Disaster looms as oil slick reaches US coast

[aanallein]

I love the drawing but do you realize how much pressure there is being exerted? It could probably force it's way through a massive amount of material. A concrete slab of some sort is a single very very large object. Debris is not going to have the same power to work against it.

 

[moonyham]

I love the drawing but do you realize how much pressure there is being exerted? It could probably force it's way through a massive amount of material. A concrete slab of some sort is a single very very large object. Debris is not going to have the same power to work against it.

Well you wouldnt be using hand grenades obviously. The explosives used would have to be either nuclear or other highly powerful explosives.

If i was in charge of this disaster(if only!), my first attempt would be what youve just talked about. Infact i mentioned it a couple pages ago, i wouldnt simply use a block, it would have thrusters/rockets on it to push it as hard as possible against the sea bed.

Another method using explosives would be how ive shown in the picture, but instead of at the surface/seabed, they would be drilled down and be running parallell to the well, this would probably be more effective.

 

[bit_pattern]

This is what I'm saying.

This is worse than Bush in Katrina. This is of a global magnitude.

Wrong on both counts.

A. Katrina caused over 1800 deaths, the damage bill was well over $80 billion

B. While this disaster is reprehensible there have been leaks of a similar magnitude in the Gulf before (1979), it wasn't global and the Gulf recovered.

C. This is an American-centric disaster, Nigeria has leaks of his magnitude multiple times every year, it just doesn't get the same press coverage.

Be outraged, sure, it will hopefuly be the impetus we need to start reining in Big Oil, but at the same time keep shit in perspective, these pricks are doing this sort of thing all of the time, it's just that this time it has happened in your backyard

 

[missunderstood]

listening to your complain about "your state" and how its going to be fucked is making me sick.

I agree only because it's not affecting just ONE state it is and will affect the United States so he is not alone. Nature is being attacked and the price will be paid..we wanted comfort..so tell me is this comfortable to you? For me I wish we lived back in the day when life was not so complex and not so easy as it now,with all our technology , our fancy gas grills, our fast cars, our land fills, all these things seem to help us tremendously in our every day life at the moment. And I am guilty as well, after all I drive a car and use electric as well. I do not want to come off as hypocritical, but in the long run it is gonna make us pay for all our little extras we have added ... yeah we pay money now, but what will be the ultimate paycheck we hand over? Our Children....they will be the ones that a raw deal..at least that is my opinion. I am no scientist but I do pay attention to allot of things, I have taken note as to what is being reported by scientists from around the world, and the earth appears to be danger. And I am very concerned. I work in a small store in the country and I asked the owner of one of the larger farms in our county how he felt about this disaster. He was fast with his reply. He said "I don't think that our government should pay a God Damn dime towards that clean up!" So there I had it, farmers that are worth a million are more concerned with their TAX PAYER DOLLARS then the EARTH???????? It was sad to hear someone be so controlled by his bank account. The earth happens to be his biggest asset. So I got to thinking, when he sits down in his easy chair and turns on his big screen T.V. with the surround sound and turns the evening news on I am assuming he pays close attention to his money, but hears nothing else. Perfect example of selfishness and greed. For me the news is becoming more grim and people are beginning to disappoint me.

 

[beamers]

For me I wish we lived back in the day when life was not so complex and not so easy as it now,with all our technology , our fancy gas grills, our fast cars, our land fills, all these things seem to help us tremendously in our every day life at the moment.

Oh go raise a barn already.8):D

 

[Unbreakable]

BP announced they are giving up trying to stop this oil leak till the relief wells are dug..

They seem to have made the flow worse with their latest attempt..

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vide...&tab=9482931&section=6087493&playlist=&page=1

Industry insiders are saying august is a dream and more like november baring any hurricanes...

wtf are we gonna do people?

get the military on it?

or just sit and watch the gulf die while we count on BP to FAIL AGAIN in august...


BP Stock Falling Off a Cliff...Down 13% today and dropping like a sinking ship..

 

[Jamshyd]

^ I'd jerk off to a headline proclaiming BP going bankrupt.

 

[drscience]

Yeah, good one, genius! Suppose you've never used plastic in your life either? Or eaten food harvested by machines and grown with fertiliser etc etc etc 8)

so your saying that i have no way to live without (petroleum) oil? (or lack the will to try to be more aware as a consumer)?

stfu bit pattern.

modern convenience will be our downfall. :/

i work for an asphalt roofing company. we mainly use asphalt based shingles and membranes. they are currently the cheapest roofing alternative because there is so much asphalt left from refining or whatever. (we also offer recycled material shingles, aluminum and cedar) im just trying to say, maybe if people weren't so fixated on going for cheap and quick, (like single passenger cars, cheap roof tiles, bottled water) we wouldn't be fucking up the earth so much.

