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im sure some weirdo has mentioned this one:

valis by philip k dick

1. its awesome and gets better over time
2. horselover fat
 
Center of the Cyclone: Looking into Inner Space by John C. Lilly

The Deep Self: Consciousness Exploration in the Isolation Tank (Consciousness Classics) by John C. Lilly

The dyadic cyclone: The autobiography of a couple by John C. Lilly

Simulations of God by John C. Lilly

Just discovered Lilly he is one of the most fascinating people I have ever read his experiments with ketamine, LSD, isolation tanks and dolphins along with his knowledge of psychology, and neuroanatomy makes him a great read. I rate him up there with Alan Watts, Timothy Leary, and Robert Anton Wilson. No one else to my knowledge has taken that amount of psychedelic compounds in a deprivation tank as long as he has, he was certainly exploring the frontiers of consciousness and drew fascinating maps of the territory.
 
A really fun book,one that had me a few times wanting jump up and chear is Battlefield Earth by L.Ron Hubbard. Please dont get this one mixed up with the movie, for the movie was just wrong. John Trovalta I believe had something to do with it,many years ago L.Ron Hubbard and many great of the time sci-fi writers were there a bet was made that L.Ron Hubbard could not start his own religion and low and behold we now have the church of scientology.I dont think L ron had any idea what he was starting.John Travolta is a member and as a tribute to thier mentor L ron he made the movie most likely for free. The editorial review library journal said "an excellent book transformed into one of the worst B-movies ever" and I agree. Take star wars,raiders of the lost ark,rocky 1-2-3 put em together and you have battlefield earth,written in 13 or more languages. The book is about a race of beings that find one of our voyager probes,the one we put the gold disc on with a map on where earth is located,the aliens find it and think what idiots did this, precious metal and where it is, they come, kill all but a few, a thousand years pass,the remnants of humans left dont have a clue,one kid asks why do we have to live up here in the mountains its cold food is scarce,it looks great down there,he is told there are monsters there,he says bullshit gets on his horse and goes to see.The book is like 850 pgs. as thick as the stand and better.
 
I wanted to thank blah blah for his many recomendations,I wrote down 9 of them and plan to get em.Many are of opiate addiction something I can relate to from a lifetime of it.
 
Hi, I'm new to Bluelight. I like reading decent books that relate to prostitution and heroin use, two big parts of my life. Rereading "Pimp" by Iceberg Slim right now. He wrote a very engrossing book called "Mama Black Widow", a family saga where one of the main characters is a bisexual drag queen. Supposedly this was being made into a film last year, but it seems it never actually was released -- not sure what's going on with it. Anyway, his writing style is kind of campy, has a lot of cool slang, and gives a picture of underworld life in a few different cities at various times between the 40's and 70's -- very interesting to me. Some of his stories are more on the comedic side, some more "real". His books would all make excellent films, but the only one that ever came out as far as i know is "Trick Baby" about a guy who looks totally white but his mom was a black hooker, and he is a young con man who is partnered up with an older guy, and it's about the last couple of scams they pull. The fact that he looks white means he can pull certain type of cons that others that are in his "profession" in his neighborhood cannot. If anyone is reading this, i would like to mention/introduce a few much more obscure authors i read recently.
 
Joyce Carol Oates

Anyone in this forum read any Joyce Carol Oates? I am looking for recommendations to get from my library. I have read her short novella Beasts and am going to get another of her novellas, Rape: A love Story and The collector of hearts: new tales of the grotesque from my library.

I am looking for any recommendations really if anyone is familiar with her work. I am not sure what novel to check out though. It is easy to just grab a novella since they are short.

Just curious to know if anyone on here was familiar with her work or had any suggestions, thanks!

This is an old post, but i thought i'd reply since i have read a lot of her work but it's been so long i can't remember titles. but i will say her short stories from the mid to late 60's are really quite involving, and i think worth reading.
 
