this over with my mom who used to work in real estate... She mentioned how you should make sure you'll be able to pay everything by yourself, then get a tenant who you're 99.9% certain is going to pay. She even mentioned that when I decide to start looking for duplexes/doubles to buy/rent out, get one that has a one or two bedroom unit for myself, and a two bedroom unit for the renter--Three bedroom units attract kids, lawl. Sure, children aren't a bad thing, but they're noisy.
 
Michael: Buffet is talking about big investors, pros.

no, he is talking about the average person, hence the use of the word "most". furthermore, he has said this on many, many occasions when asked what the average person should do.

here is a typical exchange:

Question: "What advice would you give to someone who is not a professional investor? Where should they put their money?"

Answer from Buffett: "Well, if they're not going to be an active investor - and very few should try to do that - then they should just stay with index funds. Any low-cost index fund. And they should buy it over time. They're not going to be able to pick the right price and the right time. What they want to do is avoid the wrong price and wrong stock. You just make sure you own a piece of American business, and you don't buy all at one time."

you can read more about it here: http://www.tiphero.com/tips_443_warren-buffetts-investing-advice-for-the-average-investor.html
 
Until the market drops to decade-old levels and index fund investor start back at square one, which happened just last year.

DAMN YOU WARREN! DAMN YOU TO HELL!
 
How to save $1 million by 65 (from money.cnn)

How to save $1 million by 65

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(Money Magazine) -- Question: I'm 28 and would like to have $1 million by the time I retire at 65. What are some of the investing options I should consider? --Joshua Sin, Fresno, Calif.



Answer: I'm all for savvy investing, and I'll get to what I think you should do on that front in a minute. But let's not forget that when it comes to building wealth, investing alone won't do it.

You also need to save.

I don't care how brilliant an investor you are. If you're not putting away a decent amount of money on a regular basis throughout your career, your chances of accumulating a million bucks are lower than LeBron's chances of getting elected mayor of Cleveland.

To understand what I'm talking about, let's look at a few numbers.

If you begin putting away $100 a month starting now and continue doing so until 2047, the year you'll turn 65, you would need an annual return of roughly 13.5% a year to turn that monthly hundred dollars into a million bucks.

What investment options can deliver a 13.5% annual return for almost 40 years?

None that I know of. A 13.5% long-term annual return is nearly 40% higher than the 9.8% annualized that stocks have gained over the past 80-plus years, and that near-10% figure includes some pretty dramatic run-ups in the '80s and '90s that we may not see again for a long time.

Suffice it to say that it would be wishful thinking to expect anything close to 13.5% over the long run.

If you increase the amount you save, however, you'll see that the return you need to reach your goal becomes more manageable. Save $250 a month until you're 65, for example, and you would need a 10% annualized return to hit that $1 million target.

I still consider that overly optimistic even for an all-stock portfolio, given the prices stocks are selling at today and the uncertainly surrounding the growth prospects here and abroad.

Boost your monthly savings to $400, and the return you need falls to about 8% annually. Possible? I suppose. But perhaps still ambitious. At any rate, it's higher than the 7.8% that companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 index are estimating for their pension plans, according to S&P.

At roughly $500 a month, however, the required return drops to 7% and if you can sock away just under $650 a month, you would need an annual return of about 6% a year. That seems reasonably achievable with a portfolio that contains both stocks and bonds, although not certain.
0:00 /3:01How does your 401(k) stack up?

The idea behind this exercise, however, isn't to make predictions about the long-term returns for stocks and bonds. Rather, my point is to show that the more you save, the less you have to count on lofty returns. It's important to keep that in mind because ultimately we have more control over how much we save than the investment returns we earn.

That said, you don't want to invest so conservatively that you end up having to save so much that you live like an ascetic. You should be willing to take prudent risks, especially when you're young, in hopes of earning a higher rate of return and making your savings burden manageable. But you don't want to invest so aggressively that you're left in the lurch late in life if you don't get the rosy investment performance you'd hoped for.

As for translating that trade off into specific investment options, someone your age who wants a reasonable shot at a seven-figure nest egg at retirement should be investing primarily in stocks. The exact percentage will depend on a number of factors, including how much you're willing to see the value of your investments decline from time to time.

Generally, though, you're probably talking somewhere between 70% and 90% in stocks with the rest in bonds (by which I mean a diversified portfolio of stocks and bonds, along the lines of what you might get combining the total stock market and total bond market funds in our Money 70 list of recommended funds.) The more anxious you get during market downturns, the closer you'll probably want to be to the low point of that range.

Of course, you could go even more conservative, even to the point of not investing in stocks. But such a cautious approach means you'll have to pump up your savings effort quite a bit.

If you'd like to see how your chances of accumulating a million bucks changes with different savings amounts and varying mixes of stocks and bonds, check out Morningstar's Asset Allocator tool.

I'm not sure how you arrived at $1 million as your goal. Maybe it's just a nice big round number. Remember, though, having a million bucks 37 years from now isn't like having that sum today. In fact, assuming a modest 2.5% inflation rate, $1 million in 2047 would be the equivalent of having about $400,000 now. Or, viewed another way, you would need about $2.5 million in 2047 to have the purchasing power of $1 million today.

Finally, rather than shooting for a big lump sum, I think you're better off thinking about how much income you'll eventually have to replace to maintain your standard of living in retirement, and then figuring out what combination of saving and investing, along with other resources like Social Security, gives you a reasonable shot at hitting your goal. T. Rowe Price's Retirement Income Calculator can help you on that score.

Granted, at your current age any estimates you arrive at are going to be rough. After all, a lot can change over the course of 37 years. But if you save diligently, invest reasonably, monitor your progress regularly and make adjustments as you go along, you'll improve your chances of hitting 65 with the level of savings you need, whatever amount that turns out to be. To top of page

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I thought this knowledge might come in handy to a lot of us here. Enjoy, tell us what you think and add anything you might think others might find useful.:D

I put it in homeless because I really didn't know where this could go. Second Opinion?
 
For anyone interested, after getting absolutely pummeled and down 8% today, Transocean(RIG) is looking like an amazing buy opportunity imo.

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I'd like to see a Mutual Fund do THAT.
 
there is a JP morgan russian securities fund that has returned 100% for 6 years, apart from 2008, when it lost 60%
 
ahhh yes....saving 500 dollars a month is a realistic and easy to accomplish goal for people who barely got enough money to put food on the table. even savin 200 is insane. shit, savin 50 bucks a month is impossible for many families.


I aint sayin nothin bad about you zyggy, so dont take it personal, i know you just passin it along. dont shoot the messenger n all that, dont worry. :) Im just sayin that this is completely useless in every way to some of us. i thoguht it would be some kind of interesting and actually not totally predictable kind of thing that would actually be realistic for more people. it makes me laugh that the peoiple writin that article could really think they offering some kind of plan that would be doable for the average person. :| im disappointed i thought i would hear somethin new other than basically, "this dont apply to you, cuz you gotta actually have money to begin with , so nevermind this article and go back to your coupon cutting."
 
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