Opioids To ALL of you ADDICTS out there!

[equip`d]

Considering that over time, weather one is ingesting vicodins, oc's, heroin, or any other opiate daily, ones stomach/liver takes a beating. the stomach becomes less able to digest nutrients and therefore is unable to allow other body parts to absorb nutrients necessary for their function. I without a doubt have found two natural supplements that will bring the stomach AND liver function back to almost their normal state. I swear by these two drugs and its not even a ? if they work or not and how much. You will IMMEDIATELY see the result of these two drugs, when i say immediately i mean the next morning. The NAC (N-acetylcysteine) does exactly the opposite of what APAP/Alcohol/Heroin/opium/etc does to damage the liver. Imagine it like this, the liver is an empty chalkboard. APAP comes around and writes a bunch of shit on that board making its empty space now full and unable to write anymore. Now what NAC does is erase all that bullshit so that the liver now feels fresh and free of stress. TRUST ME that when I say YOU WILL BEGIN TO LOOK SOBER after taking NAC for at least a week. What i mean by that is you will regain some skin color unstead of that ghostly zombie color youve been carrying for so long. That and you become soo much less sensitive to the cold. You know what im talking about you dope heads, that feeling of FREEZINGNESS when you come out of the shower, which you never used to have before you USED. Well thats a result of your immune system being weak. Your immune system being weak is a result of your liver/stomach unable to properly digest/transport all the essential minerals and vitamins you ingest.
NEXT
we have the Probiotics. Im sure youve all seen or heard of these newly discovered medical miracles. Probiotics are fairly new, but im am SURE they will become the goto thing for constipation/irregularities in the next 5 years. All the while, all the dangerous laxative/stool softners out there will either be eliminated to adjusted with a probiotic mixture. Probiotics are the natural bacteria you have in your stomach which are essential for breaking down all that food you shove down your throat into smaller pieces so that the liver can break them down to way smaller pieces (pull out all the vitamins etc). Think of probiotics as stomach soldiers whose only job is to break down the food into smaller pieces. Those stomach soldiers ALWAYS die when things are too acidic (or basic). Almost all of the commonly addictive drugs have an acidic base and therefore quickly eliminate the bacteria/stomach soldiers. Thats why if your a daily user, you always notice that your stool is either way too lose or rock hard. Its never like it used to be, soft but held together with a normal color. Well after you take probiotics, even just the first time also, youll begin to feel your shit coming back to how it used to be. Youll also begin to feel like when you eat, that you actually feel the energy you should be getting from that meal.

Theres also the issue of tolerance, since your system is getting back to how it was before you started using, you are actually getting WAY higher with less amount of stuff due to your body's ability to absorb/digest all that is fed its way.
TRUST ME ON THIS GUYS. Get these two supplements. They sell them at almost all CVS's, Ralphs, Wholefoods, and pharmacies. They are over the counter and the price (about $13) is WAY WORTH the results.

 

[Trigeminal]

You don't have "natural bacteria" living in your stomach. Your stomach is full of hydrochloric acid with a pH of 1.5 to 2.5.

I can't take anything you wrote seriously.

 

[crakkattack]

That's interesting. I actually used to use probiotics for my IBS, due since I'm just now getting over a nasty heroin habit, I think I'll give it another go. Thanks bro

 

[equip`d]

You don't have "natural bacteria" living in your stomach. Your stomach is full of hydrochloric acid with a pH of 1.5 to 2.5.

I can't take anything you wrote seriously.

I dont care what you take from my suggestion as it was just that, a suggestion. I am speaking from personal experience and I believe i have enough sense to tell if something is placebo or actually working. Im not a chemistry major, so I described it to the best of my ability. also, you wouldnt be the type of person I would ever want to try to help because you seem to brush ppl off completely when you feel like one part of them is not to your liking. talk about being judgemental.

 

[daddysgone]

You don't have "natural bacteria" living in your stomach. Your stomach is full of hydrochloric acid with a pH of 1.5 to 2.5.

I can't take anything you wrote seriously.

Im assuming he meant "intestines" and not "stomach".

Anyway, while your post is well-intended, and I do not doubt that the 2 supplements you mention are beneficial, your post is FILLED with inaccuracies.

First off, the reason for opioid related constipation is not primarily due to the "death of probiotics". It is commonly known that opioids bind to the mu opioid receptors in your gut and greatly slow down peristalsis (the undulating motion of your intestines which moves food through the intestines and ultimately leads to a bowel movement). When peristalsis is slowed, the food stays in your intestines much longer and more and more liquid is removed from the fecal matter. This reduction in water content is what is primarily responsible for the rock hard bowel movements and constipation.

