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A thought popped into my head. So if maps goes all well...

^ Interesting.. I am interested to see Doblin's take on the whole 60s psychedelic movement which basically imploded. Although I wasn't around back then, from my readings I have come to the conclusion that Leary et al kinda fucked it up. They started partying with this stuff and started making a lot of needless noise. Maybe some good came out of it but I think, in the end, psychedelics and psychedelic research took a big hit because of the government backlash. Now we are 30-40 years behind in good psychedelics research. Thanks to organization like MAPS and others, it is opening up again albeit very gradually.
 
Well I think it's important to realize that those involved with the psychedelic counterculture in the '60s--like Leary and Alpert--had no way of knowing that their enthusiasm would result in a backlash/implosion. I think their intentions were pure--a lot of people condemn Leary, but if you really read what he was saying, it's not so different than many of the opinions I see posted here every day.

And Doblin--as much as I respect him--certainly has the benefit of hindsight when he makes statements that might be a tad derogatory with respect to Leary et al's actions in the '60s.
 
^ Good point. Hindsight is always 20/20. The 60s were the most "progressive" decade this past century, even up till now. Here in America, Civil Rights were passed which really changed the landscape. Ever since then, there has been a backlash against the 60s from the more "conservative" aka backwards & racist elements of society. It continues to this day as is apparent with the re-election of G. W. Bush twice.
Maybe LSD catalyzed these progressive movements and Leary et al popularized acid so there may be an indirect connection... I can see that..
 
swilow said:
I do think Huxley was correct in saying the world is not ready for LSD....
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Huxley's time has long since passed.. it's a different world now. I, for one, think that the world badly needs LSD. Obama and his cabinet can use some doses to set their perspective straight.
 
^ ^ I like what you say.

We are just conjecturing within what we forsee as realistic boundaries. Do you really think there's a chance that suddenly everything related to substance use will be legal? No, not going to happen. That said, the picture you paint is of how things really ought to be.

And us? We don't give a shit about these laws anyway. See, we are not only addressing ourselves, but the *mass population* of mostly law-abiding, "mainstream" folks. We here at Bluelight (and especially at PD) are not typical. In this discussion, however, are addressing the "typical."
 
Skatardude; I feel you and I agree to a point.

The thing is that kind of thing is what Leary et al tried to do and it blew up. The world can't handle that kind of thing. The gov't wouldn't accept that and we'd be right back at 1970 if we tried to do that. We shouldn't have to compromise but we do have to; it sucks but it's true.

I also know a LOT of people I wouldn't want to see a sheet of acid in their hand or a big bag of MDMA. They would abuse the hell out of it and receive no beneficial effect; to the contrary it would ruin them. A lot of people are uneducated and (straight up) not smart enough to dabble in these wonderful chemicals.

What I would like to see is proper education on the substances in question and a license that gets earned in order to acquire them. Something not dissimilar to a driver's license.

With this kind of system there's unfortunately likely going to be a class split. There's going to be those who have "the license" and those that "didn't make it". It's a tricky situation and if there's people with psychedelic drivers licenses it won't be hard for non-licensed people to get their hands on the stuff.

I just see bad things happening if you could buy LSD off the shelf at your local drug store.
 
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Psychedelics will never work as prescribed medicine because of there side effects (aka all the psychedelic effects). Drug developers/researchers will use/do use these psychedelic drugs to find derivatives that may specifically effect the body in a certain fashion with out the side effects of psychedelics.
 
PepperSocks said:
Skatardude; I feel you and I agree to a point.

The thing is that kind of thing is what Leary et al tried to do and it blew up. The world can't handle that kind of thing. The gov't wouldn't accept that and we'd be right back at 1970 if we tried to do that. We shouldn't have to compromise but we do have to; it sucks but it's true.

I also know a LOT of people I wouldn't want to see a sheet of acid in their hand or a big bag of MDMA. They would abuse the hell out of it and receive no beneficial effect; to the contrary it would ruin them. A lot of people are uneducated and (straight up) not smart enough to dabble in these wonderful chemicals.

What I would like to see is proper education on the substances in question and a license that gets earned in order to acquire them. Something not dissimilar to a driver's license.

With this kind of system there's unfortunately likely going to be a class split. There's going to be those who have "the license" and those that "didn't make it". It's a tricky situation and if there's people with psychedelic drivers licenses it won't be hard for non-licensed people to get their hands on the stuff.

I just see bad things happening if you could buy LSD over the counter at your local drug store.
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Totally agreed. I always have a supple stash of MDMA and LSD and I use one or the other maybe once a month. A lot of people I know can't believe that I can keep stashes around as they will use whatever they have until it is gone! I don't understand why people can't control themselves, as you end up not actually enjoying the chemicals when they are overdone. I'm kinda scared by the amount of people that can't handle having more than one dose at their disposal at a time without doing it right on the spot.

I think education is a huge thing, and hopefully with education people will realize that if they abuse these chemicals they wont enjoy them for much longer. Seems to be asking a lot for some reason though...
 
love_sex_desire said:
Totally agreed. I always have a supple stash of MDMA and LSD and I use one or the other maybe once a month. A lot of people I know can't believe that I can keep stashes around as they will use whatever they have until it is gone! I don't understand why people can't control themselves, as you end up not actually enjoying the chemicals when they are overdone. I'm kinda scared by the amount of people that can't handle having more than one dose at their disposal at a time without doing it right on the spot.

I think education is a huge thing, and hopefully with education people will realize that if they abuse these chemicals they wont enjoy them for much longer. Seems to be asking a lot for some reason though...
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I wouldn't be so quick to chalk up an individual's inability to refrain from abusing their 'stash' to a lack of willpower. I'm more inlcined to believe that conditioning (via government propoganda, etc...) creates a reality for many people which provokes such behavior.

Let's pretend candy was outlawed. I would bet that people would treat their 'stashes' in a similar fashion to how certain individuals treat their drugs.

Proper education would definitely help curb this attitude by promoting respect for all substances.
 
Just wanted to mention I changed the bottom line of my last post.

Having psychs available off the shelf at a drug store would be horrible. Having them over the counter would likely be better and possibly manageable with certain criteria (such as license)

As it is in Canada we can buy aspirin/caffeine/codeine not off the shelf, but we can walk up to the counter and ask for a bottle. They likely wouldn't sell them to 16 year old kids or people who they deem shouldn't have them.

Watch their criteria end up being "Don't sell to people in their early twenties who think they are responsible and are wanting to use for therapeutic experiences" :p ;)
 
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