Official Heroin Discussion II

Status
Not open for further replies.
Heroin in San Antonio...

Hi! I am going to be moving from Chicago to San Antonio for school in a few days. I am just wondering if I will be able to find H around there...

I know nothing of the drug culture there and I am not trying to source. I will find it myself when I get down there, but I need to know if it is readily available or if I will have to do some digging for connections. Here in Chicago, you can just drive to a ghetto and cop off of the street. Is it like that in San Antonio?

Thank you in advance!
 
They have Tar(which is shit compared to NYC area dope) & something they call cheese....

Cheese: is a tan powder made mostly from acetaminophen and diphenhydramine HCL-the ingredients in Tylenol P.M.- with a little heroin mixed in. The drugs are crushed together, and typically folded into notebook paper. [edit: prices] It is believed to have started in and around the Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas area. Users feel euphoric,and then sleepy, lethargic, and hungry. It is ingested through the nose by snorting
 
Last edited by a moderator:
texas is a border state so the market should include black tar and mexican brown.

we can't help you find it, so yes, a bit of effort may actually be required when you get to san antonio :|
 
yeah i never been there and dont know the scene but from what was said above and being a border state you gotta get in with the mexicans and they dont always trust people they dont know but im sure they the most organized..my guess is you might be able to get it delivered to your door if trusted enough and provided a certain number or something along those lines..so get in with the mexicans.. my guess is the blacks would be sellin rocks and rolls possibly on the street but not dope...

in chicago its the nigerians that bring it in so thats why the blacks sell it, atleast i think so.. so in texas the mexicans are the ones bringin it in so id assume they are the ones sellin it too..im sure the blacks got it and sell it, dont get me wrong, but id say get in with some mexs and they will get you what you need the best and cheapest..
 
This is so much nicer to read when I'm not sick. Ahhhh....heroin, the fresh maker
 
Lil Dookie:

Wow! That's so funny that you posted after me. I'm in LA now but I grew up in Northwest Ms (southaven, horn lake area) and lived in Memphis for the past few years before I came out here. There is tons of dope in Memphis. Tons! And a lot of it is fucking incredible man. The system is really good there; you'll get ripped off occasionally if you're just asking random people but once you get a good connect they treat you well. Just be careful, it's so readily available that you'll get hooked easily.

What I noticed a lot about memphis is if you get in with a certain crew it's so legit you don't need any other numbers, and then what happens is every 6 months or so there's a huge drought and you won't have any back up numbers so you're fucked.

And you're lucky; since you live in DeSoto County (I'm guessing) you can get rigs anywhere. In Memphis you can't. Just drive around the ghetto, scope out the houses and find the trap. Happy Hunting
 
for you...he did say he only had 1number and then that guy hit a drought and had no one else to call..
 
To people that think powder is clearly superior to black tar...

I started on tar (by tar I mean big hard chunks, not that overcut brown dust with some black chunks) and got up to about 1- 1 1/2 grams a day after 2 years. I would smoke it, and very occasionally would shoot it. After I moved to Chicago, I started getting powder, and noticed it was considerably weaker, no nod unless I did a ton, mostly just euphoria and not getting sick, and that was with slamming it (I have a great white hookup, barely cuts his bags, and also will sell me a raw rock, uncut by him)...

I realized this was against conventional wisdom, since I always read powder was more pure, but I've recently (about a year ago) read that black tar is approaching the purity of street powder (I wish I could find the source). I tried to make sense of it, since even if they are the same purity I should at least feel them the same, and after I read a few articles on wikipedia, I think I've found out why I was feeling tar much more than white.

**From 'black tar heroin' on wikipedia-

-It should also be noted that the percent of the remainder of black tar heroin is often other psychoactive opiate substances, like 6-MAM & 3-MAM *in addition to* the usual adulterants and dilutents found in other forms of illicit heroin.

**From 'heroin' on wikipedia-

- In particular, users report an intense rush that occurs while the diacetylmorphine (heroin) is being metabolized into 6-monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM) and morphine in the brain. Diacetylmorphine produces more euphoria than other opioids upon injection. One possible explanation is the presence of 6-monoacetylmorphine, a metabolite unique to diacetylmorphine. While other opioids of recreational use, such as codeine, produce only morphine, heroin also leaves 6-MAM, also a psycho-active metabolite.
_______________________________________________________________________________

(numbers below are not accurate, just a representation for example's sake)

The way I read this, is lets say that your black tar is 60% pure heroin. Aside from the cut, there is a large percentage of the remaining tar that is also 6-MAM due to the process of making black tar. 6-MAM causes an intense rush, and since it is in natively in black tar and not powder (all heroin metabolizes to morphine and 6-MAM, but 6-MAM is a byproduct of the process used to make black tar, so in your typical tar you not only have just pure heroin, but also 6-MAM), that could be a reason why I percieved tar to be stronger than white.

