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Doctors who pretend narcotics don't exist

Totally agree with kyk on these crazy doctors.

They affect my family: My little sister needed a root canal, and psychotic dentist my family goes to only gave her extra strength ibuprofen.

She doesn't even abuse drugs! Yet they left her crying for days because the stupid dentist has some crazy moral ideas or something.
 
this is an interesting topic. im a bit worried myself, because i abused iv dilaudid this year, and my parents found out. then, i got "TMJ" (jaw joint dysfunction- constant clicking when chewing, and constant pain), ironically, as a result of wisdom tooth surgery. im going to the doctor tomorrow, but im worried, because my family willcall him after to "warn" him about my recovery from addiction, but now i genuinely need pain medication. we'll see how it pans out. truly, iwish i lived in the US in cases like this - canada and europe's medical system isn't as advanced. it makes me feel warped because i got it as a result of medical idiocy - now that same idiocy might prevent it getting treated. also, in the US i could sue the surgeon easily - here, probably not, though ill try. any advice is appreciated

my opinion on the topic is that obviously, in the US pharms are hugely overprescribed. in canada, perhaps slightly underprescribed. what i find mildly perverse is that benzos and anti-depressants are often scripted like candy, while opiates are shuned like the devil. essentially, mildly-to-severly addictive SHITTY drugs are freely prescribed because they're USELESS, and the effective, thpigh more addictive drugs, arent, because they get you "higher". very ironic really. who doesnt like painkillers- who likes pain??
 
An Iz said:
Totally agree with kyk on these crazy doctors.

They affect my family: My little sister needed a root canal, and psychotic dentist my family goes to only gave her extra strength ibuprofen.

She doesn't even abuse drugs! Yet they left her crying for days because the stupid dentist has some crazy moral ideas or something.
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I agree that if someone is in pain, they should be given adequate pain relief. However, why would anyone need opiates following a root canal? Done properly and completely, a root canal kills the very source of any pain. I had two done back in the nineties, and the doc told me to take advil, tylenol, whichever OTC med worked best for me if I had any soreness around the site. Then I had another done this past spring. The dentist here prescribed me #6 Lortab 7.5, which I really didn't even need. (Took em anyway, of course.) 8)

I am not saying that your lil sis was faking it, not at all, but I am trying to figure out why she was in such pain following that particular procedure. Maybe she had an incompetent care provider. Maybe he botched it.
 
Lustmord said:
"Yeah, I grew these wisdom teeth just to score."
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Nah thats not how you do it at all... Heres what I did.

I always had wisdom teeth they were asking if I needed removed (for three or four years, which is common) but I never really wanted to....untill I got put on probation.

month one, I was on the phone gettin them wisdom's out, wham bam fuck the five panel man....gave me an extra 2 months to taper and get the opies out of my system.

yea im proud of that one, sue me.
 
If the doc sees that you everyday life is being affected by you pain or anxiety or whatever, they should prescribe the best fit meds. When I told the doc how my anxiety was causing me to run out of class when having panic attacks and therefore my grades were slipping, I got benzos. When my brother couldnt lift boxes at work therefore his performance wasnt as good, he got percs. So if these meds will increase you overall quality of life, you should be prescribed them.
 
I got a prescription for percocet when I wasnt an addict. I gave them to my mom. She is prescribed them for a really bad neck/back injury. She didnt abuse them to get high. Just used them to take away pain.
 
In the Netherlands they wouldn't have given you anything stronger then that. Doctors here will argue that opioids are grossly over prescribed in the states.
 
I sprained my ankle and did some soft tissue damage to my heel quite badly earlier this year, to the point where walking any kind of decent distance was out of the question. I told the doctor it had taken me two days to get to the point where I could make it to his office walking on the bus (I don't have a car), and that I wasn't able to walk across campus to class without collapsing in pain. He poked it for a few minutes and the first thing he said (I hadn't mentioned medication at all, I just wanted him to take a fucking look at it) was "I don't like prescribing painkillers", and when I said I'd been taking double the normal dose of Tylenol all day and it barely helped, he just said to keep doing that and come back if it still hurt two weeks later. Apparently being a college-age male with long hair makes doctors discriminate against you.

Also, is getting a benzo script really as easy as saying I've been getting panic attacks in class? If so, gotta get on that ASAP, I figured they'd ask me a bunch of questions about my mental state I wouldn't have the right answers to. I've thought about trying to get them for my mild visual HPPD, but that doesn't cause me any real anxiety so it's the same issue (I've had visual snow, starburting, auras, seeing green+purple in white light sources, etc since this one acid trip a year ago).
 
I can understand Dr's paranoia, but it's so frustrating to be in legitimate pain and not get the meds you need. I recently fractured my hand, had pain to the point where I couldn't sleep, and was given tramadol. I mean, i like tramadol and all, but it's next to USELESS for pain relief!

Plus, I look very clean cut & am female.. don't think I look like a "drug seeker" and am honestly not trying to exploit him for anything.. just need some relief from the pain.
 
I live in south east US. For a broken arm I got 12 lortab 5/500s. For a broken ankle I got 30 Lortab 7.5s. I got 30 percocet 7.5s when I got my wisdom teeth taken out. I'm not really sure if i got fucked by the doctor or not. I just sell all the pharmies to buy heroin anyway.
 
