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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

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I have no acquired tolerance to empathogens, and 90-110 is my sweet spot with MDMA, 150 mg w/m1. Now if only m1's peak weren't just this tiny moment...or if the trailing effects resembled the peak...
 
oh...and i found 100 mg plugged to be identical to 150 mg oral...same time-course too ('cept just 5-10 min. for onset).
 
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30mg Methylone IV:
Comes really fast, everything starts to sound like Coke IV, but not as pronounced, more like the schange in sound when in the peak of MDMA, eyes go crazy to the point you can´t see straight, just blurs, excelent body rush, too much and you´ll puke. The body turns into silk.
Best of all, you can redose.
/fiending mode on.
 
It would be an interesting thing to study tho because according to this "serotonin theory" of how E works the E makes the serotonin "squirt out" which is why you get the mood crash a few days later. But methylone has a similar feel to it and yet you don't get the mood crash 3 days later.

So either the theory of how E causes the mood crash is bullshit or methylone works in a completely different way.

Methylone Works as a re-uptake inhibitor for serotonin and dopamine. Though It still "squirts" out serotonin its not nearly like the action of MDMA
 
Some people get crashes the day(s) after with methylone, but it's not nearly as bad. I think the serotonin depletion theory is probably not accurate (or perhaps just not complete). Not every serotonin releaser causes crashes like MDMA, either - MDAI causes brainzaps after very heavy use, but not an MDMAlike crash, and methylone and butylone don't have the same level of crash either.
MDMA being neurotoxic is well documented - Couldn't it be short-term injury through the same mechanism as the neurotoxicity?

Both MDMA and Methylone are releasers of DA/NE/5HT.
Methylone's actions on serotonin in general are weaker (~1/3 reuptake inhibition, 1/4 release vs mdma)
 
As I mentioned in a previous post, about a month ago my wife and I tried a sub-100-mg dose of methylone for the first time and didn't get much out of it. We tried again last night (valentine's night!) with 160mg each. Since neither of us had tried MDMA (or any other like chemicals) I had hoped that we'd be particularly sensitive to the effects (but perhaps that's not how it works..).

We dosed at 5PM. By T+1/1:30 we were each feeling energetic and good (and a little lightheaded in a pleasant way), but it was all somewhat subtle and indefinable. Since I know methylone is notorious for its short peak, we decided to vape some pot to hopefully kick things up a notch while we had the chance. What followed was nearly SIX hours of uninterrupted fast and intense talking about ourselves, working on our (serious/heavy) relationship issues, and connecting it all with life, the universe, and everything. Ideas, thoughts, and insights were coming at a mile a minute and we both feel like we only scratched the surface of everything we wanted to say to each other. Mostly it was psychedelic in the way that pot has always felt psychedelic to both of us, except for two things: 1) It was much faster/more intense and didn't get bogged down by the sometimes sedating effects of pot and 2) Especially at the initial stage (the methylone peak) I felt able to talk about things that might otherwise have been too hard for me (or would have provoked anxiety or anger or other strong emotions that can hinder my ability to say what I need to say); indeed I felt capable of saying pretty much anything without worrying about hurting myself or my wife.

Maybe I'm getting too personal here, but my wife and have been having some serious issues since we got married about a year ago. These are NOT little things, and recently they've been feeling insurmountable much of the time. Last night's experience was amazingly healing for both of us. We're not under any illusions that we have "solved" our problems, but it was an incredible start and it feels like I have hope and can see a way to move forward, whereas before I was getting lost in despair.

Those are the positives. The biggest negative is the fact that we could hardly sleep after it (even though we dosed at 5PM and went to bed at 1:30AM after a physically intense (and awesome) sexcapade. She took an ativan and I took 2 benadryls, but both of us had only minimal sleep. I'm not going to dose this stuff again if I have to work the next day (I feel fine/sharp working today, which suggests to me that the methylone is *still* keeping me stimulated and alert, because I have a headache and feel like I should be tired otherwise). More minor negatives include a bit of muscle weirdness (tension leading to cramps if not careful, although it really wasn't that bad) and the worst cotton-mouth I've ever experienced despite staying hydrated (kept waking up at night with my throat stuck to itself).