I guess an easier way to explain it would be this: I get a gram of tar and a gram of white. They are both 60% pure heroin, but since the tar also has 6-MAM in it, I would feel it more. So not only would the tar be something like 80% opiates, the extra percentage is 6-MAM, which causes a rush (and researchers find 6-MAM is possibly what makes heroin more euphoric than other opiates), while the white would only be 60%.

I find it plausible that tar is stronger than white because: a) tar is approaching or has approached the strength of white; b) it is much harder to cut (dilute) a nice chunk of tar than it is white, so while tar can be bought at almost the same strength it was processed at, powder gets cut more down the line (anyone can add a dormin or whatever cut to white, while tar is just harder to cut); and c) 6-MAM, a psychoactive compound, makes up a percentage of tar, in addition to heroin; as opposed to just heroin in white.

So speaking from experience, if you have a good tar supplier, you shouldn't worry that you are missing out on anything by not getting white. I get much more of a nod from smoking tar than I do slamming white, which might not sound right, but through my experience is true. Even when I get a rock of uncut white, it still doesn't make me even close to as high as I do off tar.

I totally thought I'd be getting more off white powder, but after a year, I am somewhat disappointed in it. I still love it and do it, heh... I just really miss my tar at this point. So people that only get tar, you are really not missing anything except the ability to snort it easily, and the fact that your veins won't get hard from shooting white. In fact, through experience, tar gives more of a high, and I definitely prefer it!
 
Last edited:
Subflict said:
To people that think powder is clearly superior to black tar...

I started on tar (by tar I mean big hard chunks, not that overcut brown dust with some black chunks) and got up to about 1- 1 1/2 grams a day after 2 years. I would smoke it, and very occasionally would shoot it. After I moved to Chicago, I started getting powder, and noticed it was considerably weaker, no nod unless I did a ton, mostly just euphoria and not getting sick, and that was with slamming it (I have a great white hookup, barely cuts his bags, and also will sell me a raw rock, uncut by him)...

I realized this was against conventional wisdom, since I always read powder was more pure, but I've recently (about a year ago) read that black tar is approaching the purity of street powder (I wish I could find the source). I tried to make sense of it, since even if they are the same purity I should at least feel them the same, and after I read a few articles on wikipedia, I think I've found out why I was feeling tar much more than white.

**From 'black tar heroin' on wikipedia-

-It should also be noted that the percent of the remainder of black tar heroin is often other psychoactive opiate substances, like 6-MAM & 3-MAM *in addition to* the usual adulterants and dilutents found in other forms of illicit heroin.

**From 'heroin' on wikipedia-

- In particular, users report an intense rush that occurs while the diacetylmorphine (heroin) is being metabolized into 6-monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM) and morphine in the brain. Diacetylmorphine produces more euphoria than other opioids upon injection. One possible explanation is the presence of 6-monoacetylmorphine, a metabolite unique to diacetylmorphine. While other opioids of recreational use, such as codeine, produce only morphine, heroin also leaves 6-MAM, also a psycho-active metabolite.
_______________________________________________________________________________

(numbers below are not accurate, just a representation for example's sake)

The way I read this, is lets say that your black tar is 60% pure heroin. Aside from the cut, there is a large percentage of the remaining tar that is also 6-MAM due to the process of making black tar. 6-MAM causes an intense rush, and since it is in natively in black tar and not powder (all heroin metabolizes to morphine and 6-MAM, but 6-MAM is a byproduct of the process used to make black tar, so in your typical tar you not only have just pure heroin, but also 6-MAM), that could be a reason why I percieved tar to be stronger than white.

I guess an easier way to explain it would be this: I get a gram of tar and a gram of white. They are both 60% pure heroin, but since the tar also has 6-MAM in it, I would feel it more. So not only would the tar be something like 80% opiates, the extra percentage is 6-MAM, which causes a rush (and researchers find 6-MAM is possibly what makes heroin more euphoric than other opiates), while the white would only be 60%.

