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Mephedrone Megathread VI: Anyone Seen My Heartvalves?

Surely if boorishness was being targeted we'd have an anti-cocaine SWAT team making the rounds as well. As for meph, I got a few bags of it upwards of a year ago, never had any real side effects but as of about 9 months ago the anecdotal evidence as well as lack of much of an interesting a kick lead me to toss it to the curb. Since then the anecdotes have gotten much more common and additional scientific opinion has been given. I certainly would encourage people not to take it, and I'm far from someone who is scared of their own shadow.

With the huge amount of offline use this is now getting in europe and beyond, It's too bad bluelight or one of their peers couldn't offer a grant for a peer reviewed study. I know I'd certainly be willing to donate to the cause for such a thing.
 
It is true that some on ADD have a rather snooty attitude to the drug; they seem annoyed that people should be doing such a 'useless' 'pathetic' substance while other alternatives are out there. This may colour their judgement.

I disagree. The first few times I took it were absolutely magical, not least because after sampling some awful legal alternatives in 2008, I presumed that anything legal must be rubbish. It was a delightful surprise.

I felt fantastic, not MDMA fantastic, but something almost equally enjoyable. And my friends inform me I wasn't annoying at all, apart from telling them about what a wonderful time I was having.

My best mate much prefers me on such substances; I have an alcohol problem that manifests itself in occasional binges where I become a misanthropic, glass-eyed monster. Especially when I neck a bottle of Bushmills.

Mind you, the first few times I took it was in pill form, from a well known supplier who stopped selling for a few months in the summer; I'm now led to believe I was taking a combination of M1 and mephedrone. That's what I've been mostly taking since.

I've just overindulged. Fortnightly turned into weekly turned into taking from Friday to Sunday and back again on Friday. I've been taking magnesium and Taurine, but can't replicate the initial buzz. At the same time, I haven't fallen asleep on the bathroom floor in a puddle of whiskey-smelling vomit. Which is good.

From listening to my body, and then coming to this place, I've become concerned. Who knows? I also suffer from certain long-standing health problems I won't divulge, not least because some judgemental folks round here will begin a barrage of 'WTF??? WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS SEEK MEDICAL HELP NOW!!!' Yeah, I know. I was born a weak-willed arsehole and I'll die a weak-willed arsehole.

I'm certainly not going to make any rash promises about my future use. If I die, you can inscribe 'I told you so' on my tombstone. But at least I've been given food for thought.
 
John Lewis said:
Yeah the more I read the more this stuff sounds like utter filth.
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It doesn't exactly come from a nice welltodo background. It's methcathinone (ephedrone), a methamphetamine analogue which has been abused for decades with a grim history in russia worth googling up, altered with a simple substitution which makes it technically legal in a bunch of countries, meaning chinas massive ephedrine output can be turned into addictive hillbilly meth for very little cost or effort and happily flogged by the pallet load to naive people in western europe for enormous profits.

That's what I think anyway. Some people call it a research chemical though, they might have other ideas, any takers?
 
Ceres said:
It doesn't exactly come from a nice welltodo background. It's methcathinone (ephedrone), a methamphetamine analogue which has been abused for decades with a grim history in russia worth googling up, altered with a simple substitution which makes it technically legal in a bunch of countries, meaning chinas massive ephedrine output can be turned into addictive hillbilly meth for very little cost or effort and happily flogged by the pallet load to naive people in western europe for enormous profits.

That's what I think anyway. Some people call it a research chemical though, they might have other ideas, any takers?
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Im stopping this shite for good now then, and I'm glad I've only taken 5g. I pray that the way I abused it up to now won't have done anything serious. I particularly worry about brain damage from the stuff.
 
Shambles said:
Methcathinone is not quite the same as 4-methylmethcathinone though. The former is even nastier shit than the latter. Don't think either are methamphetamine analogues as such. Neither are exactly healthy, mind :D
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methcathinone is a structural analogue of methamphetamine, I actually wrote out the points in that post in a longer clearer format last night which has references in it but I didn't want to post it when I was drunk.

It was from Drug Abuse Handbook, 1998, ISBN 0-8493-2637-0 which is actually on google books in parts. I don't know if you've read it but it's not as fun as it sounds, and has a pathology perspective.....
 
Mephedrone is one of the best high's ever but its completely understandable that some ppl in ADD are histerical about it. This substance seems capable of causing some kind of severse vasoconstrciction which lasts for up to 6 months after taking the substance, were ppl are still purple.

I have no clue how the hell such thing is possible, there isnt a single drug that causes such strange effect.

Apart from that we've got horror stories about 4 methyl amphetamine about ppl saying they have changed, and that its nasty stuff... mephedrone doesnt seem to be as bad tough.

What id really like is some research so we know what causes the vasoconstriction (so we can prevent it) and so we know how neurotoxic it is.

Because mephedrone reallly seems like a perfect drug, snorting a few grams over a weekend is really my idea for fun, i'm just too afraid to get those bad side effects, sure the chance of that happening would be small but i'm afraid to risk it lol.
Ive only used it 3 times. I do think it would be safe in 300mg doses.

On the other hand it just seems that certain ppl are just sensitive to the vasoconstrictive effect as some ppl have been addicted to mephedrone for months, and if it caused as much damage for everyone they would be half dead.

@7zark7
I basicly dont know what i'm talking about, so vektor's, F&B's and the opinion's of other in ADD are certainly wort more then mine.
 
Hahah, I'm sure some people have expecting some entirely different. There is actually a big chapter on myocardial alterations of stimulant users that is apt given the title of this thread, it does spell it out in plain terms and made me think a lot about what I was doing to myself when I was taking a lot of 4mmc a few months ago.

Probably one to avoid for the buzzing hypochondriacs though heh.
 
And we don't know how neurotoxic this stuff is yet, right?

What about the people who have been addicted to the stuff and doing multiple grams each day for months? How come they have been ok?
 
Because the most harmful potential effects are thought to cause damage to the heart (and possibly brain) in the long term more so than the short term - those heavy users probably won't find out for years whether damage was indeed done. Acute problems (vasoconstriction/purple limbs, paranoia/anxiety, tachycardia and so on) don't seem to be so much of a concern. Although undoubtedly unpleasant. And possibly a sign of future problems along the way. Or possibly not.
 
Got these red chest spot/blotches after taking mephedrone which I can't completely link to it, they could be coincidental, and tbh they look more like a skin condition than anything else. Kinda red blotches around my chest/heart area. They're still visible about 11 months after I took meph, seem to have faded a fair bit recently, although they flared up and were really red over a month ago. Dunno what it means, I have some pics but i'm a bit self conscious about posting them on such a viewed thread bluhhh...
 
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