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Male / Female Growth Rate

it IS bullshit, as during the veg cycle the plants arent even sexed yet.


this only really happens toward the very end of the veg cycle (showing sex i mean)


in my personal experience, there is no difference.
although definitely in flowering stages, females grow faster.
budsites form faster than pollen sacs.
 
Its been my experience, when I've grown from seeds, that the ones that popped first and jumped right up to a nice, healthey plant, bigger than the others,......turned out to be male..
 
Its been my experience, when I've grown from seeds, that the ones that popped first and jumped right up to a nice, healthey plant, bigger than the others,......turned out to be male..
I agree with Papa on this, the only 2 males ive ever grown had an extreme stretch/growth rate and seem far more vigourous then the females I had going.
 
it IS bullshit, as during the veg cycle the plants arent even sexed yet.


this only really happens toward the very end of the veg cycle (showing sex i mean)

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Yo Sega so are you saying plants are genetically "undertermined" for say 6-8 weeks, then once plants mature they will choose there identity?

I think I may have read the female/male genetics are created as soon as the seed is created at birth. Ill have a look for that bit info.
 
it may be genetically undetermined or not, what im saying is when a plant shows signs of sex, it could be either way at that point.
law of averages, 50/50 chance of fem/male ratio etc etc.

during veg stages, you couldnt fairly say which are growing faster if they aint sexed yet, it could go either way, or even hermi.
 
Yo Sega so are you saying plants are genetically "undertermined" for say 6-8 weeks, then once plants mature they will choose there identity?

That is the million dollar question my friend...

It would make sense, due to the fact that there are tested methods of increasing female % in both seed and plant which would suggest a degree of plasticity in sex, or as Sega says, that until preflower they can't be said to be 100% M or F.

Thanks everyone that posted so far
 
Here's the bit of info I was after..

This post is from a very experienced Moderator/grower on a Cannabis site. Good bit of info.

The genetics (XX, XY or XXy XYy etc...) is determined when the pollen contacts the stamen of the female plant and the DNA & Chromosomes of both parents combine to create the seed...

You get Males, and your Get Females, and even Hermies...HOWEVER: As I stated in an earlier post today-- there is even more than that... Basic Mendals law, Biology AND marijuana Botony:
ya know the old Biology lesson that XX= Female and XY= Male....?
Well-- in cannabis and a few other plants-- they "Up the stakes"...
XXY is a male that can hermie easily, where XXy is a Male that can be forced to hermie- but is harder to do...
XX= a True Female, but few are true females.... and those can only be hermied by chemicals...
XXY can hermie easily, XXy Can be forced to hermie...
XXYY is a Genetic hermie from the get-go... and there are more combinations!!!

Most "Female" plants are the XXy's... will grow and flower as females unless they are severely and repeatedly stressed... some are the XXY's... but they don't hermie unless stressed, or if left flowering too long after a longer than normal veg period.


Remember-- Light "leaks" of an hour or so during the dark phase + heat or low water levels can force hermies -- but only IF they have the recessive "Y" in there somewhere..

And if you force one to hermie for breeding purposes-- remember- do NOT use her pollen on another hermie or on herself-- or -- OR on Feminized seed plants... or ALL the seeds will be hermies!!!


Say we had a seed... would the gender already be determined?


Yes-- but it can be effected by the environment.

For example... lets take a seed that is XXy....say you start her in cooler temps, with blue lighting and good grow nutes... and then put her in perfect blooming conditions... You get a girl!

Say you took CLONES of her.... and when you go to bloom them, the bloom room has a light leak, and the temps go up to 85f days and 65 at night... WHAM! They start popping out banana's late in flower!!!! That is that nasty recessive "y" in there....
had that ''y'' been a "Y" then they might have grown pods just from high temps or just the light leak-- instead of just bananas from both!
 
Where to begin... firstly, when dealing with non-feminised single strain seed in a high quality neutral pH growing medium with a balanced nutrient/mineral load, water to spare and sown outdoors late spring early summer the male/female ratio is roughly 50-50, give or take. Of course, parentage has a lot to do with these numbers.
In nearly 40 years of growing from 10's to a hundred at a time I've found that males tend to shoot ahead of females in the early vegetative stages. They almost always present with longer internodes, bigger leaves and generally sparser frames. Knowing this is a bonus and saves time otherwise wasted growing males that can be replaced with potentially female seedling to fill the gaps. Males are also nutrient pigs and really hoover it up to beat their mates to mature first and pollinate any flowering females in the vicinity; nature's way of passing that individual's genes on to the next generation. With the odd exception for breeding needs I 'rogue' these out and have very rarely ended up with a sneaky male hiding among the girls. Males also tend to declare earlier than females, although as Wise420 posted, stress can also lead to early declaration. Again, in my experience these tend to be staminate first rather than pistillate. Stable strains producing predominantly females occassionally sprout a male flower here and there to satisfy their need to breed in the absence of male plants. The resulting seed will almost invariably produce plants of the female persuasion :). Less stable var's or those with hermaphroditism in their genes can produce many more male flowers and really screw a breeding program.
Then there is pH. Aim for a slightly alkaline pH if you want more females. Dressing out with wood ash or good old Potato E helps here. Boys tend to really boom in more acidic nitrogen-rich soil types, typically where you would find broad-leafed grasses, like around effluent drains, for example.
In the end, enough is known about cannabis botany today to make informed choices about how you deal with this weed in cultivation. Kings are ok for dilletantes, but in the end it's Queens you really want. Hope my ramble helped out.
 
i have heard that the feminized versions of plants are less vigorous than their unfeminized counterparts.

this has something to do with the feminization process

i would like to know more.

7 out of 7 seeds i started this grow were female......i must be doing something right if you really can influence it at all.
 
^ If it's a competition you're probably right. Hybrid vigour is hard to quantify otherwise. Yet, I have grown Hawaiian Indica seed, 'bred' for indoors production, outdoors and these girls were out-of- control monsters till I learned how to deal with them. Note: these were grown in the ground, not in containers. Indoors, under lights (grower-controlled via photoperiod and nutrient decisions) they were said to be relatively 'small' plants with a short maturation time and heavy yield. Outside, without those controls in full sun and with abundant nutrients, they reverted to the dominant vigourous indica growth trait and towered over their non-feminised neighbours. Imagine sitting a beggar down before a banquet and you'll get the idea. By the time they'd settled into maturation (several months later approaching the first autumn rains) I needed the step ladder to inspect the fore-arm sized top-buds for moulds and blights.
In short- stable, outdoors grown predominantly female producing vars tend to be fairly chilled and predictable re. growth rate. Here, I do take account of differing non-hybridized indica and sativa growth traits. You can always force more vigourous vegetative growth with nitrogen boosting (+foliar sprays and supplimental root feeding) though be wary as there are unforeseen dangers here... but that's another story.
 
Just a footnote re. Wise420's informed post: I can't think of any good reason to knowingly pollute a breeding programme with hermaphroditism. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The minute you let one of these mongrels loose amongst your females all your hard work will be undone. Hermaphrodites will sprout staminate (male)flowers for as long as the plant produces pistillate (female) flowers. In other words, sequential flowering females will set seed in their first viable flush and continue doing so until the plant reaches the end of the growth cycle, and this can be a long time. Anyone whose had to deal with cleaning seed from the resulting bud will know what a pain in the arse removing the pale green semi-matured seeds can be.
 
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