I find it plausible that tar is stronger than white because: a) tar is approaching or has approached the strength of white; b) it is much harder to cut (dilute) a nice chunk of tar than it is white, so while tar can be bought at almost the same strength it was processed at, powder gets cut more down the line (anyone can add a dormin or whatever cut to white, while tar is just harder to cut); and c) 6-MAM, a psychoactive compound, makes up a percentage of tar, in addition to heroin; as opposed to just heroin in white.

So speaking from experience, if you have a good tar supplier, you shouldn't worry that you are missing out on anything by not getting white. I get much more of a nod from smoking tar than I do slamming white, which might not sound right, but through my experience is true. Even when I get a rock of uncut white, it still doesn't make me even close to as high as I do off tar.

I totally thought I'd be getting more off white powder, but after a year, I am somewhat disappointed in it. I still love it and do it, heh... I just really miss my tar at this point. So people that only get tar, you are really not missing anything except the ability to snort it easily, and the fact that your veins won't get hard from shooting white. In fact, through experience, tar gives more of a high, and I definitely prefer it!
Click to expand...


First of all you ain't getting tar that's 60%, believe me and everyone else on this board. Good powdered dope at 60% isn't bad, but getting into the 70%-80% range it doesn't compare in purity. Although this really depends on what part of the country you are getting it. A gram of tar in San Francisco or Seattle is not going to be a potent as the tar in Pheonix, Texas and the border states. Tar isn't hard to cut either my man. The Mexicans are cheap and basically throw the cultivated opium into the pots and acetylate it or whatever and BOOM you have your Black Tar Heroin. They don't refine it any further. They make more money and you West Coasters buy it up. Not saying you can't get HIGH purity Black Tar, you just need to refine it more and certain cartels get lazy. Go deep in the heart of Mexico and I am sure you can fine some banging Mexican Tar that's been refined a bit more. Mexicans go with quantity over quality as opposed to the Colombians for trafficking into the US. It's pretty fucking stupid, but it's the way it's been done for what 30-40 years now? They even had Colombian chemist come in and help the Mexican cartels refine their Mexican heroin into "Mexican White" which is pretty much like the off-white Colombian dope. But that didn't last. You gotta refine the dope till you can get it up to like ~97% purity, which the Mexicans making Black Tar don't do. They are satisfied with their shit at 50% purity. IMO, it's bad business practice for the Mexicans, if they took the little time and effort and money to refine their dope to Mexican white, the profits would be greater after the initial investment.

But it this way, a kilogram of Mexican Tar at an average of 40-55% which is GOOD tar is $XX,XXX. I don't know the exact prices. But a kilogram of Colombian powder at an average of ~95% sells for 3-5x what the kilo of tar is worth. The Colombians put in a little extra money, effort and time and get back the bigger bucks. Who's winning? Anyone who says the Mexicans got the drug trade on lock is right, but with all the violence and gang bull shit they are drawing heat and losing profits with this shit. Colombians are quietly sitting back making 3-5x as much on a kilo of dope than tar heroin, PLUS they got the cocaine trade on lock. Mexicans depend on the Colombians for the coke. Only good thing the Mexicans are good for is the Meth they make, which they probably make a shit load off of, but they practice bad drug business. Too much fighting. Didn't they learn from the Colombians and Miami in the 80's and what happened there with the drug war? It's going to happen again. It is happening again. Mexican tar sucks. End of story.
 
First of all you ain't getting tar that's 60%, believe me and everyone else on this board.
Click to expand...

I'm pretty sure I am bud. First, it says right there in my last post that my numbers weren't accurate, and I'm not talking about all the tar or all the powder out there being the same, I just needed numbers, any numbers, for comparisons...

Here's something from the DEA though..."[from] October 1999 [to March 2000], agents have seized 41 pounds of heroin, with a street value of millions of dollars. The heroin ranged in purity from 60 to 84 percent" and "Albuquerque law enforcement personnel report that retail-level purity for both Mexican black tar and Mexican brown powdered heroin generally exceeds 70 percent."

And that was 10 years ago, I've actually read it's more around the 80% now, wish I could find that. Plus an added percentage of what isn't heroin in tar is 6-MAM, read my last post as to why that's important.