I've so many conflicting experiences with doctors. Majority are as you described. Coming in for a genuine pain problem/serious injury and getting the "wait it off" or "tylenol" remedy. Then there was that doctor in the hospital who asked me if I was okay after an exam cause I was squinting. Told him it was a headache. He simply said "we'll take care of that. have a good night." Nurse walks in with a syringe full of hydromorphone! Um. Good night indeed!

I've thankfully got a steady doc that I see that is reasonable with his dealings with medication.
 
thats kind of perverted how quickly doctors prescribe opioids to young people in the states...im in constant pain...and i love opiates...but if a nurse came to be with iv dilaudid for a headache id feel pretty weird
 
Post-operation I was recovering, and was given a shot of morphine. It worked for a little while, but the pain was still there. I put up with it over night, and when I had to leave the following day, I was in too much pain to get out of bed. The nurse then says to me "Oh, I will give you another shot of morphine... Have you been in pain? I could have given you a shot every 4 hours" I wish that she hadn't even told me at that point, just got me really pissed off, until the last shot started kicking in
 
What is difficult for me to understand is why addiction is considered by doctors to be a worse affliction than organ failure. NSAIDs are implicated in thousands of deaths every year, from gastrointestinal bleeding and liver failure to stroke and heart attack. Nerve drugs (anticonvulsants) like Neurontin carry a black box warning for suicide. Anticonvulsants also cause rebound seizures and can exacerbate depression. Opioids have been safely used in medicine for thousands of years. Iatrogenic addiction to opioids in chronic pain patients is extremely low, much lower than the mainstream media would lead you to believe. Opioids are indicated for ANY moderate to severe pain. Doctors would prefer to fix whatever is wrong with you first, but if your condition is permanent, intractable and causes severe pain there is no better medication than an opioid.
 
thats a good point. should i be worried about the naproxen ive been prescribed? if i take like 1 gram of it a day? i hope my innards dont implode :S
 
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Naproxen is the active ingredient in Aleve. You defenitely should eat before taking this, or you will feel burning in your stomach, so it can't be "good" for you.
 
I took 4 Aleve once for a bad headache and was in total agony. My stomach felt like it was on fire. :(

My own fault for not reading the label. We actually didn't have Aleve in Canada back then. My friend brought some from the states and just gave me a handful. I thought they were like Advil.
 
Cyc said:
The old school docs just whip out the prescription pad. I need me a friendly old doctor a few years from retirement.
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Yeah, you're not drug seeking. :\

The bottomline is this; your pain is not worth sacrificing 12 years of med school and the hundreds of thousands of dollars it took to pay for it. Let alone that person's career and livelyhood. My partner is pain management doc and he's heard/seen all the scenarios before. What you need to understand is that doctors deal with drug seeking clients daily...so yeah, after a while they become a little gun shy with the script pad. Throw in one or two interactions with the board because one of your patients was slick enough to get opiates and then sell them to high schoolers, and you'd hesitate as well. Not trying to bust your balls, but NONE of the situations you listed warrant pain meds.

Now, here's the way to approach your doctor and get what you need. Note, this is NOT my attempt to teach you to score from your doctor - this is what's necessary to build trust and demonstrate that you aren't just looking to get high. Yes, the minute you ask for pain meds, most doctors will assume you are trying to score drugs...don't take it personally...they are lied to and hustled daily.

Anyway, if you have a valid pain concern let your doctor know what you want up front. Does that mean you should roll up and say "hey doc, lemme get some OCs and fen. pop to go"? No. It means (as another poster pointed out) don't hint around at opiates or beat around the bush. If you're shy about asking the assumption is that you've got something to hide. It's not uncommon in the age of the internet for people to do a little research on their own, so knowing that oxy is used for pain is not a liability, it's considered general knowledge at this point. Understand that your doctor STILL might look at you like the person who's trying to get their license yanked. Like I said, experience breeds paranoia. How do you balance this out? Submit to a urine screen on the spot...or at least offer to. Acknowledge that what you are asking for is commonly abused. You know it, he/she knows it...talk about it. This puts the doctor at ease and lets him know that you understand the gravity of what you're asking for. Most doctors that prescribe opiates are going to ask you give urine and sign a treatment contract anyway, so you might as well be the one to bring it up. Besides, if you aren't drug seeking, you have nothing hide anyway, right?

Getting the appropriate medications from your doctor does not have to be a game of cat and mouse. If you are willing to be honest and straight-forward, you'll have no problems. And be prepared for your doctor to suggest other therapy first. Regardless of what you read on webmd, your doctor is (probably) pretty good at this stuff and (if you've been honest) is only looking out for your best interests.

Note: Yes I know there are doctors that will write you OC scripts till their arm falls off. Those are crooked docs, and not at all what I'm addressing here. My intention is to help those with valid concerns get over the hurdle of discussing opiate tx with their (non-shady) doctor.
 
Hey, thank you for the very informative post. Actually, I just did my urine screening the other day.

I wonder, the only thing in my system would be valium, as I do take it (non-prescribed) as needed. Would that show up, or be tested for by an initial doctor/patient urine test?
 
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