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2010 World Cup, South Africa

South America is well known for drums, whistles etc beating throughout football matches so I don't see it as a real problem.(Hell you should go to the cricket in the West Indies and sit next to a steel drum and horn section). Mind you it would shit me if I was sitting in the stadium right next to 20 of those horns.


I'm no sound engineer but how hard is it to for the background sound levels to be lowered in television broadcasts?
 
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It's bugging me. Noise I don't mind - chanting and singing and everything else, great. Bands playing, great. But the vuvuzela is kinda different - it's not being blown in response to the game itself. It's an ongoing din that occurs for the sake of making a din. It happens no matter how good or how bad the game is...rather than rising and falling in line with the rhythm of the game... I'd much rather hear the chants of the fans themselves, but I haven't noticed much of that - though the English did well occasionally, as did the US.

But it's not the end of the world, obviously :)

This and what alasdair said, both ring true for me. In other words... I'm torn. I agree that it adds to the unique atmosphere that is South Africa, but as with what IJ suggested, I like the noise to be in sync with the rhythm of the game. The singing generates an energy that you can literally feel whether you're watching the game on TV or in person (not that I've been to a match of THIS magnitude, but I was at an international friendly a couple years back between the US and Venezuela where the crowds' chants and singing were electric).

I'll put it this way... if the vuvuzela stays, it won't bother me, but if it goes, I'm sure I'll enjoy it just as much. Probably a little more.
 
South America is well known for drums, whistles etc beating throughout football matches so I don't see it as a real problem.(Hell you should go to the cricket in the West Indies and sit next to a steel drum and horn section). Mind you it would shit me if I was sitting in the stadium right next to 20 of those horns.


I'm no sound engineer but how hard is it to for the background sound levels to be lowered in television broadcasts?

lol, sorry dude, had to point it out.

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That's the news station in Chicago. MUCH bigger fail.
 
I am aware that is being played in Africa, but South America has hosted it many times over the years (and Mexico has twice), all with loud over enthusiastic crowds. You can't tell me the Mexican wave of 86 would have been fucking annoying as all hell. I have watched a rugby test match from Buenos Aires and you couldn't hear the commentators at all.


I'd prefer the horns to fireworks and a moat though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMTQDvE3e7c&feature=related
 
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LOL at Chicago not knowing their continents :p

On the vuvezelas....for me it is an ambient part of the game when watching on tv...no bother. If I'm there, it is annoying as hell, especially if you're stuck in a group of them :\

Lucky me, I just got DVR a few days before the games started - been recording them all. Have had enough time to watch about half a match (at double speed) :! I need the world to stop for a day or two and let me camp out and catch up!
 
Ban on vuvuzelas will not be considered
By Andrew Warshaw, Johannesburg

No more discussion, no more debate. If you can't stand them, turn the sound down. Mexican drums may be banned but those multi-coloured plastic trumpets - loathed by some, adored by others - are here to stay.

Nothing has generated more controversy at the World Cup so far than vuvuzelas. Supporters claim they form an integral part of African culture and this is, after all, Africa's World Cup.

Critics respond that they drown out all the usual sounds associated with football - the oohs and aahs, the singing and chanting - and are detrimental to the game.

For 24 hours, World Cup CEO Danny Jordaan, the public face of the tournament, had the world thinking we might have seen the last of the horn-like instruments and their constant piercing din resembling an angry swarm of wasps. Jordaan, when asked in an interview if he would get rid of them, answered: "If there are grounds to do so, yes. We did say that if any land on the pitch in anger we will take action."

French skipper Patrice Evra has already blamed the noise generated by the vuvuzelas for his side's poor showing in their opening group game against Uruguay, which finished goalless.

"We can't sleep at night and we can't hear one another out on the pitch," said the Manchester United full back.

Commentators and broadcasters have complained they can't hear themselves speak and Jordaan conceded that he would ideally prefer the kind of singing associated with games in Europe and with South Africa's struggle against apartheid.

As long ago as this time last year, Spanish hotshot Fernando Torres complained about vuvuzelas at the Confederations Cup and Jordaan's comments were viewed in some quarters as a timely death knell for the things. Not so. Just the opposite in fact according to organising committee spokesman Rich Mkhonda.

Putting the record straight, he stressed on Monday that Jordaan's quotes were conditional upon vuvuzelas being used for any other purpose than blowing. "They characterise this World Cup, just like other World Cups like in Mexico had their own way of celebrating," Mkhonda said. "Vuvuzelas are here to stay and will never be banned. Their history is ingrained in the history of South Africa."

Yes, but what about the 80-year history of the tournament? Don't the majority of teams, non-African countries who have played in the World Cup for decades, deserve better treatment, let alone the billions of armchair fans watching on television?

Again Mkhonda refused to yield. "If you go back in history, vuvuzelas emanate from the horns used by our forefathers to call meetings. It's a way for fans to express themselves, and not just football fans. rugby fans embraced the vuvuzela at the recent Super 14 and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are used in cricket in the future."

You must be joking. The prospect of a five-day Test match being accompanied by the screeching din of vuvuzelas is too far-fetched to contemplate. Mkhonda insists they are no longer a domestic phenomenon, however, pointing to the thousands of Dutch and Danish fans blowing their horns in Johannesburg on Monday. "We don't believe people are losing out in terms of other expressions of support. Besides, let's not make the vuvuzela a purely South African instrument any more. People buy them and stuff them in their suitcases to take home. The debate will never end. You either love them or hate them - and we love them."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/796347/ce/uk/?cc=5901&ver=us
 
It's great that the World Cup is streamed live on ESPN3 in HD Online. You can also go back and watch patch matches, and they have the highlights setup on the video so you can click on a highlight, it will tell why it's a highlight, and it comes up.