A gram of tar in San Francisco or Seattle is not going to be a potent as the tar in Pheonix, Texas and the border states. Tar isn't hard to cut either my man. The Mexicans are cheap and basically throw the cultivated opium into the pots and acetylate it or whatever and BOOM you have your Black Tar Heroin.
Click to expand...

I agree. I used to live about 2 hours away from Mexico, in Arizona, and would go out there about 3-4 times a year. I'd get at least 2 grams a day and I never noticed a difference in quality from what I got in AZ, and what I got in Mexico. Maybe I just had good hookups in AZ. I have gotten tar in CA and it was pretty good, not as good as what I normally got in AZ, but still really good.

But a kilogram of Colombian powder at an average of ~95% sells for 3-5x what the kilo of tar is worth
Click to expand...

I agree with this too somewhat. But my numbers on a smaller level more closely match what I posted below, because a gram of tar typically cost about 60% of what a gram of powder cost. I wish I could buy it by the kilo, or even the quarter kilo, to compare like that, heh.

From Wikipedia- "The price per kilogram of black tar heroin has increased from one-tenth that of South American powder heroin in the mid-1990s to between one-half and three-quarters in 2003 due to increased distributional acumen combined with increased demand in Tar's traditional realm of distribution. It has been steadily on the rise in the following years to nearly converge with the dropping purity of U.S. east coast powder varieties of heroin."


Wish I could find where I read that it's consistently better now, but that doesn't matter. The above info and my previous post are enough for what I'm trying to say, which is I've gotten way more fucked up off tar, than white, and I'm just trying to explain why. I'm not saying white sucks or anything like that, I'm just a little disappointed from it. Hell, I agree with you that tar sucks, it's more cheaply processed, etc... but if it sucks that bad, why do I get so messed up off it? I've tried the white in NY, in St. Louis, and in Chicago, and I don't get a huge buzz unless I do a ton. With tar, I do .3-.4 of a gram and I'm noddin off.

Anyways, that's all I have to say.
 
Last edited:
Subflict said:
To people that think powder is clearly superior to black tar...

I started on tar (by tar I mean big hard chunks, not that overcut brown dust with some black chunks) and got up to about 1- 1 1/2 grams a day after 2 years. I would smoke it, and very occasionally would shoot it. After I moved to Chicago, I started getting powder, and noticed it was considerably weaker, no nod unless I did a ton, mostly just euphoria and not getting sick, and that was with slamming it (I have a great white hookup, barely cuts his bags, and also will sell me a raw rock, uncut by him)...

I realized this was against conventional wisdom, since I always read powder was more pure, but I've recently (about a year ago) read that black tar is approaching the purity of street powder (I wish I could find the source). I tried to make sense of it, since even if they are the same purity I should at least feel them the same, and after I read a few articles on wikipedia, I think I've found out why I was feeling tar much more than white.

**From 'black tar heroin' on wikipedia-

-It should also be noted that the percent of the remainder of black tar heroin is often other psychoactive opiate substances, like 6-MAM & 3-MAM *in addition to* the usual adulterants and dilutents found in other forms of illicit heroin.

**From 'heroin' on wikipedia-

- In particular, users report an intense rush that occurs while the diacetylmorphine (heroin) is being metabolized into 6-monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM) and morphine in the brain. Diacetylmorphine produces more euphoria than other opioids upon injection. One possible explanation is the presence of 6-monoacetylmorphine, a metabolite unique to diacetylmorphine. While other opioids of recreational use, such as codeine, produce only morphine, heroin also leaves 6-MAM, also a psycho-active metabolite.
_______________________________________________________________________________

(numbers below are not accurate, just a representation for example's sake)

The way I read this, is lets say that your black tar is 60% pure heroin. Aside from the cut, there is a large percentage of the remaining tar that is also 6-MAM due to the process of making black tar. 6-MAM causes an intense rush, and since it is in natively in black tar and not powder (all heroin metabolizes to morphine and 6-MAM, but 6-MAM is a byproduct of the process used to make black tar, so in your typical tar you not only have just pure heroin, but also 6-MAM), that could be a reason why I percieved tar to be stronger than white.

I guess an easier way to explain it would be this: I get a gram of tar and a gram of white. They are both 60% pure heroin, but since the tar also has 6-MAM in it, I would feel it more. So not only would the tar be something like 80% opiates, the extra percentage is 6-MAM, which causes a rush (and researchers find 6-MAM is possibly what makes heroin more euphoric than other opiates), while the white would only be 60%.

