Mephedrone Megathread VII: Misunderstood Marvels & Malingering Metabolites

[naatural]

Thanks for the advice mate. Yeah was gonna have a wee bomber before hand to test the water.

on a side-note, 4-fmp is VERY fun in my opinion, although very hard to sleep well afterwards (you don't feel particularly bad, you just feel a bit too awake for longer than desired). for me it seemed just like taking pills with both md and speed in them. Shame it's not legal in the uk

 

[FlippingTop]

Right lads need abit of advice here. Going to watch Digweed in a few weeks and not taking anything is not an option. Its looking like Meph will have to do as theres not a fucking hope in hell I'm doing pipz ever again. Any first time tips apart from don't do it? I'm thinking 3 200mg bombers to see me through the nite?

I used to have a pretty high tolerance to MD back in the day but that way a few years ago now. I go out once in a blue moon these days and don't think I'll be doing it again any time soon. I'm pretty sure I've done worse over the years with scary doses of MD and speed. I'm used to be not too bothered about what I took but with this thread getting worst by the day and me not getting any younger I'm abit para

4fmp is also an option but I'm having trouble getting any real info regarding this being suitable for a clubbing session.

Stay away from Mephedrone and stick to Methylone. It is a much safer, and nearly as good, alternative

 

[FutureFlash]

why anyone even wants to use this dangerous rc. I experienced chest pains, arrhythmias , ears *tinnitys* *PIIIPING* and knees became violet. okey, and i used only 0,5 gm!! this is really a toxic drug. All have suffered from these same side effects.And yet so many people just continue to use this substance... cmooon. !

Just because you reacted in that why doesn't mean everyone will. I had a mate who was ten times as bad as me, on about 2-3g a day (his birthday was 7g) (ignoring other drugs), he once insufflsted .5 at my house and didn't get high..he has had less side effects than it would seem most of you do! Very weird. But hey he might drop dead in 10 years.

He has been cold turkey for 2 weeks.

Edit: this was for just under 2 months

 

[wibble]

Stay away from Mephedrone and stick to Methylone. It is a much safer, and nearly as good, alternative

Sorry but i really wouldnt say that m1 is nearly as good as mephedrone as an alternative, and I don't even like the stuff. They have very different effects to my mind, mephdrone feels much stronger.

 

[tekkeN]

everyone seems to have different feelings on both substances.. I personally can't stand 4mmc as it soon leaves me feeling really unhappy, but m1 I felt great almost like I was on E and the comedown was gradual and not that bad at all.. to each their own although I guess m1 is safer?

 

[superhed]

Stay away from Mephedrone and stick to Methylone. It is a much safer, and nearly as good, alternative

As much as I have enjoyed Methylone in chilled stay at home scenarios I personally don't think it has the energy and pushyness of Mephedrone which many seek for a proper night out. No-ones saying that Meph hasn't got issues and side effects or that Methy doesn't appear to be safer and have virtues but I wouldn't go out dancing on Methylone by itself...

 

[Scire]

The consensus is the M1 is safer, but AFAIK that's based on extrapolation rather than actual scientific study and all the hooplah that goes along with that. While user reports also suggest mephedrone has more complications this could be because its more compulsive to (ab)use combined with metabolite accumulation (which AFAIK, has a longer half-life than the subjective effects). It's also possible that while M1 feels more benign it is actually doing more damage but that's not even conjecture, merely a possibility.

M1 didn't exactly make me feel good, seemed to affect my heart rate as much as mephedrone and I did notice cold extremities (not cold, but less warm than normal) but not the the extent with mephedrone. I never lost feeling but my hands do get very cold and my feet have swollen. I also had an ache in pad of my right foot for a few days, I speculate that this was due to inadequate oxygen supply -> cells respire anaerobically -> produce lactic acid, causes mild pain in foot for a few days. I don't know if that is actually what caused it but it makes sense based on the knowledge that I posses.

 

[monkyfunky]

OK well I finally made it back to the gym today after almost a month off

Heart seemed to be the same and nothing concerning happened so I'm reasonably reassured that I haven't done anything tooterrible to it. This might be an incredibly naive self-diagnosis though...

 

[Shambles]

Alternatively, the conviction that you have done some terrible damage could be an incredibly naive self-diagnosis

 

[The RZA]

OK well I finally made it back to the gym today after almost a month off

Heart seemed to be the same and nothing concerning happened so I'm reasonably reassured that I haven't done anything tooterrible to it. This might be an incredibly naive self-diagnosis though...

Heh heh, even when some people clearly are/feel fine it seems they're still slightly convinced 4-MMC has fucked them up.

