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Etymology of "chasing the dragon"

ranunky

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I understand that 'chasing' refers to the action, but from where does the dragon part come? If I were to hazard a guess I'd say that the phrase comes from china since dragons ae powerful, somewhat divine creaturess over there and it's a land with a history of opioid use. Does anyone actually know where the phrase comes from?
 
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Haha, south park is great

I know some people think the dragon means the high, and you're always chasing it

I always thought it referred to smoking heroin. How you have to chase the smoke (which can look like a dragon?)
 
im pretty sure it means to pursue something you cannot catch. The dragon being the high you get the first few times.
 
Because of the way you smoke it. You are chasing the "dragon." You chase the black dot that breathes red fire with your trusty toot sword. Usually when you smoke tar it leaves behind this red liquid. (I tend to find that when its red its bad tar though, its brown when its good tar)
 
At the risk of self-promotion, here's an excerpt from my book on opiates and painkillers (currently sitting on my editor's desk):

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In the 1950s heroin addicts in Hong Kong began using a new method of ingesting their heroin. Placing a mixture of one part heroin and four parts daii fan, a barbituate sleeping powder, on a piece of creased tin foil, they then heated the mixture until smoke began to rise. To ensure the mix vaporized and didn't burn, they moved the heat source, then "chased the dragon" (chui lung) by inhaling it through a thin tube. This technique enabled them to feed their habit without carrying pipes, needles or other incriminating paraphernalia, and quickly spread as the Hong Kong and Chinese governments began cracking down on opiate users.

Heroin hydrochloride does not smoke well: the addition of the barbituate powder increased the amount of vaporization smoked. Later the technique was improved by replacing the barbituate powder with caffeine, creating a smokable mix called "Chinese No. 3." By the 1970s Chinese No. 3 was available in Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia: by the 1980s it had reached India and Pakistan. "Brown sugar" – Iranian heroin consisting of heroin base mixed with caffeine – became available in Europe in 1975 and by the 1980s many European heroin addicts had replaced injection with smoking. (Others added citric acid or lemon juice to their "brown sugar," thereby converting the base to a water-soluble salt and making it suitable for injection).

Heroin-smoking came later to the United States. Legal pressure on traffickers and importers meant that most American heroin was of low purity. As a result, American heroin addicts preferred injection as the most efficient delivery system. This changed with the advent of "Black Tar heroin" in the 1980s. Black tar heroin is easy to smoke, although the burning vinegar taste (a byproduct of excess acetic acid used in production) leaves much to be desired. Many young users began smoking black tar thinking they were using opium. Others considered it safer than injecting. And with the advent of fentanyl patches [Chapter 14], some users have taken to splitting open patches and then smoking the gel found therein. This is extremely dangerous, given fentanyl's potency: a sufficiently large hit may be the last thing you ever inhale.

While smoking is less hazardous than injecting, it is not without its risks. Many regular heroin smokers report impaired lung function, chronic bronchitis and emphysema. (This danger is compounded if the user also smokes tobacco, cannabis or hashish). Physical dependence can develop quickly, and many addiction specialists believe the quick rush produced by smoking causes an increased risk of psychological addiction. The intense cravings associated with crack smoking can also occur in heroin smokers. And because smoking is comparatively inefficient, many users find their tolerance rises to a point where economics force them to inject their drugs.

A number of heroin smokers have developed toxic leukoencephalopathy. The white matter of their brains begins breaking down, resulting in loss of coordination, slurred speech, and cognitive impairment. This condition has a fatality rate of approximately 25%, while many who survive suffer permanent brain damage. Between January and July 2003 17 cases of heroin-related toxic leukoencephalopathy were confirmed in British Columbia: seven of these were fatal Similar cases have been recorded in New York, Los Angeles, the Netherlands and Taiwan. The toxin which causes this has not yet been identified, and there is little information on how many heroin smokers may presently suffer from mild forms of this condition.
 
no it comes from china - dragon is ubiquitous in that culture, especially back in the day. the smoke from the opium they smoked with that method looked like a mythical dragons tail

Kenaz that was a very worthy 420th post :) and that book sounds pretty interesting to a dude like myself
 
That's actually pretty interesting stuff man. Is this about your personal life, or just a compilation of opiate facts, or a mix of the two?

