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Looking back on MDMA...

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The_Great_Refusal

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At the moment, I'd say its safe to say that MDMA has almost become a rare substance.

Instead of buying pill after pill and hoping, I'd thought it would be a good time for a reminder of MDMA history.

I find this relavent in this forum as some new kids have never had mdma.

This video will help people remember what it feels like, or for those new to the scene, what they hopefully will get soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjvNCijeYlI

Ecstasy Rising (Paul Jennings doco)
 
State of Ecstasy Conference 2001 program and audio files


The State of Ecstasy: About the Speakers
Conference Speakers. The State of Ecstasy: The Medicine, Science and Culture of MDMA. The Golden Gate Club at the Presidio, San Francicsco, CA. Friday, February 2, 2001, 8:30 AM - 5:30 PM.

Jose Carlos Bouso

Mr. Bouso was born in Madrid in 1970, and graduated with a degree in psychology from the Universidad Autonoma de Madrid in 1994. He researched at the Department of Biologic Psychology and Health at the Faculty of Psychology, Universidad Autonoma de Madrid, from 1994 to 1998, collaborating in research related with psychotherapy, psychopharmacology and computerized cerebral cartography. During the years 1996 to 2000 he worked with juvenile delinquents in a Madrid remand home. Bouso is currently developing an authorized MDMA/PTSD protocol at the Psychiatric Hospital of Madrid, and will focus on this work for his PhD dissertation at the Universidad Autonoma de Madrid.


John Cloud

John Cloud is a staff writer at Time, where he has worked since 1997. Previously, he was a senior writer at Washington City Paper, D.C.'s alternative weekly, and he has also written for The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, and Out magazine. He covers social issues for Time, writing often about sex and drugs but not rock and roll. In 2000, he wrote a cover story for Time about ecstasy.


Rick Doblin, Ph.D.

Founder and president of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a non-profit membership-based research and educational organization that is sponsoring clinical studies designed to obtain FDA approval for the use of MDMA as a prescription medicine. Rick recently obtained a Public Policy Ph.D. from the Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University. His dissertation focused on the regulation of the medical use of psychedelics and marijuana.


George Greer, M.D.

George Greer, M.D. is Medical Director of the Heffter Research Institute and psychiatrist in private practice. From 1980 to 1985, he and his psychiatric nurse wife conducted over 100 therapeutic sessions with MDMA for 80 individuals. In 1985, Dr. Greer was involved in an extensive hearing process with the Drug Enforcement Administration to keep MDMA available for medical research, and coordinated a lobbying campaign in Congress to prevent restrictions on research with new psychedelic drugs in 1986. From 1992 to 1998 he was Clinical Director of Mental Health Services for the New Mexico Corrections Department.


Charles S. Grob, M.D.

Director of the Division of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center and Professor of Psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine. Dr. Grob conducted the first FDA approved study assessing the effects of MDMA in humans, and he was the Principal Investigator of a biomedical research project on the Amazonian plant hallucinogen ayahuasca. He has lectured and written extensively on the issue of hallucinogens and MDMA.


Steve Heilig, M.P.H.

Steve Heilig is director of Public Health and Education for the San Francisco Medical Society, founding Co-Editor of the Cambridge Quarterly of Healthcare Ethics, and Director of the Bay Area Network of Ethics Committees. He is a widely published author and frequent lecturer at universities and hospitals, with a focus on medicine and policy, and environmental health. He has been a Join Together /Robert Wood Johnson Fellow in substance abuse issues. In 1993 he authored a still-definitive review of MDMA research for the California Society of Addiction Medicine.


Jessica Malberg, Ph.D.

Jessica Malberg received her Ph.D. from the University of Chicago in 1998, where she worked in the laboratory of Dr. Lewis Seiden and published several papers investigating the interaction of environmental temperature, core body temperature and MDMA-induced neurotoxicity in the rat. Jessica is currently a Post-Doctoral Associate at Yale University in the Department of Psychiatry, working in the laboratory of Molecular Psychiatry.


Ethan Nadelmann, Ph.D., JD

Ethan Nadelmann is one of the world's most respected and high profile critics and commentators on U.S. and international drug control policies. His critiques of U.S. drug control policies and recommendations regarding harm reduction strategies and other alternatives to punitive drug prohibition have attracted international attention and played a decisive role in stimulating the growing debate over drug policy worldwide. Nadelmann received his B.A., J.D., and Ph.D. in Political Science from Harvard as well as a Masters degree in International Relations from the London School of Economics. Nadelmann founded the Lindesmith Center and now serves as the Executive Director of the Lindesmith Center-Drug Policy Foundation, which merged in July, 2000. He is author of the book, Cops Across Borders: The Internationalization of U.S. Criminal Law Enforcement (1993), and a highly regarded expert on the international aspects of crime and law enforcement. He also co-edited the book, Psychoactive Drugs & Harm Reduction: From Faith to Science (1993).