 

[monkyfunky]

Total disaster could be just around the corner!!

 

[Scire]

Total disaster could be just around the corner!!

The more you worry about that, the more likely it becomes.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

EDIT: Just to make it clear; I know you weren't being serious

 

[OrdeM]

OK well I finally made it back to the gym today after almost a month off

Heart seemed to be the same and nothing concerning happened so I'm reasonably reassured that I haven't done anything tooterrible to it. This might be an incredibly naive self-diagnosis though...

I believe there are risks with every drug. I have always used the motto, everything in moderation.

Like yourself I have started back at training (MMA), I have to admit I overdid meph over the xmas / new year period and was slightly concerned about health and fitness back at gym. Have been back at training for over a week and feel excellent cardio wise.
I know this is sad but I have BP and heart monitor that I regulary check...and everything is as before I started Meph. I know this isn't very scientific, but its a start and the minute I see changes or feel my fitness decrease its stopped for good.

Another little point I have picked up on, would we not have heard of is the Israel experience? Think they have been using it since 2005 (I know it is banned there now)...so surely short to medium term problems would have shown up there by now?

Having said all that...the heart valve shit still has me concerned......

 

[fastandbulbous]

I believe there are risks with every drug. I have always used the motto, everything in moderation.

I've often quoted that motto then gone on do take druggery to hideous excess, so that only goes so far in reasonable behaviour. That's another reason why I shouldn't have it (other than the well dodgy metabolite), when it comes to stimulants (or at least amphetamine based ones), I have little self control and it looks like this stuff is up with MDPV in the fiending stakes. One problem RC is enough for anyone to deal with

Another little point I have picked up on, would we not have heard of is the Israel experience? Think they have been using it since 2005 (I know it is banned there now)...so surely short to medium term problems would have shown up there by now?

The connection might not have been made yet between condition X and prev 4-MMC use. Trends like that only show up after several years if the side effect isn't fatal. Things like dying early from cardiac complications start ringing alarm bells, but most everything less gets missed until years afterwards (something like that fenfluramine caused cardiac valve overgrowth wasn't realized until the pulmonary hypertension it causes started dropping people. It was on the market for two decades before the connection was made, and because it's a medicine, they're looking for things like that. People aren't as forthcoming over their rec drug use, which makes it so much more difficult)

 

[monkyfunky]

^ is the concern at the moment that 4-MMC could be causing cardiac valve overgrowth to the same degree as Fenfluramine?

 

[Scire]

Any stimulants used over a long period of time will cause the heart to enlarge. With 4-mmc this is compounded by the fact it is such a potent vasoconstrictor that the heart has to work even harder than it otherwise would.

 

[OrdeM]

Any stimulants used over a long period of time will cause the heart to enlarge. With 4-mmc this is compounded by the fact it is such a potent vasoconstrictor that the heart has to work even harder than it otherwise would.

Yep but so does strenuous aerobic exercise, I train maybe 5 or 6 days a week with a resting pulse in low 50s (I'm in my late thirties)....so Im pretty sure I will have an enlarged heart through excercise. Pretty sure I have read that this will revert to normal when I stop training?

Its defo the Fenfluramine issue that has me slightly freaked! Then again any RC has the issue of Russian Roulette. Risk and reward and all that.
I keep thinking I am old enough and should know better.........but finish work on a Friday and mindset changes!

 

[PredatorVision]

has anyone actually tried to feed plants with mephedrone as of yet?

 

[Don Luigi]

I've given it to some bush. That's about it

 

[VyperPunk]

I recently went over the magic 500mg dose for some reason and received some new side effects. I've never gone over 500mg in a single night as the general consensus is that anything over that = more negative side effects.

Received some of the same side effects that others have reported:

- Heart-about-to-explode-out-of-chest-feeling (most so when trying to relax/sleep)
- Purpley/blue knees and elbows

Circulation was so bad that if I didn't deliberately and frequently squeeze/move my hands I could actually see them turning a slight shade of blue. Feeling and sensitivity were reduced in hands and feet.

Also, the area of my lower neck and upper chest went red as if I'd been to the Sahara without any sun screen.

This may sound weird, but after using mephedrone, I find that it makes the appearance of my face different; but in a good way. Looks as though I've gotten a slight tan. I also get, albeit very mild, acne and mephedrone seems to get rid of it for a few days. Think I read about someone else on a previous mega thread about shedding skin cells fast? Oh, and I'm not condoning the use of mephedrone for acne, just sharing an observation.

I didn't freak out or anything as I knew these symptoms would pass, and after about 24h, they did. Won't be doing over 500mg again.