I find it plausible that tar is stronger than white because: a) tar is approaching or has approached the strength of white; b) it is much harder to cut (dilute) a nice chunk of tar than it is white, so while tar can be bought at almost the same strength it was processed at, powder gets cut more down the line (anyone can add a dormin or whatever cut to white, while tar is just harder to cut); and c) 6-MAM, a psychoactive compound, makes up a percentage of tar, in addition to heroin; as opposed to just heroin in white.

So speaking from experience, if you have a good tar supplier, you shouldn't worry that you are missing out on anything by not getting white. I get much more of a nod from smoking tar than I do slamming white, which might not sound right, but through my experience is true. Even when I get a rock of uncut white, it still doesn't make me even close to as high as I do off tar.

I totally thought I'd be getting more off white powder, but after a year, I am somewhat disappointed in it. I still love it and do it, heh... I just really miss my tar at this point. So people that only get tar, you are really not missing anything except the ability to snort it easily, and the fact that your veins won't get hard from shooting white. In fact, through experience, tar gives more of a high, and I definitely prefer it!
Click to expand...

Purity data for Mexican and South American heroin show a trend similar to production trends. According to DEA Heroin Domestic Monitor Program (HDMP) data for 2001 through 2006, the most recent data available, Mexican heroin purity has increased significantly and South American heroin purity has decreased significantly. The opposing trends in heroin purity have resulted in a convergence in average purity for South American and Mexican heroin, whereas in 2001 the average purity of South American heroin (49.7 percent pure) was more than 28 percentage points higher than that of Mexican heroin (21.0 percent pure) (see Figure 17). The increased production of Mexican heroin combined with Mexican heroin purity levels that are comparable to those of South American heroin aids Mexican criminal groups in expanding distribution of Mexican heroin in markets where South American heroin typically dominates.
figure17.gif



Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd

Figure 17. South American and Mexican Retail Heroin Purity, by Percentage, 2001-2006

Graph showing South American and Mexican retail heroin purity, by percentage, for the years 2001-2006, broken down by year.

In 2001, retail South American heroin had a purity of 49.7%. Retail Mexican heroin had a purity of 21.0%.

In 2002, retail South American heroin had a purity of 46.0%. Retail Mexican heroin had a purity of 27.3%.

In 2003, retail South American heroin had a purity of 41.8%. Retail Mexican heroin had a purity of 26.3%.

In 2004, retail South American heroin had a purity of 32.5%. Retail Mexican heroin had a purity of 27.9%.

In 2005, retail South American heroin had a purity of 37.3%. Retail Mexican heroin had a purity of 32.5%.

In 2006, retail South American heroin had a purity of 36.1%. Retail Mexican heroin had a purity of 30.0%.

you are so wrong :)
 
Last edited:
alteknj said:
First of all you ain't getting tar that's 60%, believe me and everyone else on this board. Good powdered dope at 60% isn't bad, but getting into the 70%-80% range it doesn't compare in purity. Although this really depends on what part of the country you are getting it. A gram of tar in San Francisco or Seattle is not going to be a potent as the tar in Pheonix, Texas and the border states. Tar isn't hard to cut either my man. The Mexicans are cheap and basically throw the cultivated opium into the pots and acetylate it or whatever and BOOM you have your Black Tar Heroin. They don't refine it any further. They make more money and you West Coasters buy it up. Not saying you can't get HIGH purity Black Tar, you just need to refine it more and certain cartels get lazy. Go deep in the heart of Mexico and I am sure you can fine some banging Mexican Tar that's been refined a bit more. Mexicans go with quantity over quality as opposed to the Colombians for trafficking into the US. It's pretty fucking stupid, but it's the way it's been done for what 30-40 years now? They even had Colombian chemist come in and help the Mexican cartels refine their Mexican heroin into "Mexican White" which is pretty much like the off-white Colombian dope. But that didn't last. You gotta refine the dope till you can get it up to like ~97% purity, which the Mexicans making Black Tar don't do. They are satisfied with their shit at 50% purity. IMO, it's bad business practice for the Mexicans, if they took the little time and effort and money to refine their dope to Mexican white, the profits would be greater after the initial investment.