David Nichols, Ph.D.

Dr. Nichols has been at Purdue University since 1974, and has published more than 200 research articles on various aspects of the medicinal chemistry and neuropharmacology of drugs that act in the brain. The general theme of his research is to understand how changes in brain neurochemistry affect behavior, through the use of molecular probes. His laboratory has published numerous studies elucidating details both of the mechanism of action of MDMA, and of the biochemical events related to the neurotoxic effects seen in animals following MDMA administration. Dr. Nichols coined the name entactogen to describe the unique psychopharmacological effects of MDMA and related compounds.


Dustianne North, M.S.W.

Dustianne North graduated Summa Cum Laude from UCLA in 1994 with an undergraduate degree in World Arts and Cultures and Anthropology. Her graduate work has focused on Social Welfare, a field in which she is now a Ph.D. candidate at UCLA. North founded the Gathering of the Tribes Conference and Festival, which is held in Los Angeles each spring to allow underground 'tribal dance collectives' to share their knowledge and talent bases. These 'tribes' have become a source of academic and personal inspiration for North, as they represent a movement toward a more community-based model of living, learning, and celebrating. After nearly a decade of participating in the Los Angeles tribal underground, North has witnessed the evolution of the culture and the role of Ecstasy in its development.


Marcela Ot'alora, M.F.A.

A native of Colombia South America, Ot'alora went to the US in 1980 to attend the University of Maine. In 1987 she received a Master's of Fine Arts from the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. She has been an artist and a teacher for eighteen years. She is in Madrid, Spain working as a therapist in an MDMA and PTSD project.


George Ricaurte, M.D., Ph.D.

Dr. Ricaurte received his Ph.D. from the University of Chicago in 1979, and his medical degree from Northwestern University Medical School in 1981. He has been with the Department of Neurobiology at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine since 1988. His research and subsequent findings for the National Institute on Drug Abuse, especially that on MDMA neurotoxicity, has gained him much notoriety and respect. Dr. Ricaurte has authored/co-authored over 100 peer-reviewed journal articles and 30 book chapters.


Marsha Rosenbaum, Ph.D.

Dr. Rosenbaum is Director of the San Francisco office of the Lindesmith Center-Drug Policy Foundation. A medical sociologist and the mother of a teenaged son, she has had both a professional and a personal interest in drug education. In 1994, she co-authored Pursuit of Ecstasy: The MDMA Experience, a definitive study of MDMA users (the first sociological research on Ecstasy funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.


Emanuel Sferios

Founder and National Director of DanceSafe, a non-profit organization promoting health and safety within the rave and nightclub community. DanceSafe’s activities include performing laboratory analyses of street drugs, providing literature on safer use of drugs, and staffing harm reduction information tables at events and nightclubs across North America.


Alexander Shulgin, Ph.D.

Author of close to 200 scientific research papers, 20 patents, 3 books and 10 book chapters. For 30 years he held a license to analyze psychedelic drugs, during which time he synthesized nearly 200 chemicals related to psychedelic drugs and re-discovered MDMA.


Ann Shulgin

Writer, artist, wife and mother who guided many people through therapy sessions using MDMA before it became illegal. In her books and lectures, she provides illuminating accounts of these experiences. As well as PIKHAL and TIKHAL, she has authored or co-authored several book chapters and articles on the therapeutic and spiritual uses of psychedelics.


Sue Stevens Sue Stevens is the widow of Shane Stevens who passed away from cancer on October 2, 1999. The couple had tried MDMA therapy to confront many issues in their relationship that were affected by his cancer. They believe that the MDMA sessions allowed Shane an extra three years of life or more, due to the emotional & psychological changes they experienced during and after the sessions. It is their dream that one day others will be able to get this help and not have to break the law as they did.
 
Fun Fact:

In 2004 I stumbled upon a "Drug Exhibition" near Circular Quay, Sydney.

I kid you not - they had packaging for a cold and flu remedy It looked 1920's.

"MDMA FEVER CURE - with hilarious side effects"

there was a picture on the box of a man in a suit looking ill, but smilling and a bit wobbly.

Can someone please back me up on this. I cant find it on the net. The packaging was legit, very very old looking white box.

I remeber reading it 'didnt sell very well and was taken off the market without making a blip'
 
I miss MDMA as much as the next guy, but I don't really see the value in this thread. There are enough threads all nostalgic about the good old days of MDMA, we really need to find something new to talk about...
 
drug_mentor; In some ways I agree, but we AusDD mods have been pretty hard on social type threads lately. At least this way, there's opportunity for a bit of reminiscing and a story or two, mixed in with some useful history, which if nothing else, helps with your argument regarding the newer chemicals. With MDMA we've had decades of research, something we just can't say with many of latest replacements.
 
^ Fair enough mate, I don't have a problem with it staying open I was just surprised to see you post in it and it was still open because there have been ALOT of similar threads in the last year.

