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Psychiatry - a pseudoscience that simply shouldn't exist in today's modern world.

I assume you're referring to Major Depressive Disorder in the DSM-IV, because there is no disorder listed in that book as "depression." Major Depressive Disorder isn't a natural state of mind and never was. It's a terrible debilitating illness, often caused by a chemical imbalance that can't be treated (as in my case) without medication. To say that it's simply the result of my life not going as I want it to is insulting. And most modern anti-depressants do not degrade your overall quality of life in the long run... there is no evidence to prove that.
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where's the evidence that depression is caused by chemical imbalance that can't be treated without medication? it would be nice if you backed up some of this stuff you''ve been saying.
 
I cant stand psychologist, psychiatrists, drug counselors, etc

thanks to these people and their profession no one has a personality anymore, they have a "disorder"

(Edited out rude comments.)
 
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I dont really feel like writing a wall even though i could because of what i went through, but I will say this: I believe psychiatry is either hit or miss and having a very good doctor who respects you and doesn't see you as a mental case even if you are is of the utmost importance.
 
burn out said:
where's the evidence that depression is caused by chemical imbalance that can't be treated without medication? it would be nice if you backed up some of this stuff you''ve been saying.
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You obviously missed the word "often" in the text you quoted. I said "(it's) often caused by a chemical imbalance that can't be treated (as in my case) without medication." I'm basing what I said on the experience of myself and many other people I've met who have MDD. Therapy was ineffective. Medication worked. And I shouldn't have to provide evidence that depression can be caused by a chemical imbalance - that's common knowledge. Look it up on Wikipedia.
 
juniortha3rd said:
I cant stand psychologist, psychiatrists, drug counselors, etc

thanks to these people and their profession no one has a personality anymore, they have a "disorder"

every crazy bitch I've met that's in college is a psychology major- NO EXCEPTIONS

any retard with a half a brain and a pulse can get themselves a degree in psychology

"Yes, but how does that make you FeeeEeeeEeeeEEELLL?"

FUCK OFF
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You fuck off. My drug counsellor saved my life. And have you ever actually studied psychology? Or are you just assuming that's it's an easy degree that "any retard with half a brain and a pulse can get"? You're making a fool of yourself.
 
Sweet P said:
You fuck off. My drug counsellor saved my life. And have you ever actually studied psychology? Or are you just assuming that's it's an easy degree that "any retard with half a brain and a pulse can get"? You're making a fool of yourself.
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Yes I've studied psychology and it was ridiculously easy. Any living human being with a pulse can obtain a degree.

I mean, you claim that it's not an easy degree...? Compared to what exactly?

(and I doubt that your drug counselor "saved your life." I bet it was all you but for some reason, you want to give the credit to a high paid quack)

I accept that some people just need someone to talk to and sometimes a professional is the only one who will listen, but IMO, there are WAYYYYY too many psychiatrists and WAAAYYYYYYY too many people using their services
 
^ Did you complete the full psychology degree, or just do a 101 class?
 
I was one class away from an associates degree

like I said, you claim its not an easy degree, but compared to what????
 
Sweet P said:
You obviously missed the word "often" in the text you quoted. I said "(it's) often caused by a chemical imbalance that can't be treated (as in my case) without medication." I'm basing what I said on the experience of myself and many other people I've met who have MDD. Therapy was ineffective. Medication worked. And I shouldn't have to provide evidence that depression can be caused by a chemical imbalance - that's common knowledge. Look it up on Wikipedia.
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i didn't miss the word often, there's no proof depression is ever caused by a "chemical imbalance" except maybe if something else causes the chemical imbalance, like drugs or another health problem, in which case that issue needs to be addressed before the so called "chemical imbalance". nowhere in wikipedia does it say that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance either, it's just a theory. a theory which was popularized largely for the purpose of selling anti-depressant drugs.
 
burn out said:
i didn't miss the word often, there's no proof depression is ever caused by a "chemical imbalance" except maybe if something else causes the chemical imbalance, like drugs or another health problem, in which case that issue needs to be addressed before the so called "chemical imbalance". nowhere in wikipedia does it say that depression is caused by a chemical imbalance either, it's just a theory. a theory which was popularized largely for the purpose of selling anti-depressant drugs.
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Yes, it's a theory, but it seems reasonable to me. Here's what Wikipedia had to say...

Serotonin is hypothesized to help regulate other neurotransmitter systems; decreased serotonin activity may allow these systems to act in unusual and erratic ways. According to this "permissive hypothesis", depression arises when low serotonin levels promote low levels of norepinephrine, another monoamine neurotransmitter. Some antidepressants enhance the levels of norepinephrine directly, whereas others raise the levels of dopamine, a third monoamine neurotransmitter. These observations gave rise to the monoamine hypothesis of depression. In its contemporary formulation, the monoamine hypothesis postulates that a deficiency of certain neurotransmitters is responsible for the corresponding features of depression: "Norepinephrine may be related to alertness and energy as well as anxiety, attention, and interest in life; [lack of] serotonin to anxiety, obsessions, and compulsions; and dopamine to attention, motivation, pleasure, and reward, as well as interest in life." The proponents of this theory recommend the choice of an antidepressant with mechanism of action that impacts the most prominent symptoms. Anxious and irritable patients should be treated with SSRIs or norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors, and those experiencing a loss of energy and enjoyment of life with norepinephrine- and dopamine-enhancing drugs.
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burn out said:
a theory which was popularized largely for the purpose of selling anti-depressant drugs.
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This speaks volumes. Neither psychology nor psychiatry create and research theories so that drug companies can get rich. Get real.
 
