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JWH-015 and JWH-018 legal status

I do not wonder at all, Hammilton, not at all...
My personal vote for the dumbest post of the month goes to.... BRENDANCHARRO! :\
 
Hmmmm well I guess it's pretty obvious i'm not a scientist and new to this kind of post thing but I would be interested to know why I am such a dumb ass. I'll swallow my pride though as I am always ready to listen to an expert who knows better (which you guys obviously are)
if anyone could please enlighten me as to which part/s of my post were so dumb? I'm guessing the final questions;
DO NOT REPEAT THIS... but not 100% certain why!!! If you guys could just humour me and let me know. (and maybe a "science for idiots" kinda response to my question)
 
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perhaps if you did a bit of research you could find the price ranges by yourself, and also i believe discussion of market prices like discussion of suppliers is not allowed in this forum. also, your posts are quite clearly off-topic.
 
LuxEtVeritas said:
FnB--

how many people do you know tasted the N-butyl that you arrived at your conclusion on effect?

did you assay RoA via oral and smoked?...and at what doses?

TIA!!!
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About half a dozen (incliding myself), who had also tried JWH-018. All of the others it was via smoking/vapourization route, but as usual I've crammed it into every orofice possible! =D
 
Jwh-018

JWH-018 along with the other JWH's were invented by John W Huffman. Can't find which year it was invented in but its pretty new. New enough to still be legal until they get a hold of it.
 
Official US DEA postion on JWH-018, JWH-073 and CP 47,497: not analogs

I thought I'd post this as I've seen a great deal of speculation here and other places about the legality in the US of these substances, with a fair number of people arguing that parts 2&3:

"(ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulent, [sic] depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
"(iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.

would qualify these substances as analogs even without meeting part 1:

"(i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;

predominantly because of the lack of an "and" following the first portion of the definition. Others have argued that no matter the structural similarity, prosecutors would be easily able to confuse a judge no matter what the law was, and there have also been instances of DEA personnel seeming to broaden the CSA through their own interpretation during public speaking.

Anyway, no matter all of this, I thought folks might be interested that the DEA itself lists all three of these chemicals as not fitting the CSA at this time, essentially calling them legal. If this has been discussed before I apologize, but I must have missed it (and search did too). These "Drugs and Chemicals of Concern" documents are dated February 2009.

JWH-018 is not currently controlled under the CSA.
ref: http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/spice/spice_jwh018.htm

JWH-073 is not currently controlled under the CSA.
ref: http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/spice/spice_jwh073.htm

CP 47,497 and its homologues are not currently controlled under the CSA.
ref: http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/spice/spice_cp47497.htm

In contrast, they do list HU-210 and HU-211 as being analogs under the CSA (navigate up from one of the previous links if you'd like to see their reports), though that has always been assumed as far as I know.

Anyway, not surprising to me as I've always read the analogue act as requiring part 1 no matter what was said, but perhaps that will put that little side of the argument to rest. It is interesting to note though, as it officially means that even if you were selling JWH-018 or JWH-073 etc. openly for human consumption in the US you'd to my understanding only run afoul of the FDA, and agency that is notoriously lax or slow moving in most cases.
 
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Maybe CP-47,497 would have looked more like an a THC analog if they hadn't forgotten the phenol!

So basically the FAA says it's only legal to get drunk or smoke cigs but the DEA don't see the point in doing anything about this stuff, yet...
 
Doesn't appear to have; a major vendor was located their . Huge greedy asshole idiot liars with substandard product and no regard for human life, but they were Kiwis.

I thought it seemed odd that they had drawn that wrong. It would have seemed odd for anything based on the cannabinoid to lack the phenolic hydroxy.
 
Hey everyone,
Has anyONE READ THE THE BLUA BEFORE POSTING.....
Peace
 
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Yes, it's fine. It's really powerful though, and it's easy to over do it and have the worst Cannabinoid-induced panic attack ever. If you've ever freaked out from cannabis, imagine that twice as bad.

That said, it's actually very good, especially when used at the right dose. I used it a lot before we had our baby, at a variety of doses. It's very psychedelic-y, you might say. Where really good cannabis can be very psychedelic (I don't mean by visuals and such, but the mental alterations- though they both cause a very specific type of visual), this is just about guaranteed to produce the beautiful psychedelic head space of that great cannabis does.

I don't know about you, but personally, I enjoy a high dose oral cannabis experience. With a valium to keep anxiety in check, it's a very interesting experience. I don't have a lot of experience, but it reminds me of some of the dissociatives I've tried, but then again, so does high dose cannabis itself, at least when taken orally.