The Quark and the Jaguar by Murray Gell-Man. The way he connects the fundamental laws of physics with the complexity and diversity of the natural world is nothing short of incredible
 
Stars in my Pocket like Grains of Sand by Samuel R. Delany is great. Pretty much anything by Delany is great, but this one strikes me as perhaps his most interesting book in terms of the actual writing itself. Science fiction has been given an unfairly bad literary reputation. Philip K. Dick is another example of an amazing literary mind who wrote science fiction, but I think Delany is more interesting. I actually think Delany should be considered among the great writors of the 1900s.

The Sound and the Fury by Faulkner is also a great book that I've just recently gotten started on, and I've recently been re-reading The Counterfeiters by Gide which is an interesting book, although I might quit reading it and read something else by Gide or maybe someone else because I think The Counterfeiters suffers from the near constant rambling of the characters (a lot of novels by great French writers seem to have this problem). It's a very good book and I recomend it, but it kinda just goes on and on without getting to much of a point or having much activity other then dialogue and inner monologue.

I recently finished 100 Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, which I highly recomend as well.
 
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Jack Kerouac & W.S. Burroughs And The Hippos Were Boiled in Their Tanks

Ive just finished reading that and it was a pretty enjoyable and easy read especially after being interested in those authors for ages
 
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Just finished reading Hell's Angel's by Hunter S. Thompson.

I would highly recommend it to anyone who likes to read about America during the 60s.
 
John Fowles - The Magus; the most fascinating novel ever written?

Has anyone read John Fowles' The Magus? It's difficult for me to comprehend how such a work was thought of; moreso that it was written down; and how enrapturing the storyline is. Any thoughts from Fowles' readers (works also include The Collector and The French Lieutenant's Woman)?

~ vaya
 
one of the few books i returned to the library without finishing. i was incredibly disappointed at the lacklustre symbolism constantly spurring the plot onwards and even moreso at the condescending tone the book seems to convey. the whole thing felt so absurdly high-brow that it was annoying to get as far as i did.

apparently, fowles wrote the book based on his own experiences in forgotten greece. i found the imagery in the magus quite compelling and it was actually why i kept reading even when i didn't want to. but why he chose to liven it up with a clusterfuck of philosophical wanking is something i might not even understand if i ever care to.

imho, the deptford trilogy by davies is far superior to the magus, both in the plot department, as well as in the jungian elements/symbolism. fowles dove so deep into the philosophy that maybe he forgot he was writing a fiction and completely flopped in creating suspense or sustaining any mystery. davies, on the other hand, came through with a grand slam on all fronts and, thankfully keeping the reader in mind, actually answers questions along the way.

admitedly though, i never finished the magus. i just felt too much like a sucker for being treated as just as much a puppet as the main character. for like, 400 pages. yeah. annoying.
 
if you can explain why i should give this a shot, i totally will!

but i tend to like more advanced-tier stuff like eco, joyce, borges, etc.

if its one of those "books for people who love books" i'll probably enjoy it!
 
one of the few books i returned to the library without finishing. i was incredibly disappointed at the lacklustre symbolism constantly spurring the plot onwards and even moreso at the condescending tone the book seems to convey. the whole thing felt so absurdly high-brow that it was annoying to get as far as i did.

apparently, fowles wrote the book based on his own experiences in forgotten greece. i found the imagery in the magus quite compelling and it was actually why i kept reading even when i didn't want to. but why he chose to liven it up with a clusterfuck of philosophical wanking is something i might not even understand if i ever care to.

imho, the deptford trilogy by davies is far superior to the magus, both in the plot department, as well as in the jungian elements/symbolism. fowles dove so deep into the philosophy that maybe he forgot he was writing a fiction and completely flopped in creating suspense or sustaining any mystery. davies, on the other hand, came through with a grand slam on all fronts and, thankfully keeping the reader in mind, actually answers questions along the way.

admitedly though, i never finished the magus. i just felt too much like a sucker for being treated as just as much a puppet as the main character. for like, 400 pages. yeah. annoying.