But it this way, a kilogram of Mexican Tar at an average of 40-55% which is GOOD tar is $XX,XXX. I don't know the exact prices. But a kilogram of Colombian powder at an average of ~95% sells for 3-5x what the kilo of tar is worth. The Colombians put in a little extra money, effort and time and get back the bigger bucks. Who's winning? Anyone who says the Mexicans got the drug trade on lock is right, but with all the violence and gang bull shit they are drawing heat and losing profits with this shit. Colombians are quietly sitting back making 3-5x as much on a kilo of dope than tar heroin, PLUS they got the cocaine trade on lock. Mexicans depend on the Colombians for the coke. Only good thing the Mexicans are good for is the Meth they make, which they probably make a shit load off of, but they practice bad drug business. Too much fighting. Didn't they learn from the Colombians and Miami in the 80's and what happened there with the drug war? It's going to happen again. It is happening again. Mexican tar sucks. End of story.
Click to expand...

eh its hard to say that when it feels like 90% identical to powder dope once its in your veins. I have heard many people who have lived on both coasts say that they feel good tar is stronger than good powder and I think this is mostly because of all the other by products the mexicans leave in the tar. I have heard that its these extra by products which give tar that extra strong nod-iness which powder doesn't have. Like I said the general observation I have gotten from people who have done both fire powder and fire tar is that powder has a much stronger rush with a much cleaner high but doesn't last as long, while tar has a weaker rush but a heavier nod and lasts a bit longer.
 
Subflict said:
I'm pretty sure I am bud. First, it says right there in my last post that my numbers weren't accurate, and I'm not talking about all the tar or all the powder out there being the same, I just needed numbers, any numbers, for comparisons...

Here's something from the DEA though..."[from] October 1999 [to March 2000], agents have seized 41 pounds of heroin, with a street value of millions of dollars. The heroin ranged in purity from 60 to 84 percent" and "Albuquerque law enforcement personnel report that retail-level purity for both Mexican black tar and Mexican brown powdered heroin generally exceeds 70 percent."

And that was 10 years ago, I've actually read it's more around the 80% now, wish I could find that. Plus an added percentage of what isn't heroin in tar is 6-MAM, read my last post as to why that's important.
Click to expand...

I won't disagree with you that maybe 10-20 years ago the purity levels of tar were much higher and cleaner than now, but not 80% dude. Jersey/NYC bags can get up to 80% and that is just BOMB BOMB BOMB shit, 9.5/10 stuff. Counting 10/10 as pure off the kilo out the factory. Mexican Black Tar and brown powder dosen't exceed 70%, not in the US at least dude. Maybe 55%-60% IF YOU ARE LUCKY to get a GOOD dude near a border state or the source and that is a fucking rare find man. I'm talking about like very rare. Even the good fire tar down in Phoenix or Texas is only 50% maybe. Not 70% and definitely not 80%. Average NYC/Jersey powder is 65-75%. Check out the DEA random street tests report from Newark and Camden. Consistently the HIGHEST purity heroin the country for how many years and running? 10? 12? More? No idea, but it's not a contest. There is good tar, but powder wins. Just my biased opinion. Never tried tar, I'd love to. And there are people that will agree and disagree with me that have tried both, but the majority will agree. Oh, and there is SHITTY powder dope. I'm talking about the good stuff from NJ/NYC. Farther you get away, the purity levels drop. There is powder dope that is shit, that good/decent tar is better than I am sure of. But on the average, I don't think so. If the Mexicans got their shit together, they could make better quality black tar, higher purity. They could even refine it to Mexican white heroin which would be just as pure as Colombian off the kilo ~97%. I even said in my last post, they had a Colombian chemist come in and help refine some. I believe I read in the DEA report it ended up in Chicago a few years back for one batch. Mexicans are lazy and they need to step their heroin game up. I wish they would actually. A whole nation with amazing powder heroin or at least a bit better tar. Imagine if the Mexicans refined their shit like the Colombians to make Mexican white powder. High purity powder coming in from Mexico and Colombia. Maybe some day. Too much cartel violence over territory and drug shit in Mexico for them to care. They make the quick buck, when then put a little more money, time and effort to get a product that is worth 3-5x more a kilo than the tar now. They have the pure meth. Colombians have the pure coke. What else do you need? Mexico needs to clean up it's act and act like the businessmen of Colombia (not saying there isn't bloodshed and war there either, but not as bad as Mexico; 4000 killed in Juarez, Mexico alone over drugs last year) That's like over 10 people a day. They work together now, but if they actually created a real business like the old time Colombian cartels, it would be the 80's all over again. The US would not stop the slow of pure Mexican powder heroin or refined tar, pure meth and pure Colombian cocaine and powder heroin. One can wish. Maybe in another 10 years or so.

