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Depersonalization from MDMA?

no, it is.

people who experience extreme depersonalization are the people with the most created egos. Our reality is so so so sooooo based on perception, and some people just cannot deal with themselves, and over the years, eventually believe the memories that they created in their heads.

It happens to everybody.

If a person is completely themselves, they do not experience any depersonalization from the drug, they just act like normal. You have a personality issue/disorder, not depersonalization. Your mind is moving fast, and your fake built up part of you is acting, and you are watching or hearing yourself, almost like it wasn't even you that did it! It's just because you have a problem with who you are. And you need to stop trying to diagnose yourselves with singular or even multiple ailments or symptoms and look at the WHOLE PICTURE, MENTAL, PHYSICAL, SPIRITUAL.

depersonalization is merely a symptom of a larger thing and should be used as such.


you mean like severe depression and anxiety? some people dont have control over that. There are neurotransmitter imbalances. For me, its HPPD. my visual cortex is constantly going crazy, making me see things that should be filtered out all the time. This causes a type of sensory overload, this overload leads to depersonalization because i havn't gotten used to it, alot like the other people who get DP/DR with hPPD. its no as simple as you think.
 
no, it is.

people who experience extreme depersonalization are the people with the most created egos. Our reality is so so so sooooo based on perception, and some people just cannot deal with themselves, and over the years, eventually believe the memories that they created in their heads.

It happens to everybody.

If a person is completely themselves, they do not experience any depersonalization from the drug, they just act like normal. You have a personality issue/disorder, not depersonalization. Your mind is moving fast, and your fake built up part of you is acting, and you are watching or hearing yourself, almost like it wasn't even you that did it! It's just because you have a problem with who you are. And you need to stop trying to diagnose yourselves with singular or even multiple ailments or symptoms and look at the WHOLE PICTURE, MENTAL, PHYSICAL, SPIRITUAL.

depersonalization is merely a symptom of a larger thing and should be used as such.

Dude you clearly don't know what you're on about, please stop talking out your ass.
 
you mean like severe depression and anxiety? some people dont have control over that. There are neurotransmitter imbalances. For me, its HPPD. my visual cortex is constantly going crazy, making me see things that should be filtered out all the time. This causes a type of sensory overload, this overload leads to depersonalization because i havn't gotten used to it, alot like the other people who get DP/DR with hPPD. its no as simple as you think.

of course it isn't simple, it's not supposed to be haha.

you are obviously still caught up on labeling your problems instead of finding the root of them. Why do you think you are depressed? Why do you think you are anxious?

Believe me. I know what I am talking about. I've been through more therapeutic bullshit than you can imagine. Many people do not realize how much worse they make their "symptoms" by trying to name and control them.

America is always trying to force you into a group, but any person who has experienced real life will know. The benzos are just gonna make you psychotic, you will remember this when it does.

Hide from your life. Hide.
 
of course it isn't simple, it's not supposed to be haha.

you are obviously still caught up on labeling your problems instead of finding the root of them. Why do you think you are depressed? Why do you think you are anxious? Believe me. I know what I am talking about. I've been through more therapeutic bullshit than you can imagine. Many people do not realize how much worse they make their "symptoms" by trying to name and control them.

America is always trying to force you into a group, but any person who has experienced real life will know. The benzos are just gonna make you psychotic, you will remember this when it does.

Hide from your life. Hide
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Option A.) i take a pill that has been studied and is shown to bind to GABAergic receptors, thereby calming down nerve impulses. This type of medication is perfect for something like HPPD which has been shown through clinical studies to be a cause of disinhibtion (overexcitation) in 2-3 different lobes of the brain, but mainly the visual cortex.

Option B.) I dont take the pill, i constantly hallucinate all day everyday, i become more anxious about it, i withdraw from my social life, my school work will probably be effected etc. etc.

I know more about HPPD than almost anyone else because i educated myself about the drugs involved that cause it, the receptor sites in the brain that are targeted by the recreational and medical drugs. The only people that could know or understand more about why i hallucinate when im sobre and am constantly disassociated are the people working up at harvard medical school right now studying HPPD in lab settings.

