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Bluelight and the Aussie Internet Filter – Will it affect us?

Indeed, however I suggest that recommendations should be made as to what trustworthy public proxies and trustworthy public open DNS servers are available. Bear in mind that the likelihood of these operating successfully in all cases will be determined solely by the selection of the filtering products your ISP will buy as the product type/brand and feature sets are not dictated by the government.
 
You can currently grab a copy of the report here or here.

It's pretty vague, especially when discussion circumvention of the filter, but notes one particpant of the trials successfully blocked 35/37 circumvention methods (potentially) including the use of proxies. That also gave a "noticeable performance degredation" though.
 
There is well over 12 months to come up with ways to circumvent the introduced technology. It will be interesting to see if this passes through the senate and what further restrictions will be placed onto the legislation before it is passed.
 
Thanks for posting that, very troubling news.

I can't believe you guys haven't been on to this already. I remember someone (a mod?) in this thread dismissing the idea that BL could be targeted.

Good bye BL, so long and thanks for all the tips :(
 
It's a bit presumptive to say it's probably Bluelight they're referring to. The report said

A site set up by a community organisation to promote harm minimisation in recreational drug use.

I'm not so sure this refers to BL, as there are numerous NGO sponsored websites that fall under that description. However, if these are included, we'd have Buckley's as we currently present....
 
I can't believe you guys haven't been on to this already. I remember someone (a mod?) in this thread dismissing the idea that BL could be targeted.

Good bye BL, so long and thanks for all the tips :(

That was me and until the report was released this week I don't remember drug sites as being specifically mentioned in previous discussions on what constituted "illegal" sites. I thought they were talking about things like bomb-making instructions. You know things that can actually threaten a society, not information about minimising the harms of drug use.
 
Hello all

First and foremost, what constitutes RC material in Australia?

"Refused Classification (or RC) is a broad category of content that includes not just child sexual abuse material but also socially and politically controversial material -- for example, educational content on safer drug use -- as well as the grey realms of material instructing in any crime, including politically controversial crimes such as euthanasia." Not to mention certain sexual activities and depictions of violence and/or violent acts.

Second Will BL fall within the remit of the filter?

There is absolutely no question on this matter, this site will be added to the filter block list. This site qualifies on the simple and vague terminology "Contains information likely to be of use to a drug user." in the criminal context irrespective of whether or not the site informs people how to minimise harm. Video games are banned in Australia for containing references to drug usage, so be under no illusions there.

As mentioned earlier, your ability to circumvent will be dependant upon the technology used by your ISP; which is a choice that is at this point still at the discretion of the ISP. Do not assume that because the government is mandating this that it will be set up by incompetents. These systems will be setup by ISP personnel to ensure the job is done right.

The biggest threat will come from DPI type products, some of which were tested in the pilot. DPI works by inspecting the packet data itself for references to banned URL's which may then cause your browser to be re-directed to a "who has been a naughty boy then?" page. These require more than just an open proxy or DNS service adjustment to by-pass, heavy (beyond 40bit) encryption to a secure off-shore service will be required to get around this technology.

The greatest threat to our freedom as far as I can see is the Australian Christian Lobby who are attempting to pressure the government into widening the filter block parameters. IF enough religious morons listen to them and believe me Conroy is a deeply religious guy who has no qualms about legislating morality then we can assume that once the filter is in the situation will get worse with successive governments and extended legislation. There are no restrictions.
 
Hello all

First and foremost, what constitutes RC material in Australia?

Ask the guy at Polyester Books, he's forever being raided over books on growing pot etc. Basically, any book you wouldn't get past customs can be banned on this list :\

Hoptis - yeah, you missed the boat on that one, drugs have always been up there as a reason to ban sites, that's why I was kind of gobsmacked by your dismissiveness at the time. If it's illegal then it's illegal, whether be drugs, violent video games, or child porn, there is no difference as far as the wowsers see it. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
 
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Phase Dancer - Maybe presumptive but all it takes is a single complaint to the ACMA and it will be on the blacklist. All it would take is one disgruntled member. But considering the media attentio you guys get then I would be AMAZED if bl scraped through without getting listed.
 
Hoptis - yeah, you missed the boat on that one, drugs have always been up there as a reason to ban sites, that's why I was kind of gobsmacked by your dismissiveness at the time. If it's illegal then it's illegal, whether be drugs, violent video games, or child porn, there is no difference as far as the wowsers see it. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

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1. From what I understand this is mostly dead in the water now. We don't really have any contingency but if it were to become an issue, I'm sure we're all worried that BL would be one of the first sites targetted.

To be honest, I'm still somewhat dismissive. I've been involved with the online scene in Australia for a while now, when I was fifteen I did my Year 10 communications project on the Communications Decency Act the Clinton administration tried to implement in 1996.

