KStoner6tb
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^Because they think he's a big pushover. In essence, they're pretty much just using this award as a way of making him their bitch. Excuse the foul language, but it's really a big joke.
Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
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marsmellow
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That makes no sense at all. What are you talking about? How does giving Obama a Nobel Prize "make him their bitch"?
KStoner6tb
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Read my post 5 above yours. They're trying to influence his decision on Afghanistan for one. You really don't see that at all? Trying to make sure he stands by all his little bullshit empty promises he made on that campaign trail which pulled the rug over so many brilliant liberal eyes. 
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Well, if that's true, then it is a good thing. They'd be helping us out if they convinced Obama not to send more troops to Afghanistan. It's a huge waste of money and lives. I hope you're right.
BTW, considering the opinions of our allies, that doesn't make us "their bitch." It is the smart thing to do. You don't ever want to make the entire world angry at you like Bush did. It's just stupid.
And LOL at this:
BTW, considering the opinions of our allies, that doesn't make us "their bitch." It is the smart thing to do. You don't ever want to make the entire world angry at you like Bush did. It's just stupid.
And LOL at this:
^ He totally predicted your post. :Dtambourine-man said:
rpm
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I think this from the guardian makes a good point:
Source http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2009/oct/09/nobel-peace-prize-obama
Source http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2009/oct/09/nobel-peace-prize-obama
KStoner6tb
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Yahh, they loooove him(obama) because they know he dosen't have a clue what in the hell he's doing.
You think they're in love with him because he's going to be great for our country?? The US? They wanna know how he's going to be able to help their interests first and foremost. He had more 'no votes' than anybody else during his SHORT senate stay. He has no balls. He tries to just "make everyone happy"
You can't run a country with that mentallity and not expect to be taken advantage of. Not to mention besides his senate seat, he was a community organizer? He's in way over his head and he's just treading water for now. Scraping by.
You think they're in love with him because he's going to be great for our country?? The US? They wanna know how he's going to be able to help their interests first and foremost. He had more 'no votes' than anybody else during his SHORT senate stay. He has no balls. He tries to just "make everyone happy"
You can't run a country with that mentallity and not expect to be taken advantage of. Not to mention besides his senate seat, he was a community organizer? He's in way over his head and he's just treading water for now. Scraping by.
Joeof1
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As much as I hope you are wrong, I know you probably are not.
I don't like Obama, and his administration even less so, but i didn't like the guy before him either with much of the same about his admin as well.
I do not think the US will see another worthy President until we break from this streak of electing career politician's. Once the Electorate is finally revamped, we might start seeing President's that have more than their own political career's in mind when running for the position. That has nothing to do with the Nobel Peace Prize, but this nomination let alone awarding does a great injustice to those that before have actually worked for this award.
rant*N*rave
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Source
Why Winning the Nobel Peace Prize Could Hurt Obama
By Simon Robinson
Friday, Oct. 09, 2009
The Nobel Peace Prize offers its recipients one of the most powerful platforms in the world. Winners get immediate global attention and the chance to meet and influence leaders and governments everywhere. Think of it as a megaphone through which worthy — and very often obscure — activists or politicians or environmentalists can shout their message to a gathered crowd. That's just one of the reasons the Nobel Committee's decision to award this year's Peace Prize to Barack Obama is such a stunning surprise. Obama has the world's most powerful platform: the White House. And you don't need a megaphone when you're the U.S. President. You speak, and people listen.
The five-member Nobel Committee in Norway said Obama was awarded the Peace Prize for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" and highlighted Obama's promotion of nuclear disarmament. "Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said in announcing the prize. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."
That's all true. But Obama has been in office eight months. His ambitious plans for a peace deal in the Middle East and a nuclear-free world are just getting started. No doubt the Nobel Committee want this prize to add momentum to those plans. But the award also risks adding to the huge burden of expectations that Obama carried when he entered office. The reality of governing has already proved how ridiculous many of those expectations were.
And now Obama is the Nobel Peace Prize winner. "Frankly, it seems premature when he hasn't been in office even a year yet and has not yet actually achieved the goals he set out — although he certainly has made some very noteworthy efforts," says Mark Fitzpatrick, senior fellow for nonproliferation at the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies. "I think he will be embarrassed by it, and it will be unhelpful in the domestic milieu."