 

[Unbreakable]

Federal Government Opens Criminal Investigation of Gulf Oil Spill

louisiana -- Attorney General Eric Holder said Tuesday that federal authorities have opened criminal and civil investigations into America's worst oil spill, and BP lost billions in market value when shares dropped in the first trading day since the company failed yet again to plug the gusher.

Investors presumably realized the best chance to stop the leak was months away and there was no end in sight to the cleanup. As BP settled in for the long-term, Holder announced the criminal probe, though he would not specify the companies or individuals that might be targeted.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-opens-criminal-investigation-gulf-oil-spill/

 

[missunderstood]

Very funny....what is your opinion the spill? Or is it that comedians don't have one? I am gonna cry now because you are making fun of my post..you ruined an otherwise perfect day!

Oh go raise a barn already.8):D

 

[Unbreakable]

NOAA Expands Fishing Closed Area in Gulf of Mexico

NOAA has extended the northern and southern boundaries of the closed fishing area in the Gulf of Mexico to capture portions of the slick moving into waters off eastern Alabama and the western tip of the Florida panhandle, as well as some large patches of sheen moving onto the west Florida shelf and southward to Cuban waters.

This federal closure does not apply to any state waters. Closing fishing in these areas is a precautionary measure to ensure that seafood from the Gulf will remain safe for consumers.

The closed area now represents 75,920 square miles, which is slightly more than 31 percent of Gulf of Mexico federal waters. This leaves more than 68 percent of Gulf federal waters available for fishing. The closure will be effective at 6:00 p.m. EDT. Details can be found at http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/. The last closed area modification was May 31, when 61,854 square miles were closed to fishing, or roughly 26 percent of federal waters of the Gulf.

Source:

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100601_closure.html

From what i here it is hitting some parts of Florida/Alabama & Mississippi Already....


A friend of mine from Alabama just posted this for his Facebook friends :

WARNING: All Alabama Gulf Coast waters are closed for recreational and commercial use. Oyster beds closed at 3pm. Oil has been confirmed on portions of Dauphin Island and other Alabama areas. The area has been confirmed toxic.

It just makes me sick....god be with all of you


The true point here is that today is day 1 of the season and already active. BP says wait until August. This is just going to get worse and we WILL have a bad one and it WILL change life as you know it.

 

[missunderstood]

yes it will, sad isn't it..?

 

[beamers]

Very funny....what is your opinion the spill? Or is it that comedians don't have one? I am gonna cry now because you are making fun of my post..you ruined an otherwise perfect day!

I'll have you know that: that lined killed.

I have made my thoughts on the oil spill clear. This is just another spanner we've thrown in nature's cycle all for the sake of economic growth that enables further mass consumption. The corruption of the oligarchs and democratic governments is pervasive, there is no such thing as a "fair" playing field and the proletariat has no recourse. There are no checks and balances. There is only greed and a few token fall guys (the bad apples we always hear about in the media). If a the working guy is late on one trivial loan repayment (banks make billions - is it such a crime if they get their $202.65 30 days late?), there are fees abound that can possibly mean a child forgoing food. When a multinational rapes the biosphere to everyone's detriment for their own profit, their liability is capped and they are never going to pay the real cost of this event (no matter what congress says or signs).
I want to see mass class warfare, capitalism is fundamentally flawed (as is communism). I don't have a better answer, as it may just be that any existence above local communal subsistence living that involves money only breeds manipulation. We should never be allowed to "store labour" (this is what money represents). It only leads to the manipulation and exploitation of the labour force. Democracy is not true freedom either (simply 3 or 4 year micro-dictatorships). Historically democracy cycles to fascism/dictatorships (Rome, Europe ~70 years ago and America is getting there currently faster than other democracies). Have you tried to protest a government policy in a major city? See what happens (you need a permit and approval from the government that you are protesting against to be "allowed" to protest without being arrested - this would be comedic were it not so oppressive). There should be a natural cycle of democracy periodically spattered with revolution (why else would a politician listen to those that do not control stored labour?). A government that does not fear its population will not respect them, it's the law of nature that sadly supersedes all moral truths that we have learned. We live in densely populated cities yet we have no connection with each other, there is no sense of community.
Representation is dead in our prized democracies. There are many polls released about the consensus of the will of the people on wide ranging social and economic issues and yet "representative" governments rarely side with the proletariat. At some point we must believe that this is by design. Stupidity ceases to explain it at a certain point and I have reached that point. Our little experiment of modern civilisation will go the way that all other civilisations have gone before it. It's just that this time we may drag down a significant percentage of the fauna and flora as well. Peak oil, global warming and overpopulation are coming faster and faster.

