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Swapping addictions

Sweet P

Sweet P

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Basically, I'm a meth addict and therapy hasn't been working for me. I asked if I could be prescribed dextro-amphetamines as a safer alternative to meth, but the answer was no (even though this has been done with other addicts in the past). I now feel that I have no way of quitting meth, except possibly swapping it for another addiction which does have programs to quit.

So I'm thinking about increasing my use of morphine and heroin, with the aim of becoming an opiate addict. Hopefully that would replace the meth addiction, and eventually I'd be able to come off the opiates with the aid of suboxone or methadone and be completely clean (except my benzo dependence, which I'll have to address separately). I dunno... what do you think? Do you think it's feasible or would I just be adding another addiction into the mix? :\
 
If you get any euphoric effects from opiates while in methamphetamine withdrawal then it could work. Or at very minimum it brings you to a neutral level instead of depression.

Opiate addiction is far better on your body than meth.
 
In my opinion youll just run the high possibility of becoming cross addicted.

Either that or youll get addicted to opiates for a while.. But the addiction to Meth will still be there. So once your off the opiates you'll go back to meth.

You gotta deal with whatever is holding you back. Deal with whatever pain thats deep inside of you. You need to get honest with yourself. And also honest with whatever theripists your dealing with.

Another Idea is check yourself into a 1 year rehab program, or long term and comit to it. This addiction is not gonna go away over nite, ot in 20 days. Your gonna have to comit a good year to this recovery, and stick with it. you gotta want it more than anything in the world. This is what worked for me

I know we have conflicting views on alot of things. But I would be soo happy to see you clean and sober, and living a happy life. I beleive Ill see that one day!!

I have faith that you can do it!
Keep pushing!
 
SececaRD said:
You gotta deal with whatever is holding you back. Deal with whatever pain thats deep inside of you. You need to get honest with yourself. And also honest with whatever theripists your dealing with.

Another Idea is check yourself into a 1 year rehab program, or long term and comit to it. This addiction is not gonna go away over nite, ot in 20 days. Your gonna have to comit a good year to this recovery, and stick with it. you gotta want it more than anything in the world. This is what worked for me
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I suppose that is true. I've always been 100% open with my drug counsellors, but unfortunately the counselling just hasn't helped, which is why I requested the prescription for d-amps. To be honest, the idea of rehab really freaks me out. I've got some very bad memories from being admitted into psychiatric facilities, etc., and I just don't think I could do it. Even though rehab would obviously be more open than a psych hospital, it would still feel like a prison to me.
 
I have swapped addictions my whole life, it sucks. I so wish I would have dealt with this shit on my countless rehab trips when I was younger. I rationalized opiate maintenance for sooo long because I would tell myself it is better than the alternative, using. I am still alive though and if methadone/buprenorphine were not available when I really needed than I cant say for certain I would be typing this.

Its kinda a shame that you cant get on some kinda maintenance in NZ for speed. An old g/f got on Adderall [from her doc] for a coke problem back in the day. IMO it ended up messing her up more than before. Yeah it might be scripted off label and on the downlow but there is obviously a reason why it is not 'specifically' used to maintain a speed run. IMO because it is truly a very self destructing drug. I cant say it wouldnt work though.

I agree a long term rehab, remove yourself from your environment and concentrate HARD on recovery. If thats what you want. If you still want to use or know in the back of your mind you still want to use go anyways. Although geographical kicks/cures NEVER worked for me they do work for alot of people.

Peace,
Seedless
 
it is possible to swap addictions and doing so can be beneficial if one drug is more destructive than another. but it is much better to just get clean of everything. i realize you probably won't agree with that, until you've gotten clean of everything and can look back and i understand, since i was exactly the same way.
 
^ I agree, being clean of everything is best, but right now being clean just isn't an option. I can't stand meth withdrawals... they bring my life to a complete halt, which really isn't practical when you have commitments and things to do.
 
I wouldn't recommend heroin as an alternative, methadone would be much better. With heroin you would still be dealing with a lot of destructive aspects of drug living, even if it was better for you physically. Getting on methadone would take you off the meth, and it would also take you out of the drug world entirely, making a lapse back onto meth less likely.

For myself i have thought about going back on suboxone to deal with alcoholism.
 
^ I wouldn't be able to go onto methadone without having an opiate addiction.

And nobody I know who's on methadone would sell it to me, so that's out of the question.
 
Sweet P said:
^ I agree, being clean of everything is best, but right now being clean just isn't an option. I can't stand meth withdrawals... they bring my life to a complete halt, which really isn't practical when you have commitments and things to do.
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I've never understood when people afflicted with addiction say this. "being clean just isn't an option".

I am not attacking or blaming at all so I REALLY hope you don't see it that way. I'm a proponent of the disease model and I think that this mentality is absolutely a manifestation of the disease itself.

They say that addiction (or sometimes said alcoholism) is the only disease that convinces you do you not have a disease... and I think similarly, I think its one of the only disease that convinces you that YOU DO NOT have viable alternatives.