That's an understatement. As TIME's Mark Halperin notes on The Page, "Barack Obama's critics have long accused him of being a man of 'just words,' rather than concrete actions and accomplishments. The stunning decision to award him the Nobel Peace Prize for, basically, his rhetoric, will almost certainly infuriate his detractors in America more than it will delight his supporters."
"Conservatives in America," Halperin continues, "many of whom recently expressed joy that Obama failed on the international stage in his hands-on bid to win the Olympic Games for Chicago, will denounce Obama's award as a farce. Even some neutral critics will agree that the honor seems, at a minimum, premature."
Fitzpatrick and his colleagues at the International Institute of Strategic Studies reacted in the same way: "Is this a joke? We all thought it was a joke."
— With reporting by Mark Halperin / Washington and Catherine Mayer / London
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HALPERIN'S TAKE: Five Ways Winning the Nobel Helps/Hurts Obama
Helps:
1. Validation of his world view.
2. Momentum in current peace talks around the world.
3. Adds to his aura as a historic figure.
4. Allows him to recover from his Olympic failure.
5. Gives him cover to expand the war in Afghanistan.
Hurts:
1. Raises expectations.
2. Emboldens and angers his domestic critics.
3. Will make him the target of late-night comedy jokes.
4. Further divides a polarized America.
5. Will alienate some other (jealous) world leaders, making it harder to work with them.
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I find the whole thing pretty ridiculous.
Why Winning the Nobel Peace Prize Could Hurt Obama
By Simon Robinson
Friday, Oct. 09, 2009
The Nobel Peace Prize offers its recipients one of the most powerful platforms in the world. Winners get immediate global attention and the chance to meet and influence leaders and governments everywhere. Think of it as a megaphone through which worthy — and very often obscure — activists or politicians or environmentalists can shout their message to a gathered crowd. That's just one of the reasons the Nobel Committee's decision to award this year's Peace Prize to Barack Obama is such a stunning surprise. Obama has the world's most powerful platform: the White House. And you don't need a megaphone when you're the U.S. President. You speak, and people listen.
The five-member Nobel Committee in Norway said Obama was awarded the Peace Prize for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" and highlighted Obama's promotion of nuclear disarmament. "Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said in announcing the prize. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."
That's all true. But Obama has been in office eight months. His ambitious plans for a peace deal in the Middle East and a nuclear-free world are just getting started. No doubt the Nobel Committee want this prize to add momentum to those plans. But the award also risks adding to the huge burden of expectations that Obama carried when he entered office. The reality of governing has already proved how ridiculous many of those expectations were.
And now Obama is the Nobel Peace Prize winner. "Frankly, it seems premature when he hasn't been in office even a year yet and has not yet actually achieved the goals he set out — although he certainly has made some very noteworthy efforts," says Mark Fitzpatrick, senior fellow for nonproliferation at the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies. "I think he will be embarrassed by it, and it will be unhelpful in the domestic milieu."
That's an understatement. As TIME's Mark Halperin notes on The Page, "Barack Obama's critics have long accused him of being a man of 'just words,' rather than concrete actions and accomplishments. The stunning decision to award him the Nobel Peace Prize for, basically, his rhetoric, will almost certainly infuriate his detractors in America more than it will delight his supporters."
"Conservatives in America," Halperin continues, "many of whom recently expressed joy that Obama failed on the international stage in his hands-on bid to win the Olympic Games for Chicago, will denounce Obama's award as a farce. Even some neutral critics will agree that the honor seems, at a minimum, premature."
Fitzpatrick and his colleagues at the International Institute of Strategic Studies reacted in the same way: "Is this a joke? We all thought it was a joke."
— With reporting by Mark Halperin / Washington and Catherine Mayer / London
------------------------------------------------
Source
HALPERIN'S TAKE: Five Ways Winning the Nobel Helps/Hurts Obama
Helps:
1. Validation of his world view.
2. Momentum in current peace talks around the world.
3. Adds to his aura as a historic figure.
4. Allows him to recover from his Olympic failure.
5. Gives him cover to expand the war in Afghanistan.
Hurts:
1. Raises expectations.
2. Emboldens and angers his domestic critics.
3. Will make him the target of late-night comedy jokes.
4. Further divides a polarized America.
5. Will alienate some other (jealous) world leaders, making it harder to work with them.
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I find the whole thing pretty ridiculous.