Would you not be caught up in trying to figure out whats happened to you when everyday you wake up with the feeling that you're tripping on a psychedelic drug? OH but of course you know my life better than me so please give me some advice i desperately need it.
 
depersonalization is very real. i get it whenever i have flashbacks or mind-crippling anxiety where i can't speak or move....i forget where i am, my mind goes blank..i lose touch with reality and myself..

i'm sure this could be called many things, since i also have schizotypal and bipolar- mania, mixed states, delusions... i agree the terminology can be a little confusing, since depersonalization itself is often comorbid

i haven't heard of mdma causing depersonalization, but derealization for sure.. which is a bit different.. like going from reality feeling like a dream to feeling nothing at all.. and not being able to distinguish the two at times. i've experienced this as well, altho only a day or two after using psychedelic tryptamines.

i'm not saying it isn't possible that mdma gave you depersonalization per se, since the study of mdma is limited nowadays, but likely what you're experiencing is some form of bipolar or schiz triggered by amphetamine use..which can obviously cause states of depersonalization and derealization

be well
peace
 
yeah. i had that. just be very very very very very very patient.
think positive at all times.
get cod liver oil and rhodiola rosea.
exercise.
eat anything that's an antioxidant.
give it time, dude.
 
depersonalization is very real. i get it whenever i have flashbacks or mind-crippling anxiety where i can't speak or move....i forget where i am, my mind goes blank..i lose touch with reality and myself..

i'm sure this could be called many things, since i also have schizotypal and bipolar- mania, mixed states, delusions... i agree the terminology can be a little confusing, since depersonalization itself is often comorbid

i haven't heard of mdma causing depersonalization, but derealization for sure.. which is a bit different.. like going from reality feeling like a dream to feeling nothing at all.. and not being able to distinguish the two at times. i've experienced this as well, altho only a day or two after using psychedelic tryptamines.

i'm not saying it isn't possible that mdma gave you depersonalization per se, since the study of mdma is limited nowadays, but likely what you're experiencing is some form of bipolar or schiz triggered by amphetamine use..which can obviously cause states of depersonalization and derealization

be well
peace


It's DP/DR caused by HPPD. Did you read any of the other posts?

HPPD doesn't go away unless you're extremely lucky. DP/DR are comorbid onset with the onset of HPPD. In my experience, if you get depersonalization symptoms with HPPD, the first month or two are at cloud 9 with the disasociation. It starts to wear off a little bit by bit but i still always feel slightly disconnected from everything except for fleeting moments and i cant grasp onto them, then the DP/DR come back. It all has to do with overexcitation in the brain. No amount of fish oil or vitamins is going to do shit about it.
 
It's DP/DR caused by HPPD. Did you read any of the other posts?

HPPD doesn't go away unless you're extremely lucky. DP/DR are comorbid onset with the onset of HPPD. In my experience, if you get depersonalization symptoms with HPPD, the first month or two are at cloud 9 with the disasociation. It starts to wear off a little bit by bit but i still always feel slightly disconnected from everything except for fleeting moments and i cant grasp onto them, then the DP/DR come back. It all has to do with overexcitation in the brain. No amount of fish oil or vitamins is going to do shit about it.

Whatever benzo addict, take yo pills.

Everyone, daily vitamins, and positive thinking, patience and adjustment. I have been on and off klonopin THREE times in my life TWICE for HPPD related DP/DR. It does help. And it will continue to seem like it is as long as you take it. But it is fucking you over without you even knowing it. You can't think the along the thought patterns that you need to in order to remove the mdma "mindset" if you are clouded by the kpins.

You took a lot of fucking drugs, and its gonna take some time to recover. Obviously, you are a weak minded fuck. Stop doing all drugs.
 
^ Nice post, Tim -- I do think that a lot of people confuse DP/DR with acute anxiety attacks...anxiety can masquerade as many things, and the sooner people realize they're suffering from anxiety, the closer they are to getting it under control.

ColinGibs, I can see the point you're making, but you have to see it from a practical rather than an idealistic perspective. In order to function in society, one requires certain preconceptions, perhaps even "harmful" and "faulty" ones. Sure, MDMA or any other psychoactive substance may lift these, but if their net effect is to cause a person problems in life, then I think it's justifiable for them to use the least involved means possible to "cure" themselves. Not everyone's ready to go on a spiritual journey to resolve the dissonance between their concept of themselves and reality. Also, I think it should be clear to anyone who uses psychoactive substances that there's a chemical and psychological side to any emotion, and both are valid avenues of attack for reaching a cure.

If you really want to provide advice against using benzos as a panacea, I think your experience with them can stand on its own without the psychospiritual background you've constructed for it (though I do respect your thoughts on the matter).
 
ColinGibs you're an idiot im not even going to respond to you anymore.