Also, the "acidity" of opioids does not kill probiotics. If this were the case, wouldn't things that are FAR more acidic and taken in FAR higher doses (like orange juice) destroy probiotics?

There are several other points you made that are either oversimplified or just flat out inaccurate, but Im not going to bother going on.

Again, your post is clearly well intended, and its a good thing that you are trying to help the community. Additionally, the supplements you mentioned are beneficial, however several of the "facts" you stated needed to be corrected. Thanks-DG

 

[Harley3311]

Cool...but this really isn't a question, just think this needs to be moved...

 

[Cloud_9]

So...... NAC (N-acetylcysteine) and Pro-Biotic agents? I read 3 paragraphs of amped out of your mind typing for this "tip?"

If you wouldn't mind; perhaps you could just list them and fucking bold them or something so I don't just overlook and back-peddle because I can't see anything you say...

Im assuming he meant "intestines" and not "stomach".

Also, the "acidity" of opioids does not kill probiotics. If this were the case, wouldn't things that are FAR more acidic and taken in FAR higher doses (like orange juice) destroy probiotics?

There are several other points you made that are either oversimplified or just flat out inaccurate, but Im not going to bother going on.

Again, your post is clearly well intended, and its a good thing that you are trying to help the community. Additionally, the supplements you mentioned are beneficial, however several of the "facts" you stated needed to be corrected. Thanks-DG

Thanks for hitting all the big ones in your post; but the issue of opioid tolerance has been pretty well studied and just about the only cut and dry way of dealing with it is ultra low-dose Nalaxone/Naltrexone administration concurrent with opioid use; those, or another antagonist.

 

[DangerChamber]

Sorry, lost interest halfway through the first paragraph. Need to take more vicodin to continue.

 

[Sentience]

Yeah, there are a ton of inaccuracies in this post. Also, opiates without tylenol are not especially hard on the liver. We DO have bacteria in your intestines but that has nothing to do with opiate induced constipation.

I would suggest researching and trying again later.

 

[Cloud_9]

Also, opiates without tylenol are not especially hard on the liver.

I was actually quoted just this by the pain-management doctor I saw a while ago and he gave an example of a 94 year old morphine user dependent for some 60 years and his liver and all necessary vitals were relatively healthy; even more so than most 90 year olds!

 

[polio vaccine]

well, even if the op's post has got inaccuracies, are the results he's talking about possible from those two items? cus i have to say, i hate the sensitivity-to-cold thing.

 

[Cloud_9]

well, even if the op's post has got inaccuracies, are the results he's talking about possible from those two items? cus i have to say, i hate the sensitivity-to-cold thing.

I'm pretty sure the warmness associated with opioids is due to the affects it elicits from the way it interferes with the hypothalamus's regulatory signals; aka, the area of your brain, which among other things, controls how your body regulates its own temperature.

Am I correct on this if anybody know for sure?

 

[brutus]

You don't have "natural bacteria" living in your stomach. Your stomach is full of hydrochloric acid with a pH of 1.5 to 2.5.

There is natural bacteria found in the digestive system that aids in digestion.

 

[equip`d]

I'm pretty sure the warmness associated with opioids is due to the affects it elicits from the way it interferes with the hypothalamus's regulatory signals; aka, the area of your brain, which among other things, controls how your body regulates its own temperature.

Am I correct on this if anybody know for sure?

dude cloud 9 your so stubborn. stop trying to act like your a scientific genius and accept that some people know way more than you do, like myself.

 

[Sentience]

I have an AA in Health Sciences and enough units for a Bachelors, plus I have completed some courses to become a nutritionist and 'Holistic Health Practitioner' and have apprenticed as an herbalist. I know a few things about health and the human body.

The OP is full of inaccuracies, though I am glad he is taking an interest in his health and trying to help others.

 

[Cloud_9]

dude cloud 9 your so stubborn. stop trying to act like your a scientific genius and accept that some people know way more than you do, like myself.

Fuck off... I said for someone to correct me if I wasn't right... do you know!?

Edit: How the fuck am I stubborn?

 

[equip`d]

I have an AA in Health Sciences and enough units for a Bachelors, plus I have completed some courses to become a nutritionist and 'Holistic Health Practitioner' and have apprenticed as an herbalist. I know a few things about health and the human body.

The OP is full of inaccuracies, though I am glad he is taking an interest in his health and trying to help others.

If you dont mind, can you please briefly point out the inaccuracies that have ANYTHING to do with the overall point i am trying to get at which is simply that people should take NAC and probiotics. All the other stuff was an attempt for someone who majors in Business to try to make sense of why NAC and probiotics work (WHICH THEY FUCKING DO WHICH IS THE POINT YOU NITPRICKERS!!!)