It was an amazing night, but I *still* feel like we didn't get to experience anything more than a hint of the magic that people talk about feeling in conjunction with empathogens. I was aware that it lifted my mood and made it easier to discuss certain issues, but this was only because I was trying to "feel out" the chemical to get a sense of its character. Had I just smoked a lot of pot and drank a large amount of caffeine, I could have felt similarly under the right conditions. Should I try to push the dosage higher next time? In any case, I recently acquired some MDAI and I think we'll make our next attempt with that one (after a month or more of recovery).
 
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That's almost identical to my experience with it. The nice thing is that the residual energy after the comedown is useful for journaling about/helping integrate the experience. I am suprised to hear that you feel you would have been able to discuss such difficult issues so clearly and objectively with just cannabis and caffeine.

For me caffeine yields a fair amount of anxiety and restlessness. M1 yields a rapid, objective, analytical, unemotional thought process centered on correcting interpersonal/personal issues/flaws. Somehow M1 removes the defense mechanism that prevents easily accessing/addressing these issues in a baseline mindstate. I find this is very helpful for healing. However, M1 does not go the extra step that MDMA does; removing the defense mechanism and replacing it with comfort.
 
Very interesting prodigal (did I get that right?!). Two comments:

That's almost identical to my experience with it. The nice thing is that the residual energy after the comedown is useful for journaling about/helping integrate the experience. I am suprised to hear that you feel you would have been able to discuss such difficult issues so clearly and objectively with just cannabis and caffeine.

Well, first of all you should know that my wife is a psychologist and I guess I'm an amateur psychologist (had an intuitive interest all my life since early childhood); I think we get off on trying to understand ourselves and the human condition overall (or at least I do). Anyway, maybe I'm not being kind enough to the methylone: We have had conversations of similar quality/intensity with just pot, but they have been relatively rare (we had to be in the right space mentally to begin with I would assume). If the methylone can lower the defense mechanisms (as you say below) reliably, then yea it's something special. :)

For me caffeine yields a fair amount of anxiety and restlessness. M1 yields a rapid, objective, analytical, unemotional thought process centered on correcting interpersonal/personal issues/flaws. Somehow M1 removes the defense mechanism that prevents easily accessing/addressing these issues in a baseline mindstate. I find this is very helpful for healing. However, M1 does not go the extra step that MDMA does; removing the defense mechanism and replacing it with comfort.

I certainly didn't think of it as "removing defense mechanisms" but now I can see that! The funny part is that a lot of our discussion last night was about our own defense mechanisms and I couldn't even make the connection! :P And in terms of not going the extra step of MDMA: Well, since I haven't tried MDMA I can't know for sure, but I guess this is what I was talking about when I felt I didn't get the "magic" part. I basically felt like myself but...more, and without the intellectually counter-productive emotional reflexes impeding my thoughts. That's awesome and useful, but not wholly recreational in the sense that I usually understand it.
 
Although I have found M1 useful I don't believe I have ever found it recreational either. Additionally, it seems that when people try to use it to solicit a recreational experience they push it into dosage ranges where the negative, lingering side effects outweigh the immediate benefits.
 
Although I have found M1 useful I don't believe I have ever found it recreational either. Additionally, it seems that when people try to use it to solicit a recreational experience they push it into dosage ranges where the negative, lingering side effects outweigh the immediate benefits.

That's exactly why I'm hesitant to up the dose any higher: The intensity and duration of the physical effects (stimulation..) make me feel that going much higher would not be good for my body. Thanks for the feedback.
 