I've talked with chronic DP/DR patients who will straight up tell you that they CANT get by without klonopin or another benzo. Theres a reason why DOCTORS prescribe medication. It does work if used responsibly.

I have no "spiritual confusion" or whatever the fuck you were rambling about (colins) from MDMA. I've only used it 6 times and that was over a 2 year period. The last time was when i went overboard with the dose and did 350mg of pure. This is what caused the HPPD. The HPPD is what causes DP/DR because of a constant overexcitation in my brain and that i see things that i've not yet adjusted to and most of it still feels very weird for me.

I'm not a pill addict either. I take 1mg of klonopin everyday. YOu're trying to push your faulty past on to me. Im not like you, i dont abuse anything, get the fuck off my nuts kid.

your "advice" is shit at best. Id actually like to get into a discussion with you in person about HPPD and not over a forum and find out exactly how much you think you know. I've literally done DAYS of research on neurology, drugs, neurobiology, how drugs interact with different parts of the cleft, what happens when drugs bind to receptors, etc. Dont be to condescending because first off you really dont have the knowledge to do so and secondly it just makes you look like an asshole.
 
^ Nice post, Tim -- I do think that a lot of people confuse DP/DR with acute anxiety attacks...anxiety can masquerade as many things, and the sooner people realize they're suffering from anxiety, the closer they are to getting it under control.

ColinGibs, I can see the point you're making, but you have to see it from a practical rather than an idealistic perspective. In order to function in society, one requires certain preconceptions, perhaps even "harmful" and "faulty" ones. Sure, MDMA or any other psychoactive substance may lift these, but if their net effect is to cause a person problems in life, then I think it's justifiable for them to use the least involved means possible to "cure" themselves. Not everyone's ready to go on a spiritual journey to resolve the dissonance between their concept of themselves and reality. Also, I think it should be clear to anyone who uses psychoactive substances that there's a chemical and psychological side to any emotion, and both are valid avenues of attack for reaching a cure.

If you really want to provide advice against using benzos as a panacea, I think your experience with them can stand on its own without the psychospiritual background you've constructed for it (though I do respect your thoughts on the matter).

good point sir. I guess i got carried away, as I usually do, in expecting everyone to be able to be able to open their minds as such in a society like we live in.. Truly must get out of here..

i wasn't pushing entirely to do that though. And benzos are really not the "least involved means possible to cure". Time and vitamins are readjustment are the cure. The klonopin is like going swimming in winter when you already have the flu.

Both the psychological and chemical sides of emotions need to be synchronized in order for it to truly be fixed. If you go down only one avenue you will not be addressing the whole problem, and you will be repressing other emotions brought up.
 
ColinGibs you're an idiot im not even going to respond to you anymore.

I've talked with chronic DP/DR patients who will straight up tell you that they CANT get by without klonopin or another benzo. Theres a reason why DOCTORS prescribe medication. It does work if used responsibly.

I have no "spiritual confusion" or whatever the fuck you were rambling about (colins) from MDMA. I've only used it 6 times and that was over a 2 year period. The last time was when i went overboard with the dose and did 350mg of pure. This is what caused the HPPD. The HPPD is what causes DP/DR because of a constant overexcitation in my brain and that i see things that i've not yet adjusted to and most of it still feels very weird for me.

I'm not a pill addict either. I take 1mg of klonopin everyday. YOu're trying to push your faulty past on to me. Im not like you, i dont abuse anything, get the fuck off my nuts kid.

your "advice" is shit at best. Id actually like to get into a discussion with you in person about HPPD and not over a forum and find out exactly how much you think you know. I've literally done DAYS of research on neurology, drugs, neurobiology, how drugs interact with different parts of the cleft, what happens when drugs bind to receptors, etc. Dont be to condescending because first off you really dont have the knowledge to do so and secondly it just makes you look like an asshole.

like you said yourself: you have no adjusted to it yet and it still feels very weird for you. And of course the DP/DR people can't get by without benzo's. Because the doctors gave it to them and started the cycle of addiction which is extremeeeelyyy hard to break. Your "depersonalization" symptoms will come back even stronger once you try to go without.

And you are spiritually confused, that is why you cannot cope, and just come on BL to provoke some kind of sympathy instead of trying on another point of view, one you could seriously use. You seriously still believe in what doctors tell you? Waaaakkkeee up.