 

[Cloud_9]

If you dont mind, can you please briefly point out the inaccuracies that have ANYTHING to do with the overall point i am trying to get at which is simply that people should take NAC and probiotics. All the other stuff was an attempt for someone who majors in Business to try to make sense of why NAC and probiotics work (WHICH THEY FUCKING DO WHICH IS THE POINT YOU NITPRICKERS!!!)

Whoa mate, lets calm down....!

I wasn't trying to be personally offensive; I just respond with what comes back at me. I don't disagree with your points necessarily; I just said the only medically sound way of completely reversing a tolerance to opioids is using an antagonist which is excruciatingly painful for those who have been brought back from an OD with one.

I actually think that everyone who does do drugs; specifically alcohol or acetaminophen/Tylenol should use NAC, its a great supplement for preventing liver damage, as well as a lot of other neat things for you. On that I never said it was a bad idea, just not the "cure all" I read your OP to be stating it to be.

As for pro-biotics; I also would also say they are great to have, and I personally take pro-biotics containing supplements every morning I wake up with my Dexedrine and methadone. It helps keep the digestive system moving, as opioid dependent people know; that is a very important function to avoiding a sphincter-bleeding shit every other week. As far as lowering or eliminating my tolerance; I'm not sold on the ideas you forwarded in your statement.

I might have been a little moody and tired when writing the first reply about organizing your post so its easier to read for somebody who comes in just to see what you are saying. I apologize for that if it hit a nerve; I wasn't trying to invalidate your findings; I just wanted to see if you had anything to back up what you are saying other than a testimonial. Sure anecdotes are great; and lots of "tips" for getting the most from drugs come from anecdotes that later turn out to medically be proved right, but I wasn't trying to dismiss you out of hand.

If that seemed like what I said; I apologize again, and if this regiment works for you, go for it; do some research and come back with a supporting mega-thread and we'll all be downing NAC and chugging pro-biotics!

 

[daddysgone]

If you dont mind, can you please briefly point out the inaccuracies that have ANYTHING to do with the overall point i am trying to get at which is simply that people should take NAC and probiotics. All the other stuff was an attempt for someone who majors in Business to try to make sense of why NAC and probiotics work (WHICH THEY FUCKING DO WHICH IS THE POINT YOU NITPRICKERS!!!)

First off, everyone needs to relax.

Second off, I think its completely justifiable and appropriate to correct any inaccuracies.
You have made some suggestions about some supplements which may help with some side effects of opioid use, and you then go on to explain how they work. However, your explanation regarding how these things work are way off (as I pointed out in this post:

First off, the reason for opioid related constipation is not primarily due to the "death of probiotics". It is commonly known that opioids bind to the mu opioid receptors in your gut and greatly slow down peristalsis (the undulating motion of your intestines which moves food through the intestines and ultimately leads to a bowel movement). When peristalsis is slowed, the food stays in your intestines much longer and more and more liquid is removed from the fecal matter. This reduction in water content is what is primarily responsible for the rock hard bowel movements and constipation.

Also, the "acidity" of opioids does not kill probiotics. If this were the case, wouldn't things that are FAR more acidic and taken in FAR higher doses (like orange juice) destroy probiotics?



I dont think that these corrections are "irrelevant".
If someone makes a suggestion about something and then provides an incorrect explanation about how it works, it certainly calls into question the validity of the suggestion as well as the credibility of the person who makes the suggestion.

Think about it-If someone told you that eating fiber helps with constipation (which it does), and then goes on to explain that it helps by making your intestines "more muscular" (which it doesn't), wouldn't this inaccuracy trouble you?

As I said earlier, Im glad you are trying to help the community here, and the supplements you mentioned are helpful to some degree, but you shouldn't be so sensitive when someone corrects false information that you provided.
This community is all about spreading helpful, CORRECT information. If someone sees something that is incorrect, they are right to point out the error and correct it. Its nothing personal. -DG

 

[Cloud_9]

All the other stuff was an attempt for someone who majors in Business to try to make sense of why NAC and probiotics work

Well....I am working toward a degree in "International political economy" and have picked up just about everything I know from a combination of Erowid, Rhodium, Drugs-Forum, The-Hive (RIP), The Shroomery, Bluelight (of course); but honestly my main tools are just google and wikipedia for most of shit I've picked up. Doing that and following up a citation link to something that fascinates you is a great way to get something figured out, though I'm sure you know that as a business major.

I can see you are very passionate about what you think should be the right thing to do; and I respect that, passionate people make great things happen; just in time, and with some more understanding. Hell, with all those you could be fucking president if you want!

But this is off topic... WAY off topic... Any other suggestions people have to lower tolerance?

I've used Ketamine and DXM on occasion for Amphetamine tolerance... would that affect opioid tolerance as well?