It's very hard for me to believe that this legislation could ever pass in Australia and with twelve months until it is, we can only hope it will be defeated by one means or another.

As I said, we have no contingency. I can only promise that if it does happen, any and every possible circumvention technique will be shared here in the months leading up to it.

For the record; I hope JB doesn't mind me sharing these stats...

Traffic from Australia makes up the third-largest source of visits to Bluelight, behind the US and the UK. Still, visits from Australia for the last year only make up 7.86% of the site total.

So it certainly doesn't mean the end for Bluelight, but as anyone on staff would have noticed, there are a lot of us and the positions we hold at all levels of Bluelight far outweighs this percentage (because we all know Aussies make better mods ;)). On a quick headcount; 17/88 mods are from Australia, 4/10 senior mods.
 
There is well over 12 months to come up with ways to circumvent the introduced technology. It will be interesting to see if this passes through the senate and what further restrictions will be placed onto the legislation before it is passed.

There's always the scary possibility that a double dissolution will be called over the emissions trading scheme and Labor could have a majority in the senate by the time it comes for this bill to passed right?
 
^^ Quite so. Although, to their credit, a few backbenchers have been kicking up a stink over this
 
This will be incredibly frustrating and inconvenient, but there will forever be work-arounds. I'll eat my hat if they setup an impenetrable system.
 

Google Australia blogs
Our views on Mandatory ISP Filtering
Wednesday, December 16, 2009 at 10:02 AM

At Google we are concerned by the Government's plans to introduce a mandatory filtering regime for Internet Service Providers (ISP) in Australia, the first of its kind amongst western democracies.* Our primary concern is that the scope of content to be filtered is too wide.

We have a bias in favour of people's right to free expression. While we recognise that protecting the free exchange of ideas and information cannot be without some limits, we believe that more information generally means more choice, more freedom and ultimately more power for the individual.

Some limits, like child pornography, are obvious. No Australian wants that to be available – and we agree. Google, like many other Internet companies, has a global, all-product ban against child sexual abuse material and we filter out this content from our search results. But moving to a mandatory ISP filtering regime with a scope that goes well beyond such material is heavy handed and can raise genuine questions about restrictions on access to information.

The recent report by Professors Catharine Lumby, Lelia Green, and John Hartley, Untangling The Net: The Scope of Content Caught By Mandatory Internet Filtering, has found that a wide scope of content could be prohibited under the proposed filtering regime. Refused Classification (or RC) is a broad category of content that includes not just child sexual abuse material but also socially and politically controversial material -- for example, educational content on safer drug use -- as well as the grey realms of material instructing in any crime, including politically controversial crimes such as euthanasia. This type of content may be unpleasant and unpalatable but we believe that government should not have the right to block information which can inform debate of controversial issues.

While the discussion on ISP filtering continues, we should all retain focus on making the Internet safer for people of all ages. Our view is that online safety should focus on user education, user empowerment through technology tools (such as SafeSearch Lock), and cooperation between law enforcement and industry partners. The government has committed to important cybersafety education and engagement programs and yesterday announced additional measures that we welcome.

Exposing politically controversial topics for public debate is vital for democracy. Homosexuality was a crime in Australia until 1976 in ACT, NSW in 1984 and 1997 in Tasmania. Political and social norms change over time and benefit from intense public scrutiny and debate. The openness of the Internet makes this all the more possible and should be protected.

The government has requested comments from interested parties on its proposals for filtering and we encourage everyone to make their views known in this important debate.

Posted by Iarla Flynn, Head of Policy, Google Australia

Updated: December 16, 2009 at 5:00 PM
* Germany and Italy have mandatory ISP filtering, however in both cases they are of a clearly limited scope. In Germany, the scope is child abuse material and in Italy, it is child abuse material and unlawful gambling sites. Australia's proposed regime would uniquely combine a mandatory framework and a much wider scope of content, the first of its kind in the democratic world.

Google Australia Blog


Couldn't have put it better, thank you Google <3
 
^that was a pleasure to read, well put indeed.

ive only really started taking note of this recently and this is a delightfully informing thread:)

For the record; I hope JB doesn't mind me sharing these stats...

Traffic from Australia makes up the third-largest source of visits to Bluelight, behind the US and the UK. Still, visits from Australia for the last year only make up 7.86% of the site total.

So it certainly doesn't mean the end for Bluelight, but as anyone on staff would have noticed, there are a lot of us and the positions we hold at all levels of Bluelight far outweighs this percentage (because we all know Aussies make better mods ;)). On a quick headcount; 17/88 mods are from Australia, 4/10 senior mods.

all seriousness aside, are you guys working on a severence package for us if this does actually get implemented? theres only so much midget pr0n out there. being let go from a voluntary job is only going to be the nail in the coffin:|;)
 
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