train hopping

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what does everyone think? good,bad,safe,not safe?
the reason i ask this is because i met a awesome group of kids that hop rails and ride all over the country.
i know that i have a lot going for me and would hate to throw away all that shit just to hop on a train, but it has crossed my mind ;).

do you have any experience in hoppin trains?
 
The only somewhat-relevant experience I have would be learning about which trains actually checked for tickets, and which basically let you ride on the merit system. Rode around a couple foreign countries this way; even sat in first class a few times. Not exactly proud of it, but I was living in the moment back then and it just kind of seemed like a good rush.

As for actually jumping trains, well I don't think we want to actually cone doing illegal things here, but I'll just say that if it feels like it could work and you're willing to deal with the consequences if you get caught, then it's not the worst of things a person can do. There is a neat appeal, almost like tha of hitching, really to it all.

I'd suggest two things:

1) Have at least enough money so that when you do arrive at Destination X, you can put yourself up for a few nights in a youth hostel, or find a shelter or something before you do it.
Being homeless is terrible, but being homeless hours away from anyone you know can turn into something much more permanent.

2) Be careful. You don't know who's hopping the trains you take. Sure, your friends do and you'll have them. But not everyone who hops trains is as polite. If you do meet strangers doing the same thing, treat them with respect and don't do anything which might make them feel like their own stealthness is compromised.

Take care of yourself, D's. If you make stories, by all means come back and share them. It is a neat concept, but it does not always go as well as in the movies.
 
Its not safe really, tons of predatory motherfuckers on the rails (yes their are some really cool kids doing it too). Also its a felony nowadays. That is not taking into account the physical danger that you put yourself in. From extreme temps, to getting locked inside a box car, to getting hurt or killed while hopping on.

You have to catch trains while they are on the move nowadays. Its very difficult to get away with getting on during a crew change.

Never did it personally but knew tons of kids that did. I did some hitching back in the day and it was sorta fun but I always felt sketchy doing it. I also did the foreign train thing like red leader did. Also almost got arrested in Italy for doing so. Decided to pay for my tickets the majority of the trip after that.

Also, not trying to pry, but D if you are trying to stay sober then this is not the place to do it. Most of the people on the rails are major alcoholics. Lots of them (especially in the southern lines) move alot of meth via the rails. Also alot of dope use too.

Do gotta admit, everytime I see a freight train I look for the hobo tags. I romanticize about doing it, but I'm way past every actually doing it.

If you do decide to do it, maybe try hitching a bit. If you do decide to jump on trains then make sure you have an experienced group doing it. Finally, remember Phish is touring again. Maybe link up with a crew doing a run of shows or something. You do not have to go in, plus you will be around a larger group of people. The thing about hopping freight is that you are often out in very isolated areas. People in these areas are not always very friendly to people riding the rails either.

Not judging and I feel you on the wanderlust. I get it frequently too. Not as much now that I am getting older/more responsible. Sad really.

Anyways D... I work with frequently homeless populations... if their is anything I can do then please PM me.
 
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I didn't write this but hope it helps.


Safety is a big deal on the railroad. It is real easy to get good and hurt. You are made of soft, breakable stuff, while railroad equipment is made of very hard, very heavy stuff. A rolling boxcar won't even flinch as it quietly rolls right over you in a sneaky surprise attack.

Furthermore, accidents make everyone look bad. You, me, the railroad gal who told you what train to get on, all the people who saw you and were too cool to call the bull on you. This is why, everytime you talk to a rail, he or she will tell you to stay safe.

Don't walk on the tracks. Don't cross under couplers or cars. And watch for cars rolling quietly through the yard. Be careful out there.

Some yards have a railroad cop. The railroad cop is universally referred to as the Bull. The only way to get caught by the bull is being stupid. The bull typically sits is some office somewhere until someone calls him with a problem, which is seldom. Occasionally, the bull will make a foray out of the office to cruise around in the bull-mobile, a white pick-up or bronco, typically. The bull may traverse all the roads through the yard before they retire back to their den. To avoid the bull, stay out of sight of the roads within the yard. Walk between strings of cars. Watch for the bull-mobile. Watch for flashlights. Stay out of danger. Steer clear of the office.

What to Bring

Keep everything dark, dark clothes, dark pack, dark sleeping bag or blanket. This will make it harder to get caught by the railroad cops as you blunder around the train yards.

You'll be walking a lot and throwing your pack on and off of trains, so pack small and light -- under 25 pounds. If you have something in your pack that \fIcan\fR break, it will. Leave your valuables at home.

And think about warmth. Dress in layers. You may end up on an open car in the middle of the night with a 60 mile an hour wind blowing in your face. Your clothes and your sleeping bag should keep you warm and comfortable and dry. If you're cold and wet, freight-hopping will be a miserable experience.

Bring some sturdy gloves and boots to keep you safe as you scramble around on freight cars. And if you prefer not to sunburn your ears and nose off, bring a hat.

Its nice to know where you are. An atlas can come in handy, both for finding where to catch-out and for finding out where you've been left. You may be able to round up a railroad map. Call up the railroad business office and pretend you are doing a study on rail transportation. Ask for a map of American freight lines.