But to get back to my point, no tar is 80%. Not on the street, not even during the process of cooking a batch. It's crude opium refined to diacetylmorphine. They can refine it more for higher purity as I said, but they aren't right now. Who knows. :p

Hendrix Haze15 said:
eh its hard to say that when it feels like 90% identical to powder dope once its in your veins. I have heard many people who have lived on both coasts say that they feel good tar is stronger than good powder and I think this is mostly because of all the other by products the mexicans leave in the tar. I have heard that its these extra by products which give tar that extra strong nod-iness which powder doesn't have. Like I said the general observation I have gotten from people who have done both fire powder and fire tar is that powder has a much stronger rush with a much cleaner high but doesn't last as long, while tar has a weaker rush but a heavier nod and lasts a bit longer.
Click to expand...


Sorry to jump the gun Hendrix my dude. I never tried tar so I can't judge, I am being biased. And I agree with you because I have spoken to people myself that have been to both coasts. It's the same chemical, but tar is just so much dirtier, great that it has all those narcotic byproducts in it though. I didn't really man Mexican Tar sucks, but it doesn't compare to powder dope. I have heard so many varying opinions you can't even fucking argue about something like this. It's just a dick sizing contest. Black tar is what West Coasters get and are used to. It's heroin. Heroin is heroin. I actually want to try it even being from New Jersey. It fascinates me. You can find some fire tar, I've been told near the border, in LA/San Diego, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico all the border states and of course if you go to the source in Mexico it's probably even better. I've heard of powered users switching to tar after moving and saying it's better, and the complete opposite. People from the East moving West and saying it is GARBAGE. People who have access to both and prefer one over the other. There is some GREAT FIRE Black tar out there, no denying it, but the powder is better on average purity wise. I think it's just a topic of opinion and shouldn't be argued over. If I had to move out west, I would have to make due with the tar I guess. (Maybe get some shipments of bundles every once in a while 8)) But on the average tar purity levels are lower than powder by a decent number. You live in So Cal, so I am sure you get good/decent stuff, better than up north in San Francisco or Seattle where I hear it's terrible than again it's who you know, how high up in the game they are and the quality of their product. ;)
 
Last edited:
80% tar is basically impossible. it might be 80% once you add up all the other percentages of all the by-products involved in tar. but accounting for just heroin hcl, you will not get 80%
 
Here in northwestern PA we had tar that came from the mexicans in Columbus, OH for a good 3 years and thats all that I bought. Then the connect went to jail so I had to switch to powder. I noticed that tar addicts (me and my friends) didn't get off on the powder like we did on tar. I'd say its like switching from methadone (super heavy sedated high) to oxy (super clean lucid high). I actually prefer the tar to the powder because the consistency of the tar is MUCH better than fucking with Pittsburgh bags (similar to Jersey). When I got a balloon I knew what I was buying (not shit... seems like quarter of the time I go to Pittsburgh I end up copping total shit.) I mean theres raw powder around now and I'd still go with tar cause it lasts longer and its a heavier high. I've spent more time head back, eyes closed, mouth wide open on tar then I have on powder.
 
Hendrix Haze15 said:
eh its hard to say that when it feels like 90% identical to powder dope once its in your veins. I have heard many people who have lived on both coasts say that they feel good tar is stronger than good powder and I think this is mostly because of all the other by products the mexicans leave in the tar. I have heard that its these extra by products which give tar that extra strong nod-iness which powder doesn't have. Like I said the general observation I have gotten from people who have done both fire powder and fire tar is that powder has a much stronger rush with a much cleaner high but doesn't last as long, while tar has a weaker rush but a heavier nod and lasts a bit longer.
Click to expand...

I've OD'ed on both TAR and POWDER. I must say the Tar by far had a better rush. When I OD'd on powder I didn't think I was going to fall out. Powder always has a good rush for me though. THe only time I got a good rush from tar was when I OD'd. I took the shot and felt tingles through my whole body that were soooo powerful. Immediately, I called my friend up and told him I was sure that I had just overdosed. This saved my life. Powder > Tar (normally) but when you OD then Tar > Powder
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top