If a person is smarter, do they have more interesting trips?

[Taryth]

I retract my statement, forgot you said "interesting," not necessarily good.


I've had some "interesting" negative, horrendous trips. Just interesting like a train wreck is interesting and horrible.

 

[californialove760]

I'm abroad for studies atm and spent 3 days tripping in the mountains with about 100 other people, all natives... so my baseline was already in that foreign language (spanish btw), therefor the trips also were spent in that mindset... for me as linguist that was a great experience... it once more let me get a glimpse of what language is and how it works...

one day i'll have to try tripping in english... haven't done that yet (if you haven't already noticed english is a 2nd language as well for me) but everything at it's time!

damn, that's a really interesting idea i hadn't thought of. Living in america, my primary language is obviously english, but being mexican im also pretty much fluent in spanish, and when I go down to mexico for extended periods of time, I start to think in spanish.. I'd imagine that tripping in a different language would let you think in a completely different way, since they're is different words and connotations, and sometimes concepts that exist in one language that don't in another. That's a good idea, thanks!

 

[Pans-Advocate]

The short answer is yes, and I believe that smarter people have more interesting trips because it's basically always been true that when I trip with people, they tend to be more interesting to be around if they are smarter.

 

[whattodohere]

i didn't state that they are physically equal... first you have to start out by defining, but bla bla bla, what should i explain to somebody posting in a smart people thread that he thinks i'm silly and naive, you wouldn't get me anyways...

i'm taking the silly and naive as a compliment btw, i very much want myself to be that way, thanks

For sure. I realized that those were not entirely choice words after I used them. What I meant more, is that, personally, as someone who isn't in any way shape or form physically superior, I find my mental realm to be a very important place. To me, it just doesn't make sense that a world-class athlete with a perfect body would also have a perfect brain. If that was the case...why would be they allowed perfection while others were not? It's the same thing. Both also involve the body, though I understand what you are saying...trust me, I've gone ++++ a few too many times for my own good. I just see mentally handicapped people, and others with extreme autism, and I know that's not just their weak willpower.

I used to be the smiling naive one too, and I remember exactly what changed it. It was at a concert, and I was on a bit of acid. A girl came up to me, while we were surrounded in all directions by people and said... 'I feel....I feel.... ______" wanting me to fill in the blank. It was clear she was also on acid, and so I figured the best thing I could do would be to comfort her. So I say "I feel .... happy?" And I remember, she just looks at me with this look of astonishment and goes... "NO. I feel like I'm in prison." Because of all the people around her. And I realized I did too..but I wasn't admitting it to myself. And then she was gone

By the way, that insight into different languages was fascinating.

 

[RainbowWarrior]

damn, that's a really interesting idea i hadn't thought of. Living in america, my primary language is obviously english, but being mexican im also pretty much fluent in spanish, and when I go down to mexico for extended periods of time, I start to think in spanish.. I'd imagine that tripping in a different language would let you think in a completely different way, since they're is different words and connotations, and sometimes concepts that exist in one language that don't in another. That's a good idea, thanks!

You should really try it the next time... For me it made it quite easy to transcend linguistic boundaries and make me realise once again that i'm the incarnation of the "sheer power of will / life force / creator / god / whatever" which existence constructs meaning out of the chaos. We (life) are the coincidence that is not a coincidence! but as it needs the chaos / coincidence to evolve from it will always contain this element of coincidence therefor ensuring infinity...

and it made me realise that language in itself is just meaning being constructed out of the infinite chaos, therefor it's an incarnation of exactly this force or just another dimension...

For sure. I realized that those were not entirely choice words after I used them. What I meant more, is that, personally, as someone who isn't in any way shape or form physically superior, I find my mental realm to be a very important place. To me, it just doesn't make sense that a world-class athlete with a perfect body would also have a perfect brain. If that was the case...why would be they allowed perfection while others were not? It's the same thing. Both also involve the body, though I understand what you are saying...trust me, I've gone ++++ a few too many times for my own good. I just see mentally handicapped people, and others with extreme autism, and I know that's not just their weak willpower.