GoddessLSD-XTC
Bluelighter
Wonder if Obama thinks he deserves it?
smotpoker
Bluelighter
I just wanted to take this moment to thank and praise our Commander In Chief for this most excellent award. Only the best of the best get it and Barack is one of the best.
Barack should just ignore all the naysayers and haters cause he's our Leader and if you don't like it than too bad!
Hopefully his health care reform will go through and the country will be even better off.
I think everyone should take a few seconds to be thankful for all President Obama is trying to do.
The Nobel Peace Prize should be honored that a man so incredible like Barack exists for it to be given to.
Barack should just ignore all the naysayers and haters cause he's our Leader and if you don't like it than too bad!
Hopefully his health care reform will go through and the country will be even better off.
I think everyone should take a few seconds to be thankful for all President Obama is trying to do.
The Nobel Peace Prize should be honored that a man so incredible like Barack exists for it to be given to.
Wyld 4 X
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GoddessLSD-XTC
Bluelighter
Answered my own question. At least Obama thinks he's doing good or he's trying, whereas the Bush's were up to skull-duggery from the beginning or since birth.
juniortha3rd
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well, he got elected......
I want to say "hell no he doesn't deserve this. War counts as peace nowadays? GTFO of here."
But then again, I think back to the news clips that the TV stations played after he won the election. His victory really did inspire people. I remember one news clip in particular, the newsanchor was interviewing a black man in some mideast shithole the day after Obama won. The man said that arabs there still referred to the africans as "slaves." And then he said that he thought it was encouraging that people could elect a man as president in a place where black people were once held as slaves, not too long ago.
tambourine-man
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^
That's more of a reason to give the American electorate a Nobel Peace Prize, rather than the person they elected.
That's more of a reason to give the American electorate a Nobel Peace Prize, rather than the person they elected.
GoddessLSD-XTC
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We're all slaves now unless U own lotsa $$$ so U can hire slaves.
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I laughed my ass off when I heard this, he has carried on from where Bush left off he is NOT one tiny TINY little bit better than Bush, in fact he's worse because he can get away with so much more because he's black & such a good speaker (bullshitter) before people start to ask questions.
Perhaps the people who voted for him to win the Nobel PEACE prize were highlighting how much of a joke the majority of the public's perception of him as some sought of fucking messiah is.
Just look at all the promises he made before he got elected & how many of them he has kept. He's sending more troops to bomb the fuck out of Afghanistan & next he'll be sending troops to Iran after they don't meet his unreasonable demands.
Perhaps the people who voted for him to win the Nobel PEACE prize were highlighting how much of a joke the majority of the public's perception of him as some sought of fucking messiah is.
Just look at all the promises he made before he got elected & how many of them he has kept. He's sending more troops to bomb the fuck out of Afghanistan & next he'll be sending troops to Iran after they don't meet his unreasonable demands.
rachamim
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If he had been white he would not even had been nominated, just as with that as* kissing in the opening of the UN Gen Assembly last week. People are entralled that he seems (really did not) to have turned the US status quo on its racist head, and that he simply is not a Bush.
Utter nonsense. His contribution to peace? Not OKing the desired Troop Surge in Afghanistan. Other than that, it is business as usual.
Utter nonsense. His contribution to peace? Not OKing the desired Troop Surge in Afghanistan. Other than that, it is business as usual.
drug_mentor
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I think its bollocks personally, he hasn't done anything close to what someone should to win a nobel peace prize, seriously.
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This isn't the first time the Nobel Peace prize has been awarded to someone who hadn't 'done anything to deserve it.'
That being said, even Obama noted that he did not deserve it. He didn't ask for the prize, it was given to him. If you want to bitch at someone, aim it at the Nobel committee. Not the President.
The same people who cheered when the US lost the Olympic bid are the same ones who are complaining about the POTUS winning a Nobel Peace prize. Really patriotic.
That being said, even Obama noted that he did not deserve it. He didn't ask for the prize, it was given to him. If you want to bitch at someone, aim it at the Nobel committee. Not the President.
The same people who cheered when the US lost the Olympic bid are the same ones who are complaining about the POTUS winning a Nobel Peace prize. Really patriotic.