A little bit of both. My main fields of study are trance possession and Haitian Vodou. When I started doing some research on plant allies, I realized that very few shamanic authors were aware of the role P. somniferum had played in prehistoric Europe. There's a 6,000+ year old cave in Spain where they found bodies buried with poppy pods, and a 7,000+ year old village found beneath a lake in Italy had poppy fields. (Poppies are also the only plant in the agricultural revolution that traveled from west to east: where peas, wheat, etc. originated in central Asia or thereabouts, P. setigerum comes from the French/Spanish Mediterranean coastline and traveled from there around the world).

I did a fair bit of experimentation while writing the book (and I must say that if college had been that much fun I would have graduated magna cum laude!) I liked poppy tea, but I like regular bowel movements more so I gave up on that. And while I still enjoy an occasional recreational opiate, I try to be careful. Poppy is one plant ally you don't want to fool with: she'll give you an ass-kicking that will make you wish you had just taken Datura instead...
 
the real deal is being chased by the dragon
you;re chasing it on cloud 8 going on 9
then
it turns around lets out a few smoke rings from its nose
i tried in haling the dragon smoke once but it seemed to piss him or her off
so i gently backed up then got the fuck out of dodge

8(
 
At the risk of self-promotion, here's an excerpt from my book on opiates and painkillers (currently sitting on my editor's desk):

That really does sound interesting. Any idea when your book might come out or what it will be called. I definitely would be interested in purchasing it.
 
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EVERYONE knows that it's because you see sneaky-ass dragons everywhere when you smoke Opium, and have to chase them down because those fuckers stole your stash!


lol no, I always heard that it was a comment on the Dragon-like shapes that Heroin or Opium smoke would make, as it rose, twirling up from the respective foil or pipe..
 
That really does sound interesting. Any idea when your book might come out or what it will be called. I definitely would be interested in purchasing it.

It has been sitting on my editor's desk for almost a year. He likes it but his higher-ups have some trepidation about the material. If they won't release it I am going to self-publish and see how that works out. I think there's a built-in market for a book on opiates: opiate users tend to be much more ... enthusiastic ... about their DOC than other users. I've never heard anyone wax rhapsodic about crystal meth or set out to be a tweaker: I've run into plenty of people who thought heroin addiction was romantic. (Yep, nothing sets a mood quite like simultaneously vomiting and shitting your pants 24 hours after your last dose... ).
 
dragons were the first smokers of opium, hence "chasing the dragon" means to follow in their footsteps
 
im pretty sure it means to pursue something you cannot catch. The dragon being the high you get the first few times.

This sounds like a bullshit propaganda. Like you never can't enjoy the high after the first one, but you always want something more. Yeah right. 8)
 
I think there's a built-in market for a book on opiates: opiate users tend to be much more ... enthusiastic ... about their DOC than other users. I've never heard anyone wax rhapsodic about crystal meth or set out to be a tweaker: I've run into plenty of people who thought heroin addiction was romantic. (Yep, nothing sets a mood quite like simultaneously vomiting and shitting your pants 24 hours after your last dose... ).

Hahahaha its so true. When you are on heroin everything seems perfect and happy (its the true love drug) and you dont even care if its going to make you sick. But everyone who really loves heroin loves their heroin like its their baby and they want to tell the world about it and read books about it and be perfect heroin mommys lol
 
Hahahaha its so true. When you are on heroin everything seems perfect and happy (its the true love drug) and you dont even care if its going to make you sick. But everyone who really loves heroin loves their heroin like its their baby and they want to tell the world about it and read books about it and be perfect heroin mommys lol

Luckily, my editor agreed: I just got word that Inner Traditions will be publishing the book. I'll keep everyone here posted on the release dates and such :)
 
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