It does not matter in the slightest how much information you have looked up on the internet. Is that curing you? Knowing how a clock works doesn't make it tell you the time.
 
like you said yourself: you have no adjusted to it yet and it still feels very weird for you. And of course the DP/DR people can't get by without benzo's. Because the doctors gave it to them and started the cycle of addiction which is extremeeeelyyy hard to break. Your "depersonalization" symptoms will come back even stronger once you try to go without.

And you are spiritually confused, that is why you cannot cope, and just come on BL to provoke some kind of sympathy instead of trying on another point of view, one you could seriously use. You seriously still believe in what doctors tell you? Waaaakkkeee up.

It does not matter in the slightest how much information you have looked up on the internet. Is that curing you? Knowing how a clock works doesn't make it tell you the time.

Honestly dude I only had depersonaliztion once after taking too much e but Its not anything like your talking about. Your just merrily making up a defination for disorder you have no experience with. Its like telling people with schizophrenia its a spiritual crisis. I didn't have any fucking spiritual crisis, I just felt whacked out. Still happy, just whacked the fuck out and slightly useless. MDMA can very well cause it and its from the drug messing with your brain. Not whatever random shit you just made up.

I didn't take benzo's because I figured it would go away since I only got it from mdma overload. I can see how experiencing this for some time would suck ass. And why the hell should someone listen to you over a doctor. I love how people say omg you listen to a doctor, how dumb, listen to me I am clearly smarter.

Do you go to the doctors when you get sick? You gonna pray when you get cancer and say screw the doc they don't know shit?

Your describing something that is totally unlike and has nothing to do with depersonalization.
 
Honestly dude I only had depersonaliztion once after taking too much e but Its not anything like your talking about. Your just merrily making up a defination for disorder you have no experience with. Its like telling people with schizophrenia its a spiritual crisis. I didn't have any fucking spiritual crisis, I just felt whacked out. Still happy, just whacked the fuck out and slightly useless. MDMA can very well cause it and its from the drug messing with your brain. Not whatever random shit you just made up.

I didn't take benzo's because I figured it would go away since I only got it from mdma overload. I can see how experiencing this for some time would suck ass. And why the hell should someone listen to you over a doctor. I love how people say omg you listen to a doctor, how dumb, listen to me I am clearly smarter.

Do you go to the doctors when you get sick? You gonna pray when you get cancer and say screw the doc they don't know shit?

Your describing something that is totally unlike and has nothing to do with depersonalization.

colin listen to this guy, hes smart and you are not.

Chronic DP/DR, whether drug induced or not, is not something you want to experience. Personally, im just now starting to come around psychologically with this shit but i can tell you've never suffered from dissociation by the way you're telling me "how to fix myself spirtually."
 
have either of you observed anyyyything about medical care in america and it's problems?


i have been diagnosed with chronic DP/DR, Dissociative identity disorder, and literally almost every type of bullshit they could put put you into which i would rather not go into right now. I live with DP/DR every single day. Sometimes it still can get the best of me, but I have found a way to adapt.

Depersonalization is a desired state if one can achieve it and function. You experience it while on MDMA. The world we live in has a lot more to it than we usually see when we are not exposed to real things. Technology and media condition your mind more than you think and you just can't handle seeing the trees and grass surrounded by cities and roads, instead of cities and roads surrounded by nature.


I won't say anymore. You have a lot of learn.
 
have either of you observed anyyyything about medical care in america and it's problems?


i have been diagnosed with chronic DP/DR, Dissociative identity disorder, and literally almost every type of bullshit they could put put you into which i would rather not go into right now. I live with DP/DR every single day. Sometimes it still can get the best of me, but I have found a way to adapt.

Depersonalization is a desired state if one can achieve it and function. You experience it while on MDMA. The world we live in has a lot more to it than we usually see when we are not exposed to real things. Technology and media condition your mind more than you think and you just can't handle seeing the trees and grass surrounded by cities and roads, instead of cities and roads surrounded by nature.

I won't say anymore. You have a lot of learn.


what the fuck does that even mean? How did you go from dissociation disorders to fucking trees? Dissociation is a type of sensory disorder in your brain. Wow.....
 
what the fuck does that even mean? How did you go from dissociation disorders to fucking trees? Dissociation is a type of sensory disorder in your brain. Wow.....

Wow. I guess someone needs to delve deeper.

You named your problem many times. That doesn't solve it or help you cope with it. It is a sensory disorder because your SENSES are being interpreted differently than you are programmed to and at a different level of clarity/intensity. MDMA strips us of our preconceived notions about the world.

