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For those who think Lyrica is non-addicting.

Psychedelic Jay

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This Is what the DEA says:

SUMMARY: This final rule is issued by the Deputy Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to place the substance pregabalin [(S)-3-(aminomethyl)-5-methylhexanoic acid], including its salts, and all products containing pregabalin into Schedule V of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). As a result of this rule, the regulatory controls and criminal sanctions of Schedule V will be applicable to the manufacture, distribution, dispensing, importation and exportation of pregabalin and products containing pregabalin.

SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:
Background
On December 31, 2004, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved pregabalin [(S)-3-(aminomethyl)-5-methylhexanoic acid] for marketing under the trade name LyricaTM. LyricaTM will be marketed in the United States as a prescription drug product for the management of neuropathic pain associated with diabetic peripheral neuropathy (DPN) and postherpetic neuralgia (PHN). Pregabalin has recently been placed on the market in some European countries for the treatment of epilepsy and neuropathic pain.

On April 4, 2005, the Acting Assistant Secretary for Health of the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), sent the Administrator of the DEA a letter recommending that pregabalin, and its salts, be placed into Schedule V of the CSA. Enclosed with the April 4, 2005, letter was a document prepared by the FDA entitled, ``Basis for the Recommendation for Control of Pregabalin in Schedule V of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA).'' The document contained a review of the factors which the CSA requires the Secretary to consider

Based on the recommendation of the Acting Assistant Secretary for Health and an independent review of the available data by the DEA, the Deputy Administrator of the DEA, in a May 13, 2005, Federal Register Notice of Proposed Rulemaking , proposed placement of pregabalin into Schedule V of the CSA. The proposed rule provided an opportunity for all interested persons to submit their comments, objections or requests for hearing to be received by the DEA on or before June 13, 2005.

Comments Received

The DEA received two comments in response to the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. One commenter stated that the DEA should not minimize the similarity in effects produced by pregabalin and diazepam and should place pregabalin in Schedule IV of the CSA.

The DEA does not agree. Careful consideration of all the available data suggests that pregabalin has less abuse potential than Schedule IV substances. Pregabalin does not substitute for benzodiazepines in benzodiazepine-dependent animals. Data from clinical trials suggest that some of pregabalin's positive psychic effects are limited and do not continue with time or continued drug use. The data are consistent with a substance that could be abused intermittently for reward, but not for reinforcement. In addition, withdrawal effects of pregabalin are less severe than with other substances currently controlled in Schedule IV.
Another commenter stated that, in their experience with pregabalin in clinical trials, pregabalin does not demonstrate any risk that would merit being considered a scheduled drug.

The DEA does not agree. Preclinical studies indicated that pregabalin is transiently and sporadically self-administered at rates greater than vehicle but substantially lower than active comparators pentobarbital (CII) and methohexital (CIV). In clinical trials, pregabalin produces some pharmacological effects characteristic of diazepam and alprazolam and is likely to be abused for its positive psychic effects. The percentage of individuals that experienced acute euphoric effects was unusually high for pregabalin in clinical trials. Pregabalin also produced dizziness, somnolence, dry mouth, edema, blurred vision, weight gain and attentional problems more frequently than placebo. These data suggest that pregabalin does have sufficient abuse potential to warrant control under the CSA. The DHHS recommended control in Schedule V of the CSA and the DEA concurs.

Scheduling of Pregabalin

Relying on the scientific and medical evaluation and the recommendation of the Acting Assistant Secretary for Health, received in accordance with section 201(b) of the Act , and the independent review of the available data by the DEA, and after a review of the comments received in response to the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, the Deputy Administrator of the DEA, pursuant to sections 201(a) and 201(b) of the Act, finds that:

(1) Pregabalin has a low potential for abuse relative to the drugs or other substances in Schedule IV;

(2) Pregabalin has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States; and

(3) Abuse of pregabalin may lead to limited physical dependence or psychological dependence relative to the drugs or other substances in Schedule IV.

Based on these findings, the Deputy Administrator of the DEA concludes that pregabalin, including its salts, and all products containing pregabalin, warrant control in Schedule V of the CSA."

Some other titbits (will try to find the full studies

LYRICA is not known to be active at receptor sites associated with drugs of abuse. As with any CNS active drug, physicians should carefully evaluate patients for history of drug abuse and observe them for signs of LYRICA misuse or abuse (e.g., development of tolerance, dose escalation, drug-seeking behavior).

Abuse
In a study of recreational users (N=15) of sedative/hypnotic drugs, including alcohol, LYRICA (450mg, single dose) received subjective ratings of "good drug effect," "high" and "liking" to a degree that was similar to diazepam (30mg, single dose). In controlled clinical studies in over 5500 patients, 4 % of LYRICA-treated patients and 1 % of placebo-treated patients overall reported euphoria as an adverse reaction, though in some patient populations studied, this reporting rate was higher and ranged from 1 to 12%.

Dependence
In clinical studies, following abrupt or rapid discontinuation of LYRICA, some patients reported symptoms including insomnia, nausea, headache or diarrhea (see Warnings and Precautions), suggestive of physical dependence.

