First acid trip, turned out to be DOB, long lasting negative effects.

[dougdoug]

i kinda want smoking to be for when i get better. i don't want to regress, or to feel any less normal.
i have many great memories from pot.

 

[PinkPanther2]

PinkPanther, i think you've been taking my words the wrong way. I am not discrediting your experience, I have even had success from medicating with weed. Its effects just vary to much to be given as concrete advice.

DougDoug, I'm glad you're sticking to your decision to stay sober for the time being.
If you DO decide to smoke, start off with a very low dose. If it makes you feel better, great. If it doesnt, drop it.

its cool. i mean, were really all here cause we want to talk, and dougdoug's having a problem and we all want to help.. i can dig it.. no worries! i was kind of thinking about when you smoke pot for a while and shit really levels out.. energy levels are lower than "sober" but stuff is real chill.. i can almost guarantee that the first time you smoke pot dougdoug your gonna have high anxiety levels so i don't think just doing it once is a good idea.

ah, just try and relax. get back to doing whatever it is you love to do as best you can and try to enjoy it. before you know it, you'll have new problems in life to deal with! :D

 

[dougdoug]

its cool. i mean, were really all here cause we want to talk, and dougdoug's having a problem and we all want to help.. i can dig it.. no worries! i was kind of thinking about when you smoke pot for a while and shit really levels out.. energy levels are lower than "sober" but stuff is real chill.. i can almost guarantee that the first time you smoke pot dougdoug your gonna have high anxiety levels so i don't think just doing it once is a good idea.

ah, just try and relax. get back to doing whatever it is you love to do as best you can and try to enjoy it. before you know it, you'll have new problems in life to deal with! :D

thanks pinkpanther, your use of emoticons are outstanding.

 

[enduin]

I think your best guess would be zero drugs, exercise and patience, a lot of patience. I'm sure this is not permanent, it's been just 2 months man! I know for you in this crappy situation it felt like a lot more, but it's still a very short period of time. If after 2 years it's still the same, maybe it could be a concerning, but after 2 months it's pretty normal you are still messed up.

And if you really can't bear with the situation, some Xanax can work wonders for psychedelics induced anxiety, but keep in mind you can't take it everyday for long time or it'll become a VERY nasty addiction. You should use it when you get the worst symptoms or once every while to get a day of relief, like say weekend (but no booze then!) so you can go out, stay with people and forget about your problem at least 1-2 days in a week. This is important shit! The more you stay alone and think about it, the longer it'll take to go away.

 

[bogdan_nad]

You can try pot 2 3 times and see how you feel, in my opinion you have 2 options:

-You will feel very well in your body, you will sleep and rest better…in a natural way
-Or, you will have panic attacks became paranoid, and in this situation you will stop smoking it, it is impossible to damage you more.

Try to it fruit, vegetables, make some sport and socialize a lot, don’t isolate yourself, good feeling is strong connected with your daily activities…be busy all the time....do not be bored

 

[blacktusk]

pink panther, your ignorance amazes me. He's expressed the fact that he wants to stay sober. He doesn't need to get further out of his mind through buds. It's only going to hinder his healing process. You have to go through shit to get to the good. Using drugs to make the shit feel better is only pushing away the inevitable. You may have a really light-hearted approach to weed and such, but weed isn't a soft-drug to everyone. If he's experiencing physical discomfort and anxiety, weed will definitely only make the situation worse. He doesn't need to lighten up at all, he needs to work through and recover. This requires being serious about it.

 

[Pyramedic]

I'm sure you'll be okey, such long experiences can be very draining. For my own curiousity - as I've been very interested in two feelings, the one being "something's going to happen" and the other the feeling of being ripped off from this universe (not quite ego death, though) - does the sharp feeling of something going to happen remind you of any thought or idea you had during the trip?

Milk, fish and eggs have some B12 which your brains need for quicker refilling and flaxseeds give the last fats needed by brainssss that fish might lack.

Reintroducing fish to your diet was probably a smart move.

-Or, you will have panic attacks became paranoid, and in this situation you will stop smoking it, it is impossible to damage you more.

This is entirely false. Panic attacks, extreme paranoia and anxiety can be very stressful for your psyche and I am very certain bad reactions from weed would cause the OP's problems to get worse. Probably not by much, but still. Also, if these effects were caused by a more serious condition(which I doubt!) that was later found out, smoking weed now might make it worse.

Your mind is just as much a living entiety as is your body and gives long lasting reactions to negative feelings.

 

[g1zzl3]

I got fucked from Acid also... it was real LSD tryed it about 5 times in all and ever since been changed, now have HPPD and overanalyze everything too deep, paranoia & anxiety

 

[Tikhil]

I happen to strongly agree with pinkpanther because of my buddies experiance. I posted a thread about it here in PD but to be quick he took some LSD and it really really pushed his limits. Weed calmed him down and make him have new faith that things will return to normal because when he smoked he felt the way he thought he should, in fact there was less anxiety then before he had the bad trip.