On its own M1 can be useful, and even recreational for me, but that comedown is hellish. I know it is not good harm reduction, but M1 and mephedrone are a bombastic combo that get you on a level just below MDMA but the combo has given some of my mates some bad comedowns as well.
 
I'm amazed at the variety of different opinions about methylone. It's one of my all-time favourite drugs. I find it every bit as good as MDMA - deeply empathogenic and incredibly euphoric, just in a more relaxed, introspective, less in-your-face kind of way than MDMA. In fact I might even go so far as to say that I prefer it to MDMA since the comedowns are consistently easier and it seems gentler on the body and mind.

Yet the posters above me, and plenty of other people, say they haven't found any recreational value in it at all. I wonder what it is that causes such idiosyncratic responses. After all, it's been my experience that literally everyone who tries MDMA loves it. Methylone however seems to polarise people's opinions completely. Weird, huh?
 
Yeah weird, those ketones are are bunch of freaks anyway.

I find methylone to be a total winner as well on most fronts, however after some time of using it
the load on heart, veins and internal organs is more apparent and doesn't feel too healthy... Sneaky stuff.. and probably the first stimulant I ever found pretty addictive. In general they don't have such a pull on me.
 
That's exactly why I'm hesitant to up the dose any higher: The intensity and duration of the physical effects (stimulation..) make me feel that going much higher would not be good for my body. Thanks for the feedback.

Not to be a bad influence:) I think you're about 25mg under where you need to be to get peak em-pathogenic affects. I doubt the side effects would increase much.

I didn't get much off 150, but 185 was much nicer.
 
Not to be a bad influence:) I think you're about 25mg under where you need to be to get peak em-pathogenic affects. I doubt the side effects would increase much.

I didn't get much off 150, but 185 was much nicer.

Aw man, you're seriously twisting my arm, but ok I'll give it another shot at 185. =D

However, my paranoia is sufficient that I don't want to be taking these drugs more than once a month (if that), and I think I'm going to want to try MDAI before my next methylone experiment. We shall see!
 
Yeah weird, those ketones are are bunch of freaks anyway.

I find methylone to be a total winner as well on most fronts, however after some time of using it
the load on heart, veins and internal organs is more apparent and doesn't feel too healthy... Sneaky stuff.. and probably the first stimulant I ever found pretty addictive. In general they don't have such a pull on me.

How often were you doing methylone before these sneaky health concerns became apparent? Do you think methylone is more toxic than MDMA? I'm still contemplating trying methylone, but I think I might take the plunge.

How much less potent is methylone compared to MDMA?

I have a bit of an ecstasy tolerance and usually do 200 mg of good quality MDMA crystal so i was thinking of trying 175 mg of methylone at first to be safe and maybe try pushing it up to 230 mg of methylone.

Anyone have an opinion on 175 mg as a starting dose for someone with MDMA tolerance?

I also might let curiosity get the best of me and try mephedrone. What is the best ratio when combining methylone and mepehdrone? What have you guys found to be successful doses of each when combining methylone and mephedrone?

Thanks bluelight!
 
I have a metabolism question. It isn't very technical at all, so anyone experienced with Methylone, please give it a chance.

I had a batch of Methylone recently, which I am very experienced with, that blew me away. I've only had one other batch as potent, maybe two. 200mgs was heavy when it came on, and it came on fast. I like that with bk-MDMA.

I'm sure this may have been talked about before, but I have had many inconsistencies with different batches. It isn't like all of them had lost potency but more a complete difference in onset. The Methylone that I like comes on in a quick, intoxicating rush not much longer than 30 minutes.

Some batches I have had have definitely lost potency, but some seem to metabolize differently. I have waited almost 2 hours for a peak effect before in which the onset was quite a tease. I always have an empty stomach from the day before I take it, so I know that isn't a problem. Any ideas?
 
Anyone combined methylone with 4-fa?

...I'm going to be using methylone today for the first time in two months. I'm excited :D
 
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