Bring something to drink. Exposure to the wind sucks the liquids right out of you. Bring something that's not going to spill when you throw your pack on and off of cars.

Don't forget to bring your patience. Freight-hopping involves as much walking and waiting as actual riding. You spend most of your time waiting for information, waiting for a train, waiting for your train to get under way, waiting, waiting, waiting. For this you'll need flexibility and patience.

A quick checklist:

* dark clothes
* dark pack under 25 lbs
* sturdy gloves
* sturdy boots
* hat
* railroad atlas or map
* warm, waterproof jacket
* light, warm bedding
* water or other liquid
* non-perishable food
* patience and endurance

Where to Catch-out

Find your local freight yard. There'll be a train leaving or coming through there eventually. Look for train yards in the forgotten part of town, the part of town with all the rough neighborhoods. The yard is usually near big industry, maybe near a river or port. You can often find givaway street names like Railroad Ave. The passenger train station is probably not too far away.

There are freight yards in almost every city in America. However, there are fewer marshalling yards where they make up and break down trains. These big yards are going to be the easiest places to gather information and catch-out. Here you can ask the yard crew which trains are leaving where when.

Some yards are crew change-points. A single crew can work a maximum of twelve hours, so yards at which trains receive fresh crews are strategically placed along the mainlines. These are good yards to catch out from.

How to get Information

Railroad workers are your friends and will help you out whenever possible. Crews can usually only tell you where their train is going and when power's called for. Yard workers often know the whole story. They make up all the trains that are leaving their yard. They know which trains are going where and often when the power is called for. They will sometimes call in to the tower to find out what track your train is on and when it leaves.

What to Ride

In order of preference, you want to ride in open boxcars, on the rear platform of a grainer or hopper, between the wheels of piggybacked trailers, in the well behind cargo containers, on the second or third deck of empty auto carriers, or in empty gondolas. And when you get really bold, you can ride on the back engine of several coupled units at night.

Your safety is the most important consideration. Don't take short cuts to save time. Tank cars carry all sorts of nasty shit and provide no good place to ride; don't ride 'em. Loaded flatcars and loaded gondolas provide you the opportunity to be crushed or pushed off a car by a shifting load; don't ride 'em. Cars marked Bad Order are broken but are frequently not removed from service; don't ride 'em.
 
Those videos are awesome Joe! The whole thing looks like a great adventure, I wouldn't stand being dirty most of the time though.

edit: Do you know where I can find the rest of the episodes (12 and up)?
 
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the first time i got apprehended by the cops was at 16 when me and a friend hopped a train. we just did it for the thrill and jumped off a half mile down the line. damn cops stopped us and gave us a 300 dollar ticket. fucking lame.
 
Wow, this reminds me back in 89 when living with my Dad and stepmom, my real Mom lived on the other side of town and I was 18 at the time or almost 18.

It was Jan and cold cold out yet I was warm having to do all that walking along the bike path and along the far edge of the tracks, there were 3 sets of tracks and I knew better than to stay in view. Early that mornin I was pissing my Dad off while my stepmom was gone. He kicked me out so I started walking towards my Mom's house.

I suddenly decided to hop a train, it seemed like a cool adventure to me and I was just wanting to get out of the area I hated and move to a warm climate. Dumb me I spent hours walking around and like one reply said, the trains were constantly on the move, none were moving slow enough for me to safely jump on. Glad those days are over though, it was just a stupid ignorant "impulse decision". When I was close to my Mom's house I just walked there and she was worried and so was my dad and stepmom.

I wish the hell I had not answered or had my Mom tell them I was at her house yet, but she had to because they were going to report me missing to the police. Dumb mistake. I do have to admit that I always thought trains were cool, on a side note, I think the tank cars look so funny and I used to laugh so hard when I was younger. I thought at first they had explosive lethal chemicals in all of em and I used to laugh and say "lol if you lit a match and threw it inside that tank car, I bet it would go BOOOOOOMMM!!!!".

I was living in some apt's by the tracks and would have fun alone watching the freights go by and laughing at the funniest looking old tank cars and I would make the sound of them exploding. Very funny lol. That was when I used to just be an alcoholic and my drink of choice was mad dog 20/20. Btw, go to www.bumwine.com and you can see the funny sounding stories of all the top bumwines etc.
 
I've been told it's best to talk with people who have already hopped on trains before you do it yourself because you can easily fuck your shit up.
 
Thanks JoeTheStoner!!!!, for the most bitchin links that made my "mayday monday" turn into a new look at life, and life on the road. Makes me want to go "thumbs up America", glad I watched almost every episode so far!!!!.

I learned ALOT, now I'm glad when my Mom and me drove all the way to upper pen, Mich "Drummond Island". Took the ferry back to UP and I decided "nah I dont want to visit Canada". Makes me want to get the F outta this duMp, "yuppie trash Chi west burbs" and ride my way to California, check it out, check out Florida, then get to Europe!!!!. WOO WOO "feel the love".
 
I read a few years ago in the New Yorker bout' train rider gangs that have members who hold real allegaince for the gang and territory beefs happen all the time. Im not trying to scare you or anything. Oh yea, they also have festival type meet ups, usually in the mid west. And these gangs do move alot of meth.
 
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