Aside from that your doctor sounds like an idiot, you are not out of seritonine, because thats not how DOB works. It stimulates the sertotinine receptors in your brain because it is very similar molecular structure to serotonin, it does not cause extended release like MDMA, and weed works off a dopamine channel so it would not exasperate the issue.

correct me if I'm wrong, i just woke up.

 

[DOB]

Over 2 months ago I took what I thought was LSD but it turned out to be DOB. I had a 30 hour bad trip even though it was just half a hit (probably because it was my first time). Despite the horrible experience, it was just the beginning. The first month I had intense anxiety and anxiety attacks, and when I wasn't having horrible anxiety, I would worrying all the time. Once that wasn't so prominent in my life, the bizarre feelings and paranoia came in. I constantly feel very weird and out of body, I see things that aren't there in my peripherals as well as random white dots occasionally, my head feels like there's a chemical war being waged in it, my vision is not as sharp as it was, I'll have sharp feelings of something that's going to happen (as if I going to seizure or something), I have a slight feeling of being sick sometimes, and I have many flashbacks. It's all very discomforting, I haven't had a normal day in over 2 months. I'm not abuser of drugs, I never used them to any extreme, I just wanted an experience. I'm just 20 years old, I've been clean since this happened. Of course with this going on I had to ask my doctor about it, his diagnosis was that I had drained my serotonin or serotonin receptors, and everything is reseting, and that it would take 4-6 months for me to be normal again. Along with some other things i can't recall. He said he could prescribe me with medication used in a similar situation with people with aspergers syndrome, to help me recover faster. I guess I'm posting here for a second opinion or some insight to this.

how do you know its dob? every fucking time someone get blotter with something different than acid its like "it must be that bad dob,omg how unpleasent.... " there are thousands things that could be there but somehow everyone acts like walking laboratory and its "bad dob" aggain.I think whatever was in blotter triggered HPPD in your head,half hit of dob is just giggles and little euphory not some terror toxic trip that will fuck up your head for months,even if you had super mega pottent 2mg hit ( they are usually around 0.50-0.80mg )

 

[bogdan_nad]

I'm sure you'll be okey, such long experiences can be very draining. For my own curiousity - as I've been very interested in two feelings, the one being "something's going to happen" and the other the feeling of being ripped off from this universe (not quite ego death, though) - does the sharp feeling of something going to happen remind you of any thought or idea you had during the trip?

Milk, fish and eggs have some B12 which your brains need for quicker refilling and flaxseeds give the last fats needed by brainssss that fish might lack.

Reintroducing fish to your diet was probably a smart move.



This is entirely false. Panic attacks, extreme paranoia and anxiety can be very stressful for your psyche and I am very certain bad reactions from weed would cause the OP's problems to get worse. Probably not by much, but still. Also, if these effects were caused by a more serious condition(which I doubt!) that was later found out, smoking weed now might make it worse.

Your mind is just as much a living entiety as is your body and gives long lasting reactions to negative feelings.

my friend, weed is one of the safest substance on earth, if he has some experience with it, I'm sure that he would help his condition a lot... for coming back to "normal" he need a lot of rest, and weed can provide this to him in a natural way. In the same time, weed, can help him to become more relax, confident with him and person around him, good for socialize.

The risk for trying to smoke weed are very low, in the worst scenario he will became anxious and paranoid for few hours and after he will sleep like a baby, if he succeed he will be more confident, he will rest better and recover sooner…sometimes you may risk, and in this case the risk is minimal.

 

[dougdoug]

my doctor didn't say anything about not smoking pot, he actually recommended a lot of the same things you guys have recommended (sleep, working out, waiting it out) he's my personal doctor, so i don't think he has much to lie about to me. yeah, i never knew what to think about the serotonin theory because of all the other side effects.

i think it was dob because it was bitter, it took about 2-3 hours to fully hit, and it lasted such a long time off of just a half a hit. i don't really care what it was.

my trip was this: okay at the beginning, smoking weed with friends. eventually me and my friend who shared the hit decided to go home because we thought it was wearing off on us and we did too small of amount to actually get anything more. we skated around for a bit and then got in his car to leave. 3 minutes driving i feel it and think "oh i'm tripping now" and the rest of the night to the next day was one big panic attack. it was like my body was rejecting it. i couldn't stop pacing everywhere, every time i tried to sit down, i would kinda of freak out. i didn't know what a panic attack felt like so i thought i was about to have a heart attack the whole time. which the fear of that still caries on till now, panic attacks are still new to me.

something sharp happening could relate to something that happened during the trip. i believe a lot of my anxiety had to manifest itself into some sort of fear so i can have it. but sometimes i won't be thinking about anything and anxiety will happen. i get waves of some intense weird horrible feeling randomly sometimes. it kind of feels like an anxiety attack but it feels very strange and it's just a wave over me and then it subsides.

 

[dougdoug]

alright, fair enough. but chemicals on the whole aren't the enemy. and grouping DOB, which i accidentally did myself years back and hated it, with anything that changes mood or brain chemistry is just not fair! you know, you seem pretty level headed from what i can tell..

i try to be, my life is still going on around me. i have college full time, and i have my hobbies that i have sort pushed aside but not stopped.

 

[PinkPanther2]

pink panther, your ignorance amazes me.