We are a natural part of the earth still, even though some of us forget. We are a parasite to this planet. On mdma we see everything that we do that subconsciously affects us in your environment, and the senses take that in and output a certain response on the drug. It is what makes the world seem so mystical while on MDMA. The only reason you experience DP/DR negatively is because you are uncomfortable with where you are in reality. Maybe you can't even tell this right now, because you are still ruled over by your perception and have not taught yourself how to cleanse these doors without the use of chemicals.


I am telling you only what I have gotten help with. Not trying to discount what you are saying. Of course you have DP/DR if you say you do. But you are labeling. Now you need to find a solution to it. I give you my promise benzo's will not help you in the long term with coping with DP/DR. It will get worse when you stop them...

You are discounting your mind's power my merely questioning what I say.. Believe me, as someone who "suffered" from DP/DR for a serious period of time, enough to impact my life enough that I couldn't even go outside at one point. By not accepting reality you will never ever achieve what you desire. You hold your own progress back by doubt and self-victimization. Only your can make your brain better.
 
Wow. I guess someone needs to delve deeper.

You named your problem many times. That doesn't solve it or help you cope with it. It is a sensory disorder because your SENSES are being interpreted differently than you are programmed to and at a different level of clarity/intensity. MDMA strips us of our preconceived notions about the world.

We are a natural part of the earth still, even though some of us forget. We are a parasite to this planet. On mdma we see everything that we do that subconsciously affects us in your environment, and the senses take that in and output a certain response on the drug. It is what makes the world seem so mystical while on MDMA. The only reason you experience DP/DR negatively is because you are uncomfortable with where you are in reality. Maybe you can't even tell this right now, because you are still ruled over by your perception and have not taught yourself how to cleanse these doors without the use of chemicals.


I am telling you only what I have gotten help with. Not trying to discount what you are saying. Of course you have DP/DR if you say you do. But you are labeling. Now you need to find a solution to it. I give you my promise benzo's will not help you in the long term with coping with DP/DR. It will get worse when you stop them...

You are discounting your mind's power my merely questioning what I say.. Believe me, as someone who "suffered" from DP/DR for a serious period of time, enough to impact my life enough that I couldn't even go outside at one point. By not accepting reality you will never ever achieve what you desire. You hold your own progress back by doubt and self-victimization. Only your can make your brain better.

did t even read oye shit bro 100pm frunk i dont give a fuck
 
I've talked with chronic DP/DR patients who will straight up tell you that they CANT get by without klonopin or another benzo. Theres a reason why DOCTORS prescribe medication. It does work if used responsibly.

You do know that in many places outside the US, people don't get prescribed benzos. It's considered a serious substance that's not be fucked with (your average person doesn't even know what benzo is). How do people manage there without their daily fix of klonopin?

What about things like ADD? You do know that in many places it's not even considered a real condition? And you definitely won't be prescribed speed for it (or any other common condition for that matter).

You do know that in most parts of the world, people don't even have a concept like anxiety disorders.

So how do people manage without Xanax and speed????
 
You do know that in many places outside the US, people don't get prescribed benzos. It's considered a serious substance that's not be fucked with (your average person doesn't even know what benzo is). How do people manage there without their daily fix of klonopin?

What about things like ADD? You do know that in many places it's not even considered a real condition? And you definitely won't be prescribed speed for it (or any other common condition for that matter).

You do know that in most parts of the world, people don't even have a concept like anxiety disorders.

So how do people manage without Xanax and speed????

haha comparing america to other countries is like comparing apples and a fucking pickle. America is so fucked up. You dont even understand whats pushed day aftet day on the media to kids of all ages. My family is fucked up too. Some people's lives aren't as well off as you might have it. You deal the card you're dealt, and if you find help along the way, you take it.

I dont abuse my medication. I use it. It settles me down when normally my mind would race in social situations thinking about all the possible outcomes if i talked to this person or start get edgy when someone would ask me a question. I dont know where it comes from. I didn't always use to be like that. Dissassociation and HPPD are fucking hell. I've got all kinds of problems becauseof it. You truely cant understand what dissassociation feels like.

To put it as simply as possible. Dissassociation is a purgatory for your mind. You dont connect to past memories and everything that happens in the present, day after day, hour after hour, minute after minute, doesn't seem real. Familiar places become strange and bizzare. Everything is off with my visual disturbances, half the time, even on 1mg of klonopin a day, i feel like im in alice in wonderland.

ok im done.
 
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