Apparently, the overall reporting of "euphoria" as an adverse effect was reported by 4% (range 3-12%) in post marketing trials, compared to <1% of those on placebo
 
This Is what the DEA says:


I tuned it out right after i saw that


...

lyrica is addictive, at worst theres extreme anxiet and insomnia from abrupt cessation from the drug, a lower seizure threshold and "electric shock sensations"
 
i have gone through lyrica withdrawal. I've found it to be just as bad as zolpidem (ambien) withdrawal
 
The mode of action of pregabalin is similar to that of gabapentin. Although pregabalin is a structural derivative of the inhibitory neurotransmitter gamma aminobutyric acid (GABA), it does not bind directly to GABA and has no effects on GABA uptake or degradation. Pregabalin selectively binds to the alpha2delta-subunit protein of voltage-gated calcium channels in various regions of brain and in the superficial dorsal horn of the spinal cord. It acts as a presynaptic inhibitor of the release of excitatory neurotransmitters in stimulated neurons. It reduces influx of calcium into isolated synaptic endings.

It doesn't affect the GABA receptors like benzodiazepines and alcohol do.

Not all drugs that affect the GABA receptors produce withdrawals similar to alcohol/benzodiazepines. Ambien and Sonata sure don't produce withdrawals anything near full GABA-A agonists. There are plenty of drugs that affect GABA-A without producing withdrawals anything near benzodiazepines/barbiturates/alcohol.

By the way, I was taken off Lyrica 450mg/daily after being on it for 1.5 years cold turkey (my doctor didn't recommend a taper) and felt mild withdrawals. A little more anxiety than usual, some insomnia and I can't remember anything else. I go off my Klonopin for 3 days and the world turns.
 
who gives a shit big pharm is pushin this shit hard thus scripts are going to be handed out like skittles anyway. i cant count how many tv ads i have seen
 
^
is it like i take a dose and feel the high? or is it only after you take a dose for awhile that you start to feel better and more euphoric as you go about daily activities?
 
What did you guys experience in the way of a recreational effect?

As far as I can remember, I think I took about a gram or so and I was sedated as fuck, my eyes were more blurry than getting as drunk as I possibly could, and there was some muscular and mental relaxation / Anxiety relief. I think that was it.
 
fuck the DEA
they also consider weed addictive

not saying lyrica isn't addictive, i've never tried it, but still....
FUCK THE DEA
 
I think it may give withdrawal after prolonged heavy use.

I cannot say for sure since what I experienced was clouded by GBL and Zopiclone.

Severe insomnia, auditory and visual hallucinations for 3 maybe 4 days.

Pregabalin 1.2g/day GBL 10ml per day Zopiclone 30mg/day
 
just wanted to bump this up, as i am "kicking" lyrica and it really should be widely known.

i started taking it as a sleep aid/an alternative to benzos and their physical dependencies... seems very "LOL" right now.

so 4 months go by taken daily, run out, think nothing of it.

first day im fine.
second day i feel like im kicking dope.... but that can't be because im still on a moderately high methadone dose and 2bundles of dope dialy.

thought i had a flu, because it feels exactly like dope sick/flu sick.

i had 2 50mg lyricas, thought maybe it was them, so took them, feel fine now an hour later.
googled it, and im not the only one.

take this in moderation, or have a backup plan, as with any other drug that carries a physical dependency, becuase this shit has an intense dependency, just like heroin... sweating pain/soreness, nausea but havent thrown up, that's the only difference.
 
This Is what the DEA says:


I tuned it out right after i saw that


...

lyrica is addictive, at worst theres extreme anxiet and insomnia from abrupt cessation from the drug, a lower seizure threshold and "electric shock sensations"

bullshit.

try extreme dopesick-esq sickness.
i *wish* it was just anxiety and insomnia
 
just wanted to bump this up, as i am "kicking" lyrica and it really should be widely known.

i started taking it as a sleep aid/an alternative to benzos and their physical dependencies... seems very "LOL" right now.

so 4 months go by taken daily, run out, think nothing of it.

first day im fine.
second day i feel like im kicking dope.... but that can't be because im still on a moderately high methadone dose and 2bundles of dope dialy.

thought i had a flu, because it feels exactly like dope sick/flu sick.

i had 2 50mg lyricas, thought maybe it was them, so took them, feel fine now an hour later.
googled it, and im not the only one.

take this in moderation, or have a backup plan, as with any other drug that carries a physical dependency, becuase this shit has an intense dependency, just like heroin... sweating pain/soreness, nausea but havent thrown up, that's the only difference.

I guess everyone is different. I took it 1.5 years and quit cold turkey. No withdrawals with exception of mild insomnia and some anxiety that didn't last too long. I've never heard of ANYONE experiencing withdrawals from it near the intensity that you did. Lyrica isn't even a GABA-A or B agonist. It simply mimics some of the effects you'd experience from GABA. The reason it is listed to have minimal physical and psychological dependence. Well, some people experience terrible withdrawals from anti-depressants also...
 
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