You know what? I AM pretty amazing! :D:D:D

 

[pseudononamouse]

my trip was this: okay at the beginning, smoking weed with friends. eventually me and my friend who shared the hit decided to go home because we thought it was wearing off on us and we did too small of amount to actually get anything more. we skated around for a bit and then got in his car to leave. 3 minutes driving i feel it and think "oh i'm tripping now" and the rest of the night to the next day was one big panic attack. it was like my body was rejecting it. i couldn't stop pacing everywhere, every time i tried to sit down, i would kinda of freak out. i didn't know what a panic attack felt like so i thought i was about to have a heart attack the whole time. which the fear of that still caries on till now, panic attacks are still new to me.

something sharp happening could relate to something that happened during the trip. i believe a lot of my anxiety had to manifest itself into some sort of fear so i can have it. but sometimes i won't be thinking about anything and anxiety will happen. i get waves of some intense weird horrible feeling randomly sometimes. it kind of feels like an anxiety attack but it feels very strange and it's just a wave over me and then it subsides.

Sounds like it is psychosomatic. I think you need to figure out why you panicked so much. Talk to the people you were with to help you remember what you did and said.

But either way, exercise should help you feel in your body more.

 

[Roger&Me]

start smoking pot daily.

I disagree. Smoking pot can aggravate anxiety symptoms exponentially.

I personally think the best course of action for the OP is exercise, nutrition, and meditation. And a break from all psychoactives, including cannabis and alcohol, for a long time.

 

[JBrandon]

Wow... PinkPanther, I understand what you are saying about not fixating on the condition and trying to live life normally but the guy said he wants to stay sober - you gotta respect that, no matter how you would deal with this in your personal life.

Weed isn't all that great for everyone. I've had some terrible anxiety with marijuana.

DougDough - I think staying clean, eating right, and working out are the best things that you could possibly do. You've got the right idea and I'm sure you're just reeling from having such a traumatic experience. I believe you'll be alright in the end!

I've had bad shroom trips but I haven't had any lasting problems from them. I want to get some acid but this isn't the first "DOB" / "whatever" horror story I've heard and quite frankly they've got me spooked. Considering how much easier RCs are to get than the real LSD, I am sure we'll be seeing more of these.

 

[jselby]

I would definitely take ssri medication as prescribed by your doctor.

 

[montel]

It's a long hard battle but try to stay sober and work it out of the system- I had a similar experience with LSD when I was 18 - I can relate the anxiety attacks that you describe, they were very intense for a few months and it took a good six months for me to feel 'normal' again.

I agree with the others here, sure, weed can help some people but it can also drag the whole messy experience out so it's probably not advisable, you want to recover healthily, quickly & properly.

The question here is why? the anxiety attacks:

I reasoned it like this: What I saw during that trip was enough to make me believe that I wasn't back on planet earth. It was that intense, visual hallucinations weren't limited to "wow, that cigarette packet is mutating" but rather "what the fuck is this intense light show that's going on all around me (when my eyes were open or closed) - there was simply no escaping it and parts of my brain simply shut down (they were essentially dormant). The triggers for the anxiety attacks relate to my first comment, it's this notion that what I saw on the other side was so powerful that my brain was continuously questioning reality... for six months. Naturally, it got easier in time - but that's what I believe was going on up there in my brain.

How to deal with it? My solution was, ultimately, rather simple - Let's say for a moment that what we do indeed see is all illusion... well, there's nothing I can do to change that - so I might as well live with it. Accept this and the fascination with the "is it real? isn't it?" debate that's wizzing round like a sports car in your head will slowly subside...

I thought I was fucked for life - 15 years later I can say with my hand on my heart that nothing is wrong with me, nor do I feel that I damaged anything back then. The brain is far more complex than whatever a tab of lsd can do to you. You just need to ride it out.

One word of caution - the exact same thing happened to someone I know way back then who was around my age. - He did get help and the problem exploded to the point where he's on heavy duty meds to this day and is generally in poor mental shape. It wasn't the drugs that did this, it was the way those around him reacted to his experience - in particular, overbearing parents.

Truth is, we know so little about the brain to this day that no one is really going to fully grasp what you've been through. If you are going to make a recovery, do the research yourself and be very careful how you talk to others - most normal people won't have a clue what you've been through. Read books - In particular, read 'The Doors of Perception' - I learnt more in that book about my experience than any doctor or 'professional' could ever have taught me. Be objective, and try to find out what makes sense to you and what helps you to rationalise the experience to yourself.

[sermon over]

 

[zzx]

Imo 2 months is not that long. I've been in "weird" head spaces after trips for months but eventually it just fades away. Also it took like 8 months or more to recover after going a bit overboard with pills that had some sick shit in them, piperazines probably. Everyday multiple deja vu's, trouble recognizing faces, some vocabulary missing and somewhat impaired short term memory. This may sound a bit stupid but the freakiest thing was that from time to time it was impossible to tell familiar people from unfamiliar, this was most obvious when watching random pictures on the internet. Anyways my point being, you had obviously rough time and in terms of recovery two months isn't that long. I wish you all the best and good luck.