 

[bagochina]

it WILL change life as you know it

In a positive way. I can only hope right? I have a feeling things are going to get pretty ugly before things start to change. It will only be a matter of time before people [majority] start to boycott BP gas pumps. I know I haven't used one since this started. What else can you do though...

peace.
seedless

 

[drscience]

I'll have you know that: that lined killed.

I have made my thoughts on the oil spill clear. This is just another spanner we've thrown in nature's cycle. The corruption of the ruling oligarchs and democratic governments is pervasive, there is no such thing as a "fair" playing field and the proletariat has no recourse. There are no checks and balances. There is only greed and a few token fall guys (the bad apples we always hear about in the media). If a the working guy is late on one trivial loan repayment (banks make billions - is it such a crime if they get their $202.65 30 days late?), there are fees abound. When a multinational rapes the biosphere to everyone's detriment for their own profit, their liability is capped and they are never going to pay the real cost of this event (no matter what congress says or signs).
I want to see mass class warfare, capitalism is fundamentally flawed (as is communism). I don't have a better answer, as it may just be that any existence above local communal subsistence living that involves money only breeds manipulation. We should never be allowed to "store labour" (this is what money represents). It only leads to the manipulation and exploitation of the labour force. Democracy is not true freedom either (simply 3 or 4 year micro-dictatorships). Historically democracy cycles to fascism (Rome, Europe 50 years ago and America is getting there currently). Have you tried to protest a government policy in a major city? See what happens (you need a permit and approval from the government that you are protesting against to be "allowed" to protest without being arrested - this would be comedic were it not so oppressive). There should be a natural cycle of democracy periodically spattered with revolution (why else would a politician listen to those that do not control stored labour?). A government that does not fear its population will not respect them, it's the law of nature that sadly supercedes all moral truths that we have learned. We live in densely populated cities yet we have no connection with each other, there is no sense of community.
Representation is dead in our prized democracies. There are many polls released about the consensus of the will of the people on wide ranging social and economic issues and yet "representative" governments rarely side with the proletariat. At some point we must believe that this is by design. Stupidity ceases to explain it at a certain point and I have reached that point. Our little experiment of modern civilisation will go the way that all other civilisations have gone before it. It's just that this time we may drag down a significant percentage of the fauna and flora as well. Peak oil, global warming and overpopulation are coming faster and faster.

I don't even know what to say. These words changed me a little.

 

[beamers]

^ oh Shucks Was it Braveheart worthy or more MLK worthy? I am change you can believe in, really I mean iiiiiiiiiiit!!!!!
If my finances allow it, I am planning on moving away from cities and urban sprawl. I think more rural (but still coastal) area are the way to go.

I partook in recent teacher's union protests (I'm not a teacher) in my city and was enlightened to the fact that the route for the protest had to be negotiated and planned down to the most minute detail weeks before it could be "approved". With police pre-positioned and blocking major intersections on the route, should anyone get a little out of line and do something spontaneous. Here's the kicker, the route was passed a major university during exams and the protesters were told to be "quiet" when passing the university and we complied like sheep (I felt so ashamed of myself, I'm a bashful guy sometimes), talk about being neutered. I made my opinion clear to the people I spoke with, if you want an effective protest you need to disrupt something, it's called civil "disobedience" for a reason. The teachers received about half of what they were asking for after further theatrics and threats the months after the protest, but talk about synthetic activism.

Remember that police were denying media access to some areas of the beach at BP's request....are you really free?

 

[Kenickie]

do you have money?

then yeah, you're free.

do you live completely off the grid in the margins of society?

then yeah, you're free.

 

[missunderstood]

Respected...thank you for your thoughts. I am serious. It gives me more to think about. I am really interested to hear how other people view this mess. I was just taken back by the farmer is all. I thought I would share it.

 

[beamers]

I think you've probably got 3 screens and 58 windows open....wrong thread perhaps?

 

[Mehm]

Thanks for the goldman links unbreakable. Not what I would call "mainstream" sources....maybe that means I have even more reason to believe them. This spill is demonstrating the horrendous corruption in our political system more and more every day. I guarantee that the progressive movement is going to convert a lot of fence sitters.