You raise some fair points about being hard on social discussion lately, so I guess this can't hurt. Anyway, I wont post off topic any more. ;)
 
Fun Fact:

In 2004 I stumbled upon a "Drug Exhibition" near Circular Quay, Sydney.

I kid you not - they had packaging for a cold and flu remedy It looked 1920's.

"MDMA FEVER CURE - with hilarious side effects"

there was a picture on the box of a man in a suit looking ill, but smilling and a bit wobbly.

Can someone please back me up on this. I cant find it on the net. The packaging was legit, very very old looking white box.

I remeber reading it 'didnt sell very well and was taken off the market without making a blip'

Sounds like bullshit to me, either that or it's from back when MDMA was legal? I remember reading once that you used to be able to ring up businesses and order MDMA before it was scheduled.
 
I will miss:

- the hour-long showers which became a ritual towards the end of rolls. Like God himself is showering you.

Feel free to add on.
 
Fun Fact:

In 2004 I stumbled upon a "Drug Exhibition" near Circular Quay, Sydney.

I kid you not - they had packaging for a cold and flu remedy It looked 1920's.

"MDMA FEVER CURE - with hilarious side effects"

there was a picture on the box of a man in a suit looking ill, but smilling and a bit wobbly.

Can someone please back me up on this. I cant find it on the net. The packaging was legit, very very old looking white box.

I remeber reading it 'didnt sell very well and was taken off the market without making a blip'

NOT FACT, (at least the 1920's bit). MDMA wasn't even known by that name then. At the time MDMA was first synthed by Merck ~1912, it was mentioned in the Merck Archives only by it's chemical notation, with some chemical properties. The initial title was mentioned in the annual report as Methylsafrylamin. The reason why it was made in the first place, was, as the article above indicates; as a synthetic route to methylhydrastanin, a blood clotting agent. A rival company owned the patent for hydrastinin and Merck researchers reasoned the methyl homologue would also be effective as a haemostatic. It was tested on humans, and two patents filed. 15 years later it re-examined when the company was looking at "andrenaline -or ephetonine -like substances" based on safrole. It was then termed Safryl-methyl-amin and some of its pharmacology was establised. It next surfaced in 1952.....


Check out this article for the full story.

The origin of MDMA (ecstasy) revisited: the true story reconstructed from the original documents Roland W. Freudenmann, Florian Öxler, and Sabine Bernschneider-Reif (2006)
Addiction 101: 1241. doi:10.1111/j.1360-0443.2006.01511.x.
 
Do you think they will ever consider bringing back MDMA research as an anti-depressant?
 
Yeah I thought so, if anybody was to back that statement up I would believe it to be yourself as well p_d
 
The bad thing is with todays pills; is that the new generation of pill poppers that have just been getting pipes thinks that's what MDMA is when it is nothing like that... Then they try to go on and on and on about the effects they had were the best and better then the effects you, (yourself being the experienced MDMA user), had gotten in the past...

And to make it even worse they think they are better then you because they get all shaky and flustered from it... God it just makes me angry remembering some of the past conversations I've had with some of these fuck wits.

Although it's not their fault they haven't been able to experience actual MDMA and it's getting even worse now that they are pressing mephedrone, methylone and other RCs into pills. With this becoming even more common it still hasn't effected the supply and demand which is partly why their is no MDMA because us Aussies are the highest consumers of it.

Gone are the days that you are guaranteed an awesome MDMA pill for a reasonable price and now are the days of a pinch of pipes and a dash of RCs for cheap.
 
I just had a look on PR.com for the first time in ages... just to gauge how bad it actually is. It's pretty fricking bad. Page after page of red warnings. I searched for mdxx high, and found only 4 reports for the entire year.

None of them appear to be mdma, geeez. Sorry young people. Like smiggle says, poor young punters.
 
Do you think they will ever consider bringing back MDMA research as an anti-depressant?

I do, but not as an anti-depressant but as a CURE for post traumatic stress.
The U.K did that less then two years ago they re-opened trials. But I didn't hear anything about it since.

This isn't the exact link I was looking for, but it's on the same topic, best I could do lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgnspX-fh-M


As far as thinking this thread should be closed Drug_mentor, I remember saying recently that I thought a thread like this has harm-reduction values because noobies get to hear what it should feel like. This in turn hopefully reduces pips on the streets, less money for pip dealers, reducing harm and one day hopefully leed to the return of MDMA.
Thats how I feel anyway, as long as this thread doesn't get too filled up with crap.
 
Hey p_d, you seem to have a plethora of knowledge on this stuff, so I'll direct this towards you ... do you see a resurgence anytime in the near future? What is your view on MDMA's future, as both a recreational drug and medicinal drug?
 
I'll address this when I've more time. There's a few factors to consider with both recreational availability and medicinal applications.
 
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