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Here ill contribute copped some best bags today. Probably not the same ones as everyone else(stapled through the top) good white dope, kind of fluffy. Overall bomb....
 
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This thread has become so fucking whiny it is ridiculous.


Here's an idea, if you don't like what someone posts ignore or report.

So simple, even a caveman can do it.
 
leelee33 said:
g88 why do you say shit like "weak ass junkies"? Are you impervious to dying from fentanyl? Most likely the people who died from it either didn't know what it was or used too much. I personally have a good friend who died from fentanyl overdose so have some respect. thank you.
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lelee , i am sorry about your freind but it is hard to have respect for people that have no respect for themselves.. you should always test drive a bag before you dive in, especially when you have no clue where it came from. certain people have no business in this game. The ones that last follw certain rules of the game. the rest end up dead, in jail, or just junkies. Junkies will steal from family and freinds, spread disease, and just give all heroin users a bad rep.
 
chinky said:
G im just curious on your thought process on it, i would think if your posting on the same topic you would want your posts to be together and not scattered in multiple posts

KC..i think lacey might have your trumped but im curious in general about peoples life storys like how they got to be where they are today, what type of shit people gone threw especially junkies
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you ever watch the wire? best show ever and it shows all aspects of the heroin biz
 
naw never watched it...but i prefer reading books and autobiographys of junkies instead of tv shows

-methylfentanyl is an opioid analgesic that is an analogue of fentanyl.

α-methylfentanyl was invented in 1976 and appeared on the black market under the name "China White". It was first identified in the bodies of two drug overdose victims in Orange County, California, in December 1979, who appeared to have died from opiate overdose but tested negative for any known drugs of this type. [1] Over the next year there were 13 more deaths and eventually the responsible agent was identified as α-methylfentanyl. [2]

α-methylfentanyl was significant as the first example of a "designer drug" which had been developed entirely by clandestine chemists for sale as an illicit recreational drug rather than as a product of legitimate scientific research; while new synthetic drugs such as DOB and ALD-52 had previously appeared on the black market, they had been reported in scientific research papers prior to their appearance as recreational drugs.

α-methylfentanyl was placed on the Schedule I list in September 1981, only two years after its appearance on the street, but already other analogues were being developed. Following the appearance of α-methylfentanyl on the market, over 10 new analogues of fentanyl have been reported, starting with para-fluorofentanyl, followed by α-methylacetylfentanyl, then by the highly potent 3-methylfentanyl, and subsequently many others such as β-hydroxyfentanyl, ohmefentanyl, β-hydroxythiofentanyl and β-hydroxy-4-methylfentanyl. [3] The development of such a wide structural family of novel narcotic drugs was a major factor responsible for the implementation of the Federal Analog Act which for the first time attempted to control entire families of drugs based on their structural similarity rather than scheduling each drug individually as they appeared. Whether this has been a successful strategy is debatable, it could be argued that specifying restrictions on new drugs which have never yet been made only encourages clandestine chemists to become more creative to attempt to circumvent the legal restrictions.

α-methylfentanyl has similar effects to fentanyl. It is less potent by weight due to reduced binding affinity to its target site, yet longer acting as the α-methyl group interferes with binding to metabolic enzymes which break the drug down. The independent discovery of the effect of the α-methyl group on fentanyl also marked the first time clandestine recreational-drug research had an effect on practical scientific research.[4] Since fentanyl itself is highly potent and notorious for causing fatal overdoses when abused, and also very short lasting with addicts often administering doses every hour, α-methylfentanyl could have several advantages over the parent compound as a recreational drug. Side effects of fentanyl analogues are similar to those of fentanyl itself, which include itching, nausea and potentially serious respiratory depression (namely with overdoses or improper drug-combinations, such as with benzodiazepines) which can be life-threatening. China White is anywhere from 10-1000 times more potent than heroin.

Fentanyl analogues such as α-methylfentanyl and 3-methylfentanyl are often used as the "cut" in small amounts in normal Heroin stamps and bags, making them much more potent and profitable when sold as Heroin alone due to the advantage of raising the retail price per unit sold.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphamethylfentanyl
 
Going back on topic...

Fentanyl is no joke man, I don't think I've ever done it, but from what I can gather, once you OD on that shit you die. I don't think it's like ODing on heroin where you pretty much got all day being unconscious to wait for a shot of narcan. I think if you OD on fent it death can be anywhere from instantaneous to 2 minutes from the shot. I've read local news articles about kids dying from fetanyl with the needle still in their arm. The articles also said that if someone ever came across pure uncut fentanyl powder, they can get high or even die just by touching the stuff and having it asbsorb through the skin, especially the eyes. Oh yeah these articles also called it china-white, you can google it or something if you want, I'm too lazy for that shit.

