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Disaster looms as oil slick reaches US coast

I think I can remember about ONE post from you in this thread that wasn't either attacking Obama or defending Bush. Shameless is indeed the word.
 
qwe said:
Unbreakable said:
Congress plans to quadruple oil tax used to finance cleanups
http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/cong...druple_oi.html

what a joke
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that's a great idea. 1) it moves us away from oil, preventing further disasters. 2) it helps fix the oil spill, which we've gotta do something about, and we can't do something about it without funds
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And here I thought BP was supposed to be paying any and all costs associated with this catastrophe, forever and ever, amen.

Of course I didn't, not for one minute. This was going to land on the tax payers all along. It all does, always.

The minute another party steps in to do any part of the clean up, the legal ramifications change. BP would like nothing better than for the government to take over and forever tie up its final liability in courts, arguing over the "what ifs" and "if party A hadn't interfered with methods of party B".

Does the government have an incentive to step in and do some or all of the clean up? You betcha! Look to page 1 of this thread for the clue as to why. Oh heck, I'll be a pal and give it to you anyway. Who is the government's favourite goto contractor for all post "Shock and Awe" Act 1 Scene 1 episodes? If you guessed Halliburton, you win a cookie. What in the world does Halliburton have to do with oil disasters on water? As of a few months ago, everything. Google "Halliburton Boots & Coots" and you will see that Halliburton now owns one of the world's best well control companies, experts on land and on water.

So, go ahead and keep on thinking that the new per barrel clean up tax is a good thing. How much does that tax amount to? Let's see. The tax is supposed to raise $11 billion over the next ten years. That breaks down into $1.1 billion per year; about $92 million per month. BP profits for 1st quarter of 2010 were over $1.8 billion per month. So, the U.S. tax payer is getting taxed to the tune of $92 million per month, while the company who accepted all responsibility and all costs pockets twenty times that amount in profit every month? Great deal, if I saw one!

I say they should raise that per barrel clean up tax some more. In fact, I'm rather counting on it.
 
good point, BP being in charge of cleanup isn't my idea of ideal.. of course, they should be able to provide technical help and resources
 
One business comes and starts a oil leak than....

A 11 year old Ex-Ceo of the BP Company comes and sells his chemical dispersant of choice..... even tho it has been proven worse... it is all about the MONEY...


in return... both hurting the environment...that just disgusts me
 
from what I've been reading.... I understand that this spill could be similar in size to the 1979 Ixtoc 1 spill. Three years after that spill, marine life and beaches had made a full recovery.

but I've also read that the nature of this spill is entirely different than Ixtoc, because this spill has occurred at a much deeper depth
 
qwe said:
good point, BP being in charge of cleanup isn't my idea of ideal.. of course, they should be able to provide technical help and resources
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You would think the company in charge of the well would be the expert in how to contain it. Does BP not have a risk management strategy? What a horrible assumption made in this case.
 
Wyld 4 X said:
You would think the company in charge of the well would be the expert in how to contain it. Does BP not have a risk management strategy? What a horrible assumption made in this case.
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i hope both the private and public sector have such strategies. private because it's good for business. public because we need to make sure they aren't skimping on safety regulations

i'm not saying BP can't participate. i'm saying, they should be ordered to give whatever funds, manpower, skilled workers and engineers, etc, available to solve this problem. but they don't get to be the ones "in charge" because they deliberately fudged the safety regulations in the first place with help from the public sector i admit (is there anything to like about the bush era). the possibility exists that BP would do a much worse job, simply due to ecconomics... this needs to be public and transparent

i'd like a centralized solution to this problem... its all one problem, so get a fast track gov task force or w.e. they'd do
 
anyone else pissed that we wasted a bunch of good oil and now im gunna have to pay more for my tank? I dont really care as much about some diaster asi do the money in my wallet

let the tax payers clean that shit up not bp
 
take it off the surface...out of sight, out of mind..............disgusting what's going on.

on the bright side, I might be going down to Louisiana and brewing compost tea for marsh restoration on BP's dime. Wish me luck!
 
Sounds like a sweet deal Mehm, I would love to go down there for a couple months and do something. At least somebody somewhere is talking about restoration but everything has to die off first which is probably just starting. For some reason I am reminded of that line out of the bible, 'and the waters will turn red'. I always though that was a reference to red tide but maybe not.

peace.
seedless
 
Mehm said:
take it off the surface...out of sight, out of mind..............disgusting what's going on.

on the bright side, I might be going down to Louisiana and brewing compost tea for marsh restoration on BP's dime. Wish me luck!
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Dude that is absolutely amazing!!!! Please keep me updated on your progress with this!
 
Multicam view of topkill operation in progress since earlier this afternoon:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=2

You'll need to disable popup blockers

This is cam 1 in above, I believe:

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

Lots of cloudiness happening as of about half an hour ago. The hope is that this is mud, not oil. Mud is being pumped in now, fighting against 15,000 PSI pressure, The Deepwater Horizon rig was rated for 15K PSI when new. No wonder it blew, especially with compromised BOP.
 
(@guy who said let the taxpayers clean it up not bp) ^i think it'll go faster if they work together..
 
Jamshyd said:
Haven't read whole thread. I am too depressed with the headlines as-is.

What I wanted to share is news I'd been reading ONLY TWO FUCKING DAYS before this happened:

First ever Giant Jellyfish caught on film

Giant Oarfish caught on film for the first time

Both of these were filmed accidentally by oil prospector-bound scientists.

Both in the gulf of mexico.

Now, I'm going to pretend this thread never existed because I'm about to cry.
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1) thanks for the discoveries
2) i'll be a man and admit, the oil spill teared me up too
 
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