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The Mephedrone Thread (4-mmc)

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Howdy all.

Can anybody confirm the legalities of this in Australia? I've seen conflicting posts around some saying it is an analog thus illegal, others saying that they have purchased online [as plant food] and not had an issue.

If I were to take my chances & make an online purchase, is not having the package turn up the worst than can happen, or might I have swot / dea waiting at the post office when I pick it up?
 
The situation is very different to what was happening when this drug was first talked about on this board. It is now a very hot topic in the media.

It's also widely known that 4-MMC is being sold as plant food. Authorities including Aus customs are seizing anything identified as this compound, and as some local charges have reportedly been laid, I'd think long and hard before deciding it's worth importing.
 
phase_dancer said:
It's also widely known that 4-MMC is being sold as plant food. Authorities including Aus customs are seizing anything identified as this compound, and as some local charges have reportedly been laid, I'd think long and hard before deciding it's worth importing.
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I have heard of a case where someone had 2kg of mephedrone seized and had to appear in court. They tried to charge them with possession of methcathinone which is illegal however they got off as even though it is a possible precursor (I think?) there are multiple methods of manufacturing mephedrone one of which is quasi legal.

So yes worst case you will have your parcel seized, you might have your house raided and you might even have to fight it in court. As far as I know no one has successfully been prosecuted so far though.

Either way I would be very very cautious and definitely think hard before considering importing a substance like this. It is only a matter of time before someone is jailed.

I imagine if you are importing small personal quantities such as <5grams you are likely to just have your parcel seized and possibly put on a watch list at worst case. I would imagine the federal police are after the big fish that are importing large quantities and distributing it on the street and not so much the users.
 
Importing a few grams of meph isn't worth getting your name on a government watch list if you are a big drug user though, have heard of non-dealers getting raided. I guess bad intel + nothing else for the police to do.

This site is all about its better to be safe than sorry.

You might have to pay more but its a lot safer to go see your friendly neighborhood dealer, highly unlikely he's gonna seize your packages or put you on watch list.
We all know the risks involved with street dealing however.
 
_rolls said:
I imagine if you are importing small personal quantities such as <5grams you are likely to just have your parcel seized and possibly put on a watch list at worst case. I would imagine the federal police are after the big fish that are importing large quantities and distributing it on the street and not so much the users.
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I imagine also if people start to get charged and sentenced over Mephedrone and they want to make a big deal about it, they might pick a few unlucky people to make examples of. I think Meph is going to be the new meth scare campaign.
 
I have heard of a case where someone had 2kg of mephedrone seized and had to appear in court. They tried to charge them with possession of methcathinone which is illegal however they got off as even though it is a possible precursor (I think?) there are multiple methods of manufacturing mephedrone one of which is quasi legal.
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I believe I may have heard about this or at least a similar case, although if it is the same, I'm not sure the outcome was as you've depicted. If it was in SA, didn't the guy take off on bail? Anyway, 4-MMC isn't made from methcathinone, but it is a "derivative", no doubt about that. You see, the definition in chemistry is somewhat different to it's everyday meaning.

In regards to synth. Mephedrone is never made from methcathinone. As I've said before, it would be like going around the country to get from Sydney to Newcastle - you'd have to "undo" much of the molecule, and/or use expensive protection groups, which require the extremely dangerous HF to remove. HF - which eats through glass - is never used outside the correct environment as a few mls spilt on the skin kills - even if it's quickly washed off, and very slowly and painfully at that. A bit of trivia...the fluoride in toothpaste and water treatment is produced as a waste product from the HF used in industry.

4-MMC is normally synthesised from 4-methylpropiophenone. The chemistry is pretty simple, and apart from requiring low temps, there's nothing special about it. It's 2nd year organic at best.
 
phase_dancer said:
4-MMC is normally synthesised from 4-methylpropiophenone. The chemistry is pretty simple, and apart from requiring low temps, there's nothing special about it. It's 2nd year organic at best.
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Thanks for the correction!
 
Hydrofluoric Acid... hehehe... Breaking Bad Anyone?
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That part of the story was absolute BS. No school would ever have HF, and no-one would handle it like Jesse did without being dead within minutes :\
 
MrIbis said:
^Yeah the whole thing is BS, but it's good entertainment - you take everything too literally..
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The whole thing is completely unrealistic, doesn't stop it being one of my favourite shows though!
 
I remember seeing 5% HF sold otc a few years back, about 90% sure because I remember thinking "whoa thats pretty much a chemical weapon"

Il have another check some time maybe next week.
 
drug_FUCKED said:
Hydrofluoric acid man that shit scares me. Really sold OTC to anyone.
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Just in case people don't realise the reason hydrofluoric acid is so dangerous is not because it is an acid, it is because of the fluoride ion. Hydrofluoric acid is actually considered a weak acid and compared with an equal strength solution of hydrochloric acid is much weaker.

The fluoride ion however is what causes the damage, fluorine is one of the most reactive elements out there and will react with almost anything which is why it is so corrosive.

One of the main reasons that it fluorine will kill you is the strong reaction it has with calcium (found all through your body), it reacts with it to cause an insoluble compound, calcium fluoride which can cause cardiac arrest (much like any other solid in your blood stream).
 
Any one else get a really fucked stomach from this stuff? I get shocking gas, and shit water for hours afterwards (haha too much info)!

nasty stuff. Very fiendish, and I feel my breathing and chest feel tight for days afterwards. I'm swearing off it.
 
Just in case people don't realise the reason hydrofluoric acid is so dangerous is not because it is an acid, it is because of the fluoride ion. Hydrofluoric acid is actually considered a weak acid and compared with an equal strength solution of hydrochloric acid is much weaker.

The fluoride ion however is what causes the damage, fluorine is one of the most reactive elements out there and will react with almost anything which is why it is so corrosive.

One of the main reasons that it fluorine will kill you is the strong reaction it has with calcium (found all through your body), it reacts with it to cause an insoluble compound, calcium fluoride which can cause cardiac arrest (much like any other solid in your blood stream).
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Good, informative post rolls
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