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Cow Palace rave 1 death 11 hospitalized

I was there, was my first rave ever.

For next year's event, they really need to allow people to leave the arena floor through those bigger exits. If you were there, you know what I mean. Until they closed down entrance into the arena floor towards the end of the night, getting in and out of the floor was an absolute struggle. Very difficult. If you're starting to have some problems you're going to be a lot less likely to go cool off or get help when it's that hard to leave/re-enter.

Truly tragic occurrence that takes away from an otherwise great night.
 
That was the most pointless article. I'm annoyed that it sheds no light on what happened and it seemed more speculation then anything else. It's sad to think of deaths in any community and my heart goes out to the families and loved ones. And god speed for a quick recovery for all who are sick
 
My favorite money grabbing scam is how they sell you water for $5 a bottle, and take the lid off so you can't re-close it, you have to hold it upright in your hand the whole time, no pockets, bags or setting it on the ground.

I agree with others who have said that things like this make me sad for the future of dance culture and its events. Denying people water and a place to safely cool off seems inhumane.
 
They could sell water for $0.50 a bottle and still make a profit. A case of 30 bottles is really cheap! They'd probably sell more water and things like THIS wouldn't happen. At most raves I've been to, water is an afterthought by most people. People buy their tickets, their drugs, glowsticks or whatever, and then if they're lucky they have some money left over for what is probably the most important part of the night.

I think it's simple economics. Lots of people are just going to go without water if the price is jacked too high; not everyone practices proper harm reduction or prepares for such insane prices. Higher cost = less demand. They could simply increase the demand AND safety of the event by charging much less for one of life's necessities.

I'd love to see a promoter set a new standard and give themselves a good reputation for not ripping people off on water.
 
I think it'd actually be a good idea to offer free water as people come in/buy tickets. You can also sell water too for those who lose their bottles or realize that they really do need them. Jack up the prices a $1 or 2, it'd be worth it for everyone to be able to get a water as they enter the event.
 
This is really sad and I hope at the very least the community can figure out what pill(s) caused this. My heart goes out to those hospitalized and I hope for a full recovery for them all.
 
pop ticket = 70$. Water = 5$. Seriously? They should be making enough bank from the ticket prices. Should just give each person a bottle of water when they get their ticket scanned. Or better yet, add the 5$ water price to the ticket price and still hand out the water. This way the promoters get paid and the raver gets guaranteed water.
 
queenbee1127 said:
My favorite money grabbing scam is how they sell you water for $5 a bottle, and take the lid off so you can't re-close it, you have to hold it upright in your hand the whole time, no pockets, bags or setting it on the ground.

I agree with others who have said that things like this make me sad for the future of dance culture and its events. Denying people water and a place to safely cool off seems inhumane.
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Your claim about taking the cap off being a "money grabbing scam" is ridiculous. I've actually worked at a music venue for several years, and they do that to keep people safe. The venue that I worked out, several years ago (before they were forced to take your cap) someone threw a full bottle of water on stage and hit one of the performers, hurting them pretty badly. I saw this also happen at warped tour last year, I was working at a booth near one of the shitty stages, and someone threw a full bottle at the singer, that stage stopped right away. If you didn't take the cap from the person who bought a drink from you, you were fired immediately if caught. In this case, it's not about money, it's about safety. I'm pretty sure that at all Aramark/Livenation supported venues they force the cap rule, because people have gotten hurt and people do get hurt. Imagine someone at a football game throws a full bottle of soda from the third tier, if the bottle hits anyone, especially a player, the shit hits the fan. Someone WILL get hurt if they don't at least TRY and enforce this rule.
 
TearItDown said:
Your claim about taking the cap off being a "money grabbing scam" is ridiculous. I've actually worked at a music venue for several years, and they do that to keep people safe. The venue that I worked out, several years ago (before they were forced to take your cap) someone threw a full bottle of water on stage and hit one of the performers, hurting them pretty badly. I saw this also happen at warped tour last year, I was working at a booth near one of the shitty stages, and someone threw a full bottle at the singer, that stage stopped right away. If you didn't take the cap from the person who bought a drink from you, you were fired immediately if caught. In this case, it's not about money, it's about safety. I'm pretty sure that at all Aramark/Livenation supported venues they force the cap rule, because people have gotten hurt and people do get hurt. Imagine someone at a football game throws a full bottle of soda from the third tier, if the bottle hits anyone, especially a player, the shit hits the fan. Someone WILL get hurt if they don't at least TRY and enforce this rule.
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It's understandable, in a safety sense, but to anyone who has no inclination to throw full bottles of $5 water around it looks like a scam. I'd be pretty pissed if I had to pay $5 every time I wanted to get a drink.
 
Dahli said:
It's understandable, in a safety sense, but to anyone who has no inclination to throw full bottles of $5 water around it looks like a scam. I'd be pretty pissed if I had to pay $5 every time I wanted to get a drink.
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Many people have no intention of throwing their drinks at performers or at other people, but, much like the unfortunate deaths at Cow Palace, one person can ruin it for everyone. When I worked at music venue in sales, water was $4 (later moved up to 4.50). Sure, it sucks, it's expensive (and I got everything for free lol) but that's what every venue does. They know they can only make tickets so expensive, so they sell the food/drinks for a lot. That's how the industry is, for the most part. Some places are more accommodating (Bonnaroo I think is REAL good about it, because they actually TRY), and some try and fuck you out of every penny you have. From someone who worked in the industry for years, take it from me, and either make friends with workers at venues who can give you free stuff (some can't, and some things can never be given away for free), or bring at least $20-30 extra (after tickets) per day. Better safe than sorry, isn't that one of the main points behind BL?
 
I still think it's a completely crap policy that they claim is for safety. Yeah one dumbass ruins it for everyone, but 99.5% of people just want the water to drink. Some venues have this same policy for items like glow sticks, still completely ridiculous.

Plus, if it wasn't a scam for money, why would they charge so much for a bottle that could only be used once in the first place? The bottle itself, brand new costs them maybe 50 cents. Even selling it for $2.00 gives them a 300% profit, jacking the price up to $4 or $5 is just excessive. They know that in temperatures of 100+ degrees, and with people on drugs they're going to have to buy the water no matter what, so they just take complete advantage of the situation instead of being stand up human beings and legitimately caring about people's health and "safety".

For the one musician who gets clocked with a water bottle because the venue let them keep the cap on, there are 100 kids who get carted away from raves because of dehydration. Sounds super safe to me.
 
i want to get one thing straight.
yeah POP was hot and what not but this has been THEE ONLY skills event where this happened. They opened the side rooms at the cow palace with chairs and seats for people as well as opened up an outdoor area. The ventilation problem is a venue issue, not the people promoting the event. Skills always throws great events.
regarding the deaths, yeah its sad and what not, but some people make stupid mistakes when it comes to drug use and listening to their body. Pop isnt the only event where people have died....shit happens, life goes on. It wasn't like the guy popped 1 pill and was barred from water the whole night.
Regarding water price, it is the venue who charges the prices. Have any of you been to sporting events? other concerts? water usually runs from 3-5 bucks...its not unusual.
Regarding high ticket prices...look at the line up and ask each of those DJ's to take less money before complaining about ticket price. The Dj's got to get paid, the people working have to be paid etc etc...
 
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