On a more important note, I'd be wary of anyone offering free samples. There was a vendor doing this a few months back that was selling absolute garbage. The stuff they had was thick, dark and seemed somewhat sticky. When we contacted them regarding this (we had other issues with them), they kept saying that JWH-018 was actually supposed to look like this, and the beautiful white powder that other places were selling was "over processed" and that real, pure JWH-018 was supposed to be this dark brown-orange color, and that when a chunk of it was broken into a powder, it should be orange.

Very dangerous practice, because from the best evidence we have- from careful extraction of the impurities and comparing the weight of it at the start, and the end + the weight of the extracted impurites- it was actually something like 70-75% pure, a far cry from the 98.5% they claimed it was. 98.5% may sound like a lot, but that's not even pure enough to be considered pharmaceutical grade. It's not a perfect method, but even if somehow 10% of the extracted stuff was actually JWH-018, you're still around 80-85% pure, which is pathetic.

It's a good thing they were offering free samples. It would have been sad if they had been charging for the right to attempt to poison yourself.

In my most recent communication with them, they claimed to have had their already outsourced synthesis moved from China to the US, and that they were getting nice white to white with a very slight tint of orange/yellow. I haven't seen any of their product since then, though, so I can't say. If they have, great, but it's too bad they put greed above their customer's health.

Personally, until we have better research on the subject of JWH-018 toxicity, I'd suggest to avoid it, or at least keep your use heavily restricted.
 
ok this is my first post here at bluelight. my form will thus likely be awkward and weak *grin*

someone asked about for a trip report on heavy dosages of JWH 018?

I'll keep it short.

After getting a .25 gram, I did ~3 to 5 mg hits about every 3 hours and passed out easily at bedtime, nice as I am a chronic insomniac. Also, it was great for pain; I have serious joint damage and I would rate with the lowgrade opiates for pain relief, but the instantness of it makes it more useful.

The next day, I decided as a serious smoker for 30 years, and having heard of psychedelic effects at really high doses, I told my roomie I needed a baby sitter, and measured out a 16th of a gram. . .~ 60 or 65 mg.

I put it on top of the ash of a cashed bowl in my bong, and vaped it carefully. I took it all in one hit and held it for a measured 20 seconds. The rush you get because you get completely high instantly is almost like hitting opiates, but milder. (It has scared off some of my friends, even very exp stoners.)

I staggered to my chair at my comp, almost drunkenly impaired, and tried to play video games. I soon realized that I was far too trashed to even do that; I put Man vs Wild on and watched Bear Gryllz eat bugs for two hours....I have rarely had so much visual smearing, distortion, and color intensification on any psychedelic - the only similar experience I have had was when I had some butter made from Dutch black hash, and did about 3 times the recommended dosage from inexperience and stupidity.

After those two hours, I was simply more stoned than I have been in YEARS; maybe an eighth or more of the very best Diesel all at once is all I can compare it to.....and that was after I came DOWN a bit.

I didn't experience any paranoia...but in truth, the MJ high has always made me bold as a chihuahua on steriods...I expect that I am atypical and not a good referent for that.

I had a blast, I wouldn't recommend it to any one who can't ride out total disorientation. There was a point or two I wasn't sure where I was or how I got there, except that I had my cats to keep me company. That is a touchstone for me on trips, so it helped when I needed it.

I hope this is good enough to add to the knowledge base here.

My apologies in advance for any rules violations, poor reporting form, or misplacement of this post.
 
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So what's the legal status in he UK as of now? I keep reading reports that SPICE and substances like this have been banned, but no specific mention of JWH-018.
 
Do I have to fuckig find that home office list! Bollocks to that.
1. It said something like ALL synthetic canabinoids will be made illegal.
2. Go anywhere UK based that sold them in december and find they are no longer sold.

That simple.
 
Oh give me a break! Who asked you to answer anyway? If you can't be arsed answering, don't answer. Pretty simple really.

It was a perfectly reasonable question in any case. I did spend some time searching and did find a few Home Office references, but as I said they mainly mentioned 'spice' and not JWH-018 specifically.

I just wondered what the actual deal was with this particular substance? In any case, how can they ban 'all synthetic cannabinoids'? Clearly there are likely to be a great many of these that haven't even been invented or investigated yet.

Hopefully with the huge number of chemists on the internet, people will start to realise what a great resource they have and will begin to collaborate and will increasingly come up with even newer and much more novel compounds.
 
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