I used to be the smiling naive one too, and I remember exactly what changed it. It was at a concert, and I was on a bit of acid. A girl came up to me, while we were surrounded in all directions by people and said... 'I feel....I feel.... ______" wanting me to fill in the blank. It was clear she was also on acid, and so I figured the best thing I could do would be to comfort her. So I say "I feel .... happy?" And I remember, she just looks at me with this look of astonishment and goes... "NO. I feel like I'm in prison." Because of all the people around her. And I realized I did too..but I wasn't admitting it to myself. And then she was gone

By the way, that insight into different languages was fascinating.

well it's really difficult (no actually it's impossible :D ) for me to explain these kinds of concepts, let alone in the rather simlyfying english language. but your starting point of an athlet for comparison is good, i'm sure you are aware that the most important part of being a good athlet is training? Now let's asume that genetics are the product of how much "training" your forfathers did and let's asume that the brain is a muscle that can be trained... would you still think there are smarter people? or is it just a matter of being progressed (edit: adapted!) differently? and when can one genetic-line become smart if not by choice? and we haven't even started to deconstruct the concept of inteligence itself by asking for a definition which obviously never could be reached to a satisfying point... so yeah, i don't think there are people smarter than others... but as you may have realised it's only just semantics, the concept behind is very much the same - only the consequences of formulating it are different, imho.


i'm really sorry to hear that you lost your smile, but you know you can always get it back - you just have to want to

and the admiting things to oneself thing is a really really difficult topic... as once again it depends very much on the situation you are in... (i know i will get flamed for this but anyway) do you think every human is a potential pedophile if only they are just brave enough to admit to oneself that they have something like this in them? or that anybody is a potential candidate for suicide if only they are just brave enough to admit that they are sick of suffering, sick of living? or that anybody could climb up that roof and shoot others because of how sick the others make him, if only he just dares admiting that humankind is scum anyways that has earned to suffer and die?

 

[Visitor Q]

i don't believe that there are persons smarter than others... so: no...

Try teaching quantum physics to a person with down syndrome.

 

[rincewindrocks]

IME, my friends who I consider "less smart" (although not bad people) seem to trip harder and further out than my friends who i consider "more smart". this applies to myself as well. I tend to consider myself rather intelligent, and i almost never trip out all that hard, but I can take the same dosage as one of my friends and sit there and watch them flip their lids

 

[RainbowWarrior]

Try teaching quantum physics to a person with down syndrome.

Try reading my posts again with the aim to understand.

As i tried to explain, wether or not a person is able to comprehend quantum physics doesn't state anything about their intelligence...

hell, if i define intelligence as the capacity of an individual to perceive beauty, you might as well have a lot to learn from somebody with 3 genes on the 21st position...

i'm not negating differences, i'm negating to fix and valuate them! different is just that... different!

 

[ChronicHD]

This is an awesome thread. Very interesting posts. I agree with Roger&Me when he said

"I do not think knowledge is very important in the psychedelic realm, TBH. Psychedelics strip away those types of conceptual categories, so its natural for the trip to revolve around your own feelings.

Usually the most profound trips are when you're thinking about yourself, and then your perspective blows-out, and suddenly you realize you are everything.

Honestly I don't think knowledge of history or politics is important even in everyday life. Of much higher value are traits like perceptiveness, moral awareness, and fluid intelligence ("thinking on your feet", etc).

Love and gratitude, man, all that good stuff. That's what the psychedelic experience focuses on in its finest manifestations. Accumulating factual knowledge is just stamp collecting. Psychedelics are about what is inside of you that transcends all of that accumulated noise. "

While I think it's good to be knowledgeable about the world, politics, history, etc, I have some friends that I would not trip with for this reason. Some people are just too obnoxious to me when they act like they know more than I do. Not something I want to deal with when I'm in another universe.

 

[Visitor Q]

As i tried to explain, wether or not a person is able to comprehend quantum physics doesn't state anything about their intelligence...

Where I come from, that is exactly what intelligence is. I believe there is rational intelligence (ability to comprehend mathematics, for example) and emotional intelligence (ability to understand facial expressions, emotions and to show empathy, compassion). A person with "3 genes on the 21st position" is, unfortunalely, less able (or "differently abled" as you would probably like to put it) in both these fields.

I do not doubt their ability to perceive and appreciate beauty, to be happy and fulfilled, or even that they are useful in society. However I do consider them less intelligent, and with reason.

 

[RainbowWarrior]

Where I come from, that is exactly what intelligence is.

i don't doubt that... where i'm from most people would agree with you... yet i think that today many are already way beyond that point, and i think it's a good thing

try to understand my last sentence:

"i'm not negating differences, i'm negating to fix and valuate them! different is just that... different! "

 

[RainbowWarrior]

the reason because i feel it necessary to challange the concept of intelligence is because it is a very mighty and usefull tool in power structures... think about how knowledge and power are connected and how some groups use this connections to control those they exclude from their groups...

 

[Visitor Q]

the reason because i feel it necessary to challange the concept of intelligence is because it is a very mighty and usefull tool in power structures... think about how knowledge and power are connected and how some groups use this connections to control those they exclude from their groups...

I will agree that it is easy to take the concept of intelligence and use it in the context of propaganda or disinformation. It was used in the second world war against the jews.

But then the problem is in intentions, not the concept of intelligence itself which is a valid concept IMO.