In this life however alternatives always exist. If you are willing to make some meaningful changes and truly want something else in life, the option is always open.

There is very little in life that is not a choice, often times people feel lead or forced into one choice or another but in the end, you always have options. Often people in treatment here say, "I have no choice, it was this or jail". Yeah, that isn't the best choice, but its still a choice.

My point is that despite the struggles you've faced (which are obviously far more than your fair share), you should always know that alternatives exist because that is the human condition. Unless you are locked in prison with every aspect of your life controlled by force, options exist. I understand that you have a severely uphill battle and I am not saying you are in any way wrong for the struggles you've faced, I just want you to know that there are ALWAYS alternatives, ALWAYS choices and therefor always a reason to have some hope.

take care, love.
 
That's a good point Cane2theLeft, although sometimes being clean really isn't an option you can take lightly when you have commitments and things to do. I am learning that with benzo withdrawal, which I'm going through now. I've been in touch with people who've lost their careers, their homes and cannot put food on the table for their kids because of benzo withdrawal. In cases where your children are depending on you, it can be a very tough decision, to incapacitate yourself with drug withdrawal for an extended period of time.

However, sometimes you just have to be selfish (well caring for yourself isn't really selfish) and just put all your commitments aside and do whatever it takes to get clean. I'm not sure what commitments you have Sweet P, but what would happen if you just said to hell with them and got clean? I realize it might upset a lot of people who expect things from you, but there's not much they could do about it. No one who truly cares about you would ask you to go back on drugs.
 
Ive known people who have gotten scripted dextroamphetamine for meth addiction and they are doing pretty good on it. It can fuck you up but it's better then meth.

As for going on opiates id say the possibility of getting addicted to both is high. I know id most likely end up addicted to both since i like mixing amphetamines and opiates. I never found amphetamines addictive though since opiates where what i was always on.
 
To be honest I think that if you feel you need something, then heroin, with an aim to get onto a maintenance program, could be a good choice.

However I think you need to be so careful that like others have said, you're not just adding in a different drug to the mix.

I originally started using heroin a few years back because I'd decided I needed to get clean off meth. Lately when I've tried to quit meth, I've used cocaine and mda heavily because I rationalise that that's ok, it's not ice.

But really it's all just dancing around the main prize, what you really want - meth. And eventually all that other drug use will lead back to what you really want.

Even after trying to substitute with other drugs all those times, I always, always, always, come back to meth in the end, because that's what I REALLY want.

So yes, heroin could possibly be healthier, but how realistic is it to think you'll be able to cut it out completely with heroin, I think that's what you need to ask yourself...<3
 
Sweet P said:
^ I wouldn't be able to go onto methadone without having an opiate addiction.

And nobody I know who's on methadone would sell it to me, so that's out of the question.
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Faking an opiate addiction to get onto methadone would not be all that difficult. At least in my experience this was the case. All you need is a bit of opiates in your system so you can blow the initial drug test. Just go in, tell them you have been using for a year, shake a bit and act cold and nervous. They care most about your money, like any good drug dealer.

For the record i didn't fake my opiate addiction to get on methadone, but i can see nothing in the process that would have made it difficult.


I guess the most important question would be, do opiates make you feel like you don't need meth? If yes then it might work out, if not then i would not even try.
 
I know a guy who did exactly that - got hooked on heroin as a means of getting clean off speed...


fast forward 10-15 years later....he's right back where he began, only this time shooting crystal like it's going out of fashion..

point being: you always end up coming back :\
no matter where the path takes you via detour...........
 
wait wait, so they give methamp addicts dexedrine to maintain on for life??or is it to wean down off the methamphetamine??this is new to me, never heard of it being done..

as for willing to go thru sickness to get better, well its your choice...we have all tried to dodge being sick for whatever reason but the bottom line is it will always be there, you cannot avoid it forever...beter to face it now and start the healing process then wait years down the road..
 
Sweet P I have a question for you:


Im not too fimilar with meth at all so excuse my ignorance. Ive done it a few times, but here in the Midwest "Detroit" Michigan they dont have much here, its more down south.


Ive always thought meth wasnt phisically addicting just mental. Can you elaborate on this topic??

Whats the W/Ds like? THANKS A TON
 
SececaRD said:
Sweet P I have a question for you:


Im not too fimilar with meth at all so excuse my ignorance. Ive done it a few times, but here in the Midwest "Detroit" Michigan they dont have much here, its more down south.


Ive always thought meth wasnt phisically addicting just mental. Can you elaborate on this topic??

Whats the W/Ds like? THANKS A TON
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I actually thought the same thing. I mean, I knew it was physically addicting to a degree because in my experience all drugs are. For instance, I was told marijuana was not physically addictive but after experiencing withdrawal myself and doing some research, I found that it was, just not very much. And I thought meth and cocaine were similar. I know the PDR lists methamphetamine as not physically addictive.
 
IMO/E when you get substances that say they are not physically addicting that is true on some level, but the psychological w/d can be intense and can manifest in physical symptoms. Kinda confusing but thats my take.

Peace,
Seedless
 
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