That's a really interesting take on the tone of the book; I hadn't looked at it from that angle, and I respect your freedom to do so and express your dissatisfaction with it. Speaking from my mind only, I enjoy an author who is, by virtue of his own philosophical dominance, a literary 'magician' of sorts, as I enjoyed being as much a puppet as the protagonist is. It's a highly psychological ride, reading the book. Fowles does quite a job of altering your perceptions of each character's integrity slowly, almost hypnotically, so that, all of a sudden, you're 100 pages further into the book with a completely different, newly skeptical and totally fascinating perspective of what's going to happen. This fascination, for me, is coupled with a high level of wonder and I do admit also that I am entranced by the way he describes the physical beauty of Greece - It's wonderful. And the way he writes, the little bits of oddly eccentric descriptors of the situation between spoken sentences. If the goal of any piece of literature is to make the reader feel that he/she is actually experiencing the story when reading, Fowles achieves that goal with stunning clarity.

We're all entitled to our opinions, though, and I respect your differing perspective of this book. I do not find the book pretentious or condescending - but I've stopped reading far too many books due to that factor and I really did not find Fowles' highly drawn-out plot sequences or set descriptions too long or unnecessary. The Magus is a book that, due to its involvement, allows me to to really bond with it. Like a Daniel Mason or Haruki Murakami novel.

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if you can explain why i should give this a shot, i totally will!

I would recommend The Magus to anyone, and hopefully this frank attempt at describing my feelings for this book more thoroughly can sway your opinion, pallidamors, about picking up the book!

The Magus bends my mind; it frustrates me; it challenges and involves me in ways that make this book and this writer total rarities. I feel highly privileged to have been exposed to it. In some ways, Fowles' thoroughness reminds me completely of Borges' descriptions in his writing (whom I also enjoy immensely).


~ vaya
 
indeed, fowles is a true artist the way he described the grecian island. i have to give him big credit for being able to "paint" with such clarity that i never felt overburdened with details, yet could envision, for example, conchis' house so fully that i could sketch it on paper if asked. it was like he planted a memory in my mind of events i've never experienced. following along kind of felt like being in a dream state, and so i can definitely see the appeal of being tethered to the protagonist.

i'm a very critical reader so yeah my entire dislike of the book stems from a distrust of fowles' narrative which i couldn't overcome. this is the reason i mentioned robertson davies. he's the same kind of talented, cocky bastard as fowles comes across as but doesn't play the reader like a lute. if you like that sort of thing then i'm sure the theatrics and psychological puzzles presented are necessary to really complete the experience.
 
I loved The Collector - it really got under my skin as a young girl living alone in New Orleans, I remember scaring myself almost to tears biking home alone in the wee hours of the morning one night, just because I let my imagination go too far.
So of course, I ran to pick up The Magus, and hated it. I could not care if -spoiler, removed-, I had an extremely hard time finishing it. :(
 
I loved The Collector - it really got under my skin as a young girl living alone in New Orleans, I remember scaring myself almost to tears biking home alone in the wee hours of the morning one night, just because I let my imagination go too far.
So of course, I ran to pick up The Magus, and hated it. I could not care if -spoiler, removed-, I had an extremely hard time finishing it. :(

Finish it!! That's my second favorite book of his, a MAGNIFICENT piece of literature. However, I have yet to read The French Lieutenant's Woman (his most acclaimed piece of writing).

~ vaya
 
I did finish it.

Oh... well, kudos on a job well done! ;)

If I may ask - what are your thoughts on Fowles' writing style? What do you love about it, and what, if anything, turns you away?

~ vaya
 
magus was great, i couldnt put it down. after i read it, i asked myself "what the hell just happened?" (in a good way). i was absolutely spellbound.
 
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