Oh yeah and I'm never ever going down to the blocks again, if I do decide to do heroin again which I don't think I really will, I have someone whose willing to deliver me bags for just giving him 10 bucks, and he goes down there everyday anyways so it saves a huge hassle, and I think it is money well spent.
 
Last Christmas I was going to Indiana to visit my lesbo friends, and this was before they made fentanyl patches hard. They were like the fruit gusher types with gelly type shit in the middle and she od-ed and died (but is ok now) 2 days before I was supposed to fly in. That girl has a fair share of experience in dope (or blows, i guess) but she did that shot, took a look at her eyes and her heart stopped.

Once I started going really crazy with oc 80s in Florida, I'd do like 10 a day and seriously nothing, I got one of those fentanyl patches (the hard ones) I guess you're supposed to chew on them til the taste goes away and it didnt even take the wds away. Now that I've slowed down a lot I can get high off a dimebag, but i'm still afraid of fet.
 
see i can shoot an entire 50mcg fent patch and have a really good buzz but no od. iam not saying iam impervious to oding on fent, what iam saying is that it can be shot without oding.
 
Hey all, new to forum, new to Chicago in general.

The only time that I've seen fentanyl is in the lollipop form a few years ago. A good friend of mine OD on some white that he thought was Heroin #4 but later it was discovered to have been cut with among other things, fentanyl.

I hope to stay away from the stuff if at all possible and always try to test my bags (when i can find any)

Isn't fentanyl pretty hard to come by, anyway? Like, possibly more expensive than H?
 
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the illicit manufacture of fent isnt really to costly. its the pharmacy companies that make this drug expensive. its profitable cause of the amount it takes to achieve gettn a buzz. say you synth a kilo of fent thats prolly a million or more dose of fent in that kilo.
 
continentaldrift said:
And they dealers don't just create Fent/diphenhydramine cuts and substitute them for H for what reason? The Fent doesn't get evenly distributed and people die?
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Because the fent is so much more potent that the bag would be like 90% diphen (I made that number up, but it would be high) or really small.
 
the wire is the bee's knees. best and most realistic crime drama on television. g88, when people were dying a few years ago from fent it was people who were copping from there regular spots in some cases. When you frequent a spot for a while you tend to expect to know how strong the product is. I don't think you can blame everyone who died from fent for "not testing the bag". But, when your in this game, you have to know the possible consequences. You just make it sound like you have the game by the balls and have no chance of od'ing or going to jail. it can happen to anyone in this game, and i think you should acknowledge that you aren't any different than anyone else in that respect.
 
i have the most fire weed right now..he gave it some names but i dont care about names its just really good smoke
 
leelee33 said:
the wire is the bee's knees. best and most realistic crime drama on television. g88, when people were dying a few years ago from fent it was people who were copping from there regular spots in some cases. When you frequent a spot for a while you tend to expect to know how strong the product is. I don't think you can blame everyone who died from fent for "not testing the bag". But, when your in this game, you have to know the possible consequences. You just make it sound like you have the game by the balls and have no chance of od'ing or going to jail. it can happen to anyone in this game, and i think you should acknowledge that you aren't any different than anyone else in that respect.
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Agreed. When your strung out and going at it hard, your going to slam your normal amount of dope. I know the harm reduction side of the situation says to test a little and go from there, but anyone who shoots dope knows when your sick or just jonesing for a shot, you want to shoot your normal dose and get the full on rush rather than shooting a little to test it out, and then shooting a little more with a much weaker rush and so on. Sometimes you just don't know if the dope has changed or how strong the dope at your normal spot is at the moment. It's just part of the junkie lifestyle. I mean I have overdosed quite a few times and trust me its not from not knowing my shit or being new to the game.
 
Hendrix Haze15 said:
Agreed. When your strung out and going at it hard, your going the situation says to test a little and go from there, but anyone who shoots dope knows when your sick or just jonesing for a shot, you want to shoot your normal dose and get the full on rush rather than shooting a little to test it out, and then shooting a little more with a much weaker rush and so on. Sometimes you just don't know if the dope has changed or how strong the dope at your normal spot is at the moment. It's just part of the junkie lifestyle. I mean I have overdosed quite a few times and trust me its not from not knowing my shit or being new to the game.
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exactly. I get my dope from one of two places 99 percent of the time, and I always expect the quality to be in the same ballpark. I wouldn't expect if I pick up a jab and shoot 3 that I'm gonna fall out because thats around an average shot for me, and i expect that i can handle it. I guarantee 99 percent of dope iv users don't think they need to "test the product" first, because they pretty much expect what their gonna get.
 
^^^I honestly think it has a little to do with your ROA. It seems the people who snort their dope are more keen and more willing to test out a little before full on diving in, while the people who shoot dope would consider that crazy and want to shoot their normal dose right away without second thought.
 
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