Anyways, I HATE Italy. In the 2006 World Cup the Italy vs Australia match was an AMAZING game, one of the best and most intense matches I've seen in the cups. Ever minute of that game had my heart pounding. Amazing shots, saves, etc.

However, the cheating Italian team ruined the game. Although some say that Australia was a lowly team who just managed to get to that spot in the tournament by holding their points, they were by far the underdog, and managing to get to that level was a great accomplishment. Then, when they played an amazing game, justifying their position, it was great. After such a great game, in the last minute of time, an Italian player manages to control the ball and move it, then takes a dive, and people say it wasn't planned, c'mon!

Then they go on to win the cup! They won because of a cheat, and it's rediculus.

Atleast today they tied, better than a win, but I am rooting with all my heart and soul that they lose.

My three teams: USA, England, Aussies
 
It's bugging me. Noise I don't mind - chanting and singing and everything else, great. Bands playing, great. But the vuvuzela is kinda different - it's not being blown in response to the game itself. It's an ongoing din that occurs for the sake of making a din. It happens no matter how good or how bad the game is...rather than rising and falling in line with the rhythm of the game... I'd much rather hear the chants of the fans themselves, but I haven't noticed much of that - though the English did well occasionally, as did the US.

Mate tbh I dont quite understand what the carry on is all about. I went back and checked some of my champions league tapes and the noise is no different at all.

I think its been highlighted by people who are not used to watching top level football.

I will however admit that I tuned into the 3D channel for a few seconds and the commentary on that is different and the outside noise is much louder. Maybe we are just being treated well by our SBS (Soccer Broadcasting Station).
 
lol, sorry dude, had to point it out.

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That's the news station in Chicago. MUCH bigger fail.

OMG. And yet somehow it doesnt surprise me..............a legendary Chasers interview with average Americans comes to mind. That and an American once asking me what state of the USA Australia was in.
 
I know here in Germany the Vuvuzelas were reeeaaallllly loud on TV during the first half of the South Africa / Mexico game (almost couldn't hear the announcers), and were quite noticeably more quiet the second half. The loudness has remained at a normal big game volume on TV since then. I am glad they are so serious about their football here, and fixed things promptly. They said there was almost consistently 105 decibels of noise in the stadium during that game.
 
Sincere apologies to the neighbours and the little lady who has an early start tomorrow, but.......

You.Fucking.Beauty!!!!

NZ 1 Slovakia 1

No chance of sleeping now.
 
I still don't believe you were talking about South America initially but ok.

Busty knows his sport. I can assure you he was talking about South America :)

But more importantly: REEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIID!!!!!!!!

Nothing, but nothing, beats an injury-time goal to save the game against a better team. Ears still ringing, throat still sore from celebrating =D
 
Wow, North korea 0-0 Brazil at half time...North Korea playing really really well, very interesting to watch.
 
OMG. And yet somehow it doesnt surprise me..............a legendary Chasers interview with average Americans comes to mind. That and an American once asking me what state of the USA Australia was in.

How do you know that was an 'average American' you saw on TV? I think your dislike of Americans might cloud your understanding of what an average American is (this includes much of the world IMO). I would bet 99.9% of Americans know that SOUTH AFRICA isn't in South America and understand the difference between the two. I can't imagine ANYBODY I know asking 'what US state Australia was in'... we're not all entire idiots. That person clearly had an IQ below 100. 8)
 
Wow, North korea 0-0 Brazil at half time...North Korea playing really really well, very interesting to watch.

Definitely. They played well considering they're playing Brazil.

The commentators here in the US mentioned that the 'North Korean fans' aren't actually fans at all but Chinese actors paid to cheer on NK. That's soooo fucking weird. They're OBSESSED with their insulation.
 
Mate tbh I dont quite understand what the carry on is all about. I went back and checked some of my champions league tapes and the noise is no different at all.

I think its been highlighted by people who are not used to watching top level football.

I will however admit that I tuned into the 3D channel for a few seconds and the commentary on that is different and the outside noise is much louder. Maybe we are just being treated well by our SBS (Soccer Broadcasting Station).

It's not the noise level that people are bothered by, it's the relentless annoying sound. I don't mind loud crowds, but that vuvuzela is just a constant buzz. It didn't bother me at first either, but the more I hear about it, the more it's starting to get on my nerves. Partially because it really is an annoying sound, but also because I'm sick of the American media not shutting up about it. Most of them probably only care about the games the US are in anyways.

Now, that being said, I'm still under the belief that you can't get rid of the vuvuzelas. They're a part of what makes the South African World Cup so unique. Imagine years down the road when these players are talking to their kids/grandkids/nieces/nephews/etc. "The vuvuzela's were unreal. It was a constant din for 90 minutes, so loud we couldn't hear one another on the pitch." I think it adds to the intensity. Maybe not so much to the occasional viewer, but the atmosphere there must be ridiculous. I'm sure there's a good portion of people there who hate the things, but c'mon... you're at the World Cup... I'm sure there are worse situations to be in.

Also... as far as the games go. I'm a day behind. I've worked so many hours lately that I've been collecting the games. I'm trying to get caught back up so that I can watch them at their regular times again. I'll watch the occasional game live, but some of the lower tiered squads, I don't mind catching at a later time when it's replayed.
 
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