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Dopamine_Cowboy said:
So what you are saying is you haven't even completed second year psych. Yet you are expert enough to dismiss psychology as bullshit. lol

Ok man....
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Ha, I didn't even know what an associate's degree was until now (NZ universities don't offer associate's degrees, as far as I know). Being a two year degree, it's not even close a Bachelor's degree in psychology, let alone a Master's degree which clinical psychologists need (at the minimum) to be qualified. So Junior, don't dismiss it as easy.
 
I don't know why bluelighters and people in the drug culture in general have so much respect and admiration for psychologists/psychiatrists.

In my mind, they stand right next to the judges, cops, and probation officers...... just another part of drug war system. (drugs legalized? more than half of these clowns would be out of work)

Not to mention most these whores are complicit in the takeover of the health care industry by big pharmaceutical companies. (they hand out ritalin to kids like it was candy)

We need alot less Pro Drug War pseudodoctors in this world
 
Scientology is a much better study of the spirit than psychology with its all inclusive vocabulary.
Scientology considers the psychiatrist the "known social enemy". Every year they hold a big ass get-together where the past years record of psychiatrict abuse and psychologists who have been convicted on charges ranging on everything from sexual abuse to tax evasion is announced.

A few facts:
1) I study and read Scientology, and have been locked up 20+ times by a psychiatrist for using SCT vocabulary to explain the physical and mental abuse I've suffered by my father.

2) With Scientology training there is no need for licensed psycholgists or the APA. You are then able to "invent" really good, workable therapy "on the fly".

Any common citizen who is impressed by "psycholgy" as taught in Universities is an idiot as its usually Fruadien psychology and therefore GARBAGE.

The BEST thing you can do when on a 2pc paper (locked up in a ward) is act calm and request to speak to a mental health legal aid. This person is versed in protecting your rights and can help get you out of there sooner than what the psyches would like to keep you.

And I would please like no harsh comments as I respect the individual who is looking to do the work and improve their person no matter what therapy they use. Drug therapy is drug therapy.
 
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@junior

From your last post it seems to me that your just pissed of at the American justice system, which I can totally understand. However, Sweet P is from New Zealand, where it's probably different.

Here in Holland it's also different from the US. Criminals with mental problems actually get treatment. Is it true that a state doctor in the US will basically never testify that a defendant is legally insane?
 
Sweet P said:
Ha, I didn't even know what an associate's degree was until now (NZ universities don't offer associate's degrees, as far as I know). Being a two year degree, it's not even close a Bachelor's degree in psychology, let alone a Master's degree which clinical psychologists need (at the minimum) to be qualified. So Junior, don't dismiss it as easy.
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We offer Associate of Arts degrees generally on the state level as springboards into universities. There are advantages and disadvantages to going directly to university in the US - biggest disadvantage is the price. I went to a college and earned my AA in psychology before transferring to university, after initially attending and hating university at age 18. The smaller environment was ideal for me. I don't like being a face in a lecture hall; my school was very small and intense. Thus, no, my AA was not on par with a graduate degree, but it was intended as BA preparation.

Most of the more difficult classes I took were upper-division when I got to university.

I don't claim to be a diagnostician of any kind and unless you count the toll it takes on one's own mental health to work with attorneys, I've never applied my degree in any way. It qualifies me as little better than an informed layperson.

Junior, which class was it that got in your way, out of curiosity, if the degree is so easy to obtain? It requires more than a C average and given the number of people that want to do psychology degrees, it's probably more competitive now than when I was in college/university. Some of the professors who I took as an AA student would be facepalming at everything you've written in this thread.
 
brian-amp said:
Any common citizen who is impressed by "psycholgy" as taught in Universities is an idiot as its usually Fruadien psychology and therefore GARBAGE.
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This^ is utter BS.

I don't know what world/country you are from, but in Canada (and I suspect in most, if not all, countries) the study of psychology at the university level covers much more than just Freudian theory. You'd be hard pressed to find a "pure" Freudian psych professor...or, for that matter, a hardcore Freudian psychiatrist or psychologist/counsellor. Freud just ain't that popular anymore dude.
 
brian-amp said:
Any common citizen who is impressed by "psycholgy" as taught in Universities is an idiot as its usually Fruadien psychology and therefore GARBAGE.
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Lolwut?

Freudian psychoanalysis isn't really used by anybody anymore. You can't really prove or disprove Freud, which is why he's not really held to be very scientific by the psychological/psychiatric community. Cognitive-behavioral therapy is usually what's used now. Oh and its spelled "fraud" if you're going to try and pun off his name.
 
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