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Extremly bad trip vs rape? Which is more traumatic.

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Choronzon333

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As anyone who has had a terrible trip knows it can be truly hellish and terrifying. Seemingly nothing else compares and it can cause very traumatic flashbacks and maybe ptsd...

Rape is also a terribly traumatic experience for women or the fewer men who experience it. I was wondering if anyone who has unfortunately experienced both could weigh in on how they compare experentially and in lasting effects.

This is a serious discussion. Please nothing insensitive, especially no rape jokes!!!!
 
A bad trip is certainly a different and more preferable experience.

ok. I mean like extremely terrible mental rape kinda trip. I am also referrring to the psychological aspect, not the physical damage and dangers that acompany rape. Even so I could definatley see why. I was just curios as many people who have suffered from such trips exhibit tendencies associated with post traumatic stress disorder similar to rape victims or shell shocked vets.
 
These two things are pretty incomparable. Ones an act of physical violence of a sexual nature while one is a state you caused yourself. Both can scar you mentally but a bad trip would be like a spec of dirt on your mind compared to the problems a rape can cause. I've seen multiple people have the worst trips you can possibly imagine and they all came out of it fine and the only things they felt were being completely humbled. I've had trips where I felt like I was in hell experiencing the most irritating feelings imaginable and at the time it was horrible but it will end. A rape can carry years of problems(court, counseling, etc.) and fears of being attacked again. So in my mind I would rather relive the most insane state i've ever felt(25 mgs 5 meo dmt snorted, then 5 mgs smoked) rather than having to go through something like being raped.
 
Even the worst trip experience is unlikely to be traumatic in and of itself unless it triggers some latent condition or bring up some previously repressed trauma (e.g., if you were abused as a child, repressed the memories, then had them resurface during a bad trip). No matter how horrible the experience itself is, within days or weeks when you have had time to think back on the experience, you will understand that the negative experience was the result of being under the influence of psychedelic drugs. A memory of being raped is quite different; it's a memory of a violent sexual attack by another conscious being. It's not just the emotional and physical suffering of a negative event that makes it traumatic, but the way we make sense of that event, the way it relates to our sense of self, our cultural and social mores and values, etc. Most traumatic experiences involve the death of a loved one or an act of violence carried out consciously.

Ultimately, attempting to quantify things like this in abstract terms is probably doomed to fail. Trauma is a condition experienced by a conscious mind, not a property of events or things. The context a negative event occurs in is more important than the physical nature of the event itself. Since rape necessarily involves a violent, disturbing context whereas bad trips do not, it seems reasonable to generalise that rape is more traumatic in general.

On a personal level, I would absolutely pick a high dose of psychedelics with the knowledge that I would have a terrifying bad trip over being raped, and I imagine most others would as well. That may not exactly be fair since much of the terror of a bad trip is that you don't see it coming, but the same could certainly be said of rape. This thought experiment is becoming morbidly ridiculous, so I'll end it here.
 
I can't imagine anyone would say a bad trip is even comparable to rape and be serious, much less the unfortunate souls who have experienced both (or even just rape).

I think the fact that during a rape it is someone else dominating and making the victim feel helpless makes it SO much worse. Really the only thing i think that would be comparable to rape is being tortured. Having either of those things happen to me is something id really rather not think about.
 
Obviously nobody here has had an actual bad trip. They're quite traumatic.
 
Uh wow...

You look back on bad trip and you're like "wow I'm glad that stopped. That sucked."
Don't think rape really has that totally??
 
A bad trip changes your personality, your outlook on life, perhaps introduces a lot of delusions and psychosis. I ended up in jail shortly after my first bad trip, after alienating everyone around me with psychotic paranoia.

Imagine an intense spiritual experience, on par with what the world's renowned prophets like Moses and Jesus have experienced, except negative/evil/pessimist in nature. With no ground to fall back on to make you realize it was just a bad trip, and not reality.
 
Id personally think that a bad trip would be far worse. Thats what i would say as a guy, a bad trip in the past was a horrible experience for me.
 
I havent read this thred yet, im just about to but before I do I thought id share my thoughts first.

I think rape would be way, way wore than a bad trip, firstly you could get HIV or any number of diseases, plus it messes you up for life, possibly forever, you didnt ask that guy(or girl, im not going to be naive) to rape you but you did put those drugs in your body and thats your fault and noone elses. Rape is in a completely different league and shouldnt really be comparable but a bad trip can mess someones head up really badly but they put the drugs in their body and more often than not its a lot, lot easier to work though a bad trip than it is rape.

Ive never been raped, I have however had a bad trip or 2(and ive tripped on at least 10-15 if not more psychs, many, many times so im no noob) and I can say id rather a bad trip 20x worse than what I experienced(which was no walk in the park) than ever getting raped.
 
K, well as I said ive never been raped so I can really comment and please, if you have experinced both and you need to, then prove me wrong coz I dont want to seem like I know what it'd be like, thats pretty fucked up and arrogant.

I just feel that worse things can come out of being raped than what can come out of a bad trip.
 
I'd rather have a terrible trip ( only trippy stuff I have done is DXM ) I can't quite understand what its like to be really tripping not having done acid or shrooms.

both happened to my friend:

she was with this guy she had known for about a month. He made a pizza and put mushrooms on it (the trippy ones) without telling her. She ate it and he raped her while she was tripping out (she didn't know what shrooms were back then). She became an alcoholic for 4 or 5 years after but is now recovering.
 
Hm, I think there is a world of difference between a bad trip, and a psychotic break while on a psychedelic. I mean, anyone could have a psychotic episode at any point, and that would already be traumatic enough. But while on a psychedelic it could literally break your entire being...I think that could in a way be more traumatic.

A bad trip like analyzing too many things, crying about where you are in life, or just in general scary hallucinations are not going to be anywhere near that, which is what I see as a "bad trip".

Rape is incredibly traumatic don't get me wrong, my most important relationship in this world was with a girl who had a terrible experience with men, and I can see how much a violent sex-crime can affect someone for years. I could see a sober person's psychotic meltdown to be about as traumatic though, the moments seeing yourself go insane and such.

Add any sort of psychotropic and it is a whole new level of scary, and that will probably never leave your mind.
 
Hm, I think there is a world of difference between a bad trip, and a psychotic break while on a psychedelic. I mean, anyone could have a psychotic episode at any point, and that would already be traumatic enough. But while on a psychedelic it could literally break your entire being...I think that could in a way be more traumatic.

A bad trip like analyzing too many things, crying about where you are in life, or just in general scary hallucinations are not going to be anywhere near that, which is what I see as a "bad trip".

That's not a bad trip, that's part of EVERY trip usually. Heh.
 
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