For example: It is indeed NOT TRUE that jews are inferior in intelligence, even if this was suggested. It is however TRUE that a person with down syndrome is less intelligent than a healthy human adult.

You mentioned earlier that they may have a developped sense of appreciation to beauty and what not. That may be true... but it is not a question of intelligence but rather sensibility.

 

[Liquid Sunshine]

Intelligence is just a name for a huge multifaceted system which has varying degrees of efficacy. There is no one overarching qualification or true measure of intelligence, and IQ is becoming more and more frowned upon. There are countless functions of the mind, and a person can be good or bad at any of them. Some people have more obvious intelligences, but psychedelics don't care about the obvious.

 

[Visitor Q]

There is no one overarching qualification or true measure of intelligence, and IQ is becoming more and more frowned upon.

IQ is an old tool. a sort of outdated test that has very limited sight into actual intelligence. When I say intelligence I mean intelligence, not IQ. Plus IQ is limited to rational problem solving. I will agree with you that it is very difficult and maybe perhaps impossible to quantify or measure intelligence in a precise manner.

But the mouse that returns to the electrified food can be considered less intelligent than the mouse that learned from its first shock. We cannot determine to which extent mouse A is smarter than mouse B, but we know there is a difference and that mouse A is more adapted in a darwinistic point of view.

 

[Visitor Q]

All in all, I think psychedelics can be wonderful tools for people of greatly varied intellect and interests. It will mould to your brain and make questions emerge, whether you're au uneducated deadbeat or Stephen Hawking.

 

[Xorkoth]

angryteabag: The fact that you've made this thread and have repeatedly stated that you wish to emerge from the "predigested" world (I liked that term ) you've been fed says to me that you're fully capable to getting to where you want to be mentally. Just keep on being curious and seeking knowledge and as the years go by you'll be amazed by how you've transformed.

 

[Liquid Sunshine]

IQ is an old tool. a sort of outdated test that has very limited sight into actual intelligence. When I say intelligence I mean intelligence, not IQ. Plus IQ is limited to rational problem solving. I will agree with you that it is very difficult and maybe perhaps impossible to quantify or measure intelligence in a precise manner.

But the mouse that returns to the electrified food can be considered less intelligent than the mouse that learned from its first shock. We cannot determine to which extent mouse A is smarter than mouse B, but we know there is a difference and that mouse A is more adapted in a darwinistic point of view.

That's exactly what I'm saying. What is intelligence? There is not a single person here qualified to judge anyone elses intelligence. The only person I can say is truly unintelligent is one who tries to preserve his and others ignorance. Yes, Mouse A is smarter than Mouse B, that can be determined, however even that test wouldn't truly be meaningful for a human, who has countless more forms of intelligence. There are complex subjective motivations completely unrelated to pain.

It's much easier for mice than men.

Of course, I think someone with an open, educated mind who is willing to let go and experience the trip will trip harder. Someone who is viewed as intelligent because they are very rational/logical/scientific may cling to reality.

I'm one of the only 'practical' or 'scientific' people in my friend group, the rest being a bunch of lunatic stoners,m and I'd definitely say that I trip the hardest, but I have also tripped with people who I've thought very similar, and even though that person and I tripped together on a regular basis, not a single time did we even remotely ever touch the same wavelength.

Tripping = YMMV

 

[Kingofthefungus]

Yeah, I believe so. Your life is generally more interesting and colourful if you're smart and knowledgeable even when sober, so on mushrooms, why would it be any different?

 

[Visitor Q]

The only person I can say is truly unintelligent is one who tries to preserve his and others ignorance.

I disagree.

True stories from the Darwin Awards:

(August 2006, Brazil) August brings us a winner from Brazil, who tried to disassemble a Rocket Propelled Grenade (RPG) by driving back and forth over it with a car. This technique was ineffective, so he escalated to pounding the RPG with a sledgehammer. The second try worked–in a sense. The explosion proved fatal to one man, six cars, and the repair shop wherein the efforts took place.

14 more RPG grenades were found in a car parked nearby. Police believe the ammunition was being scavenged to sell as scrap metal. If it wasn’t scrap then, it certainly is now!

(2006, England) Two people, 17 and 20, who imitated Darth Vader and made light sabres from fluorescent light tubes. That’s right, they opened up fluoresceent tubes, poured gasoline inside, and lit the end… As one can imagine, a Star Wars sized explosion was not far behind. One died, the other survived to ‘fess up to their creative, but stupid, reenactment.Darwin says: “Some moderators say 17 is too young, but I disagree. This one passes the “minors rule” because 17 is legal driving age. Old enough to pump gas is old enough to know not to light it.”

I rest my case...