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The Big & Dandy Ego Death Thread

^ Well yes delysyd :D - but you know what i'm driving at - it's a state sometimes attainable through psychedelia & other methods but it's not sustainable through psychedelia - nor would it necessairly be desirable to sustain it.
 
^yes i know what ur saying. I was only teasing a little. :)

You're right though.

nor would it necessairly be desirable to sustain it.
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this is true. But whats strange is that the ego death experience can be so overwhelmingly euphoric why wouldnt one want to stay in that state?

Or is it the rebirth/reintegration back into the ego that is so euphoric?
 
B9 said:
If your ego died it wouldn't come back - would it ? As such I think the term is misleading - dissolution is a better description IMO
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haha Yes! that's what I was saying in some post in this thread
 
swilow said:
a part thats bored and feels like writing my opinon down. "Ego death" is when that aspect of our existence is gone. All aspects of "your" "existence" are "gone". They also aren't gone, but are shown to not even actually exist anyway.
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You must have been terribly bored to write down something so utterly inane. I've read more insightful things on the back of a cornflakes box.

It's quite clear you have no idea what the term ego-death means. It sounds like you had a trip just like everyone else does but for some reason (perhaps your ego?) you need to describe it in terms of "ego-death" in order to prove how "special" you are.

Perhaps "brainfart" would be a more accurate term to describe what you experienced.
 
Any reason why the "chosen few" should only experience it tho?

I mean most people trip and experience a broadly similar experience - deep emotions, visual effects, audio effects. All pretty common effects.

Why should swilow experience "ego-death"? Do you think God marked him as "special"? Or that he's more mystical and not like other men? ;)
 
But why shouldn't everyone experience it? After all we experience the other effects of psychedelics.

You're claiming not everyone has experienced it - can you think of any reason why they wouldn't experience ego death when they experience every other effect of psychedelics?
 
Perhaps they/you havent experienced it yet.

I dont think some of us are more privileged and thus experience it.
Its like Shulgins ++++

PLUS FOUR (++++) A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samādhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment.
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I've experience this twice.

What seems to be the more significant of the two, with shrooms, I remember when I was finally able to stand up.(I was on the toilet, head in my lap for about two hours), there was this whole underlying theme of growing, or rather 'blooming', like everything around me was the pinnacle of existence,(and hey it was.) the very tip of a flower or any plant growing at a fast pace.

Right before there was this whole release period. Those two hours I just went through my whole life and how it relates to the external world, and I was finally able to let go of all these mental weights that have been dragging me down.

It was fucking beautiful.
 
B9 said:
If your ego died it wouldn't come back - would it ? As such I think the term is misleading - dissolution is a better description IMO
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Drug-induced ego death is a type of breakthrough experience--a sudden and radical qualitative shift in experience distinct from the type of experience that preceded it. Ego dissolution typically precedes ego death, and can vary by degree, which is what makes it different.

Take another type of breakthrough experience like identity substitution on salvia, for example (think of all the reports where trippers believe they are other people or things, or themselves at an earlier age). A vivid reliving of a childhood memory is to an experience of identity substitution where one actually believes they are themselves as a child as ego dissolution is to ego death. The experience of full immersion in a hallucinatory landscape of 3D forms holds a similar relationship with the abrupt and short-lived experience of extra-spatial perception sometimes reported on DMT. In some ways ego death is an extension of ego dissolution in a similar way to believing you are yourself as a child is an extension of a vivid reliving of a childhood memory as your adult self where it's "almost like you were there." But it's also its own distinct and unmistakeable experience.

All the arguing over semantics in this thread is a strong indication that ego death is a misleading term, though. Both words are so weighted. I don't know, what about "self blackout"? I'm certain there's better terms, but any alternate terminology should capture the fact that the self infrastructure remains (it's not destroyed and gone, or fragmented, or just figuratively low on power like during ego dissolution), but no engaged awareness or sense of self efficacy is running through it.
 
Ismene said:
You must have been terribly bored to write down something so utterly inane. I've read more insightful things on the back of a cornflakes box.

It's quite clear you have no idea what the term ego-death means. It sounds like you had a trip just like everyone else does but for some reason (perhaps your ego?) you need to describe it in terms of "ego-death" in order to prove how "special" you are.

Perhaps "brainfart" would be a more accurate term to describe what you experienced.
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Ismene said:
Any reason why the "chosen few" should only experience it tho?

I mean most people trip and experience a broadly similar experience - deep emotions, visual effects, audio effects. All pretty common effects.

Why should swilow experience "ego-death"? Do you think God marked him as "special"? Or that he's more mystical and not like other men? ;)
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You are a waste of time. Go and lve your fake life elsewhere.
 
Delsyd said:
I dont think some of us are more privileged and thus experience it.
Its like Shulgins ++++
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I've experienced a state of bliss on psychedelics many times. If it's a shulgin ++++ state you're referring to then I've had that. I've just never lost my memory, conscious mind and been completely physically paralysed.

One thing that doesn't add up - people are claiming they lose their memory, their conscious mind and "ego" and yet they are able to recall what happened to them - which obviously means their memory, conscious mind and ego were all in perfect working order.
 
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