I assume this is the right forum because mephedrone is analogous to MDMA's betaketone.
There seems to be a slight stigma around mephedrone. I am here to argue this.
The stigma is that mephedrone is definitley neurotoxic. After reading many many forum posts and experience reports, the most common reasons for this belief are:
1)It smells funny/is corrosive
2)It has a crash/just feels like it
3)t looks similar to other chemicals that are neurotoxic.
To say that a chemical (or anything) is bad because it appears unattractive is a steriotype. It is a logical fallacy to think that attractive things/people are good and ugly things/people are bad. Take cocaine and MDMA crystals, for example. Cocaine undoubtedly tastes better and feels better in your nose. MDMA burns and is bitter. Cocaine is also undoubtedly neurotoxic and degenerative because of it's dopamine profile, even in low sporadic doses, whereas MDMA is most likely not going to cause any long term damage to brain neurons, and in combination with harm reduction supplements, there is no short term damage in rodents. Most life saving medicine tastes like shit and probally would burn in your nose.
2) Almost all drugs have a crash to it. I crash two hours after smoking marijuana which is neuroprotective. MDMA has a slight crash to it. Seeing as that most people find mephedrone better subjectivley than MDMA (comparing the intensity of the high), this would be expected. Alcohol makes most people feel awful in the morning, yet they continue to drink it.
3) It is extreamly hypocritical to say that because mephedrone (4M-MC) resembles MC which is neurotoxic, mephedrone must be neurotoxic. The NIDA's main arguement that MDMA causes long term damage even from a single dose is because it is related to methamphetamine which is proven to cause long term brain damage. As an educated drug user, it is embarassing to say that mephedrone mud be neurotoxic because it is related to methcathinone.
When one changes the chemical structure of a compound by even the slightest bit, dramatic things can happen. If one takes SO2 and inhales it, they will projectile vomit. If they cut off the sulpher, they have oxygen whichbia necessary for life.
Methcathinone is neurotoxic because it damages dopamine systems. Same reason methamphetamine is neurotoxic.
Any experiences mephedrone user knows that methcathinone and methamphetamine feel nothing like mephedrone. They are very different. Mephedrone feels much more like MDMA, but more intense. Obviously, different people feel different things. There is a pretty general consensus that mephedrone is much more like MDMA than meth/cath. I have a suspicion that everyone who says mephedrone is a pure stimulant was actually duped into taking a different chemical.
I fully believe that mephedrone works by the same mechanism as MDMA. There us some concern that because of this and the 5HTxx issues that it is bad for your heart. There is probally some truth to this, as I have felt this before as well. Keep in mind the "too fast of a heartbeat" is always in excess of 500mg after my 3rd inteanasal redose of the night. So I keep this lesson in mind, "don't redose if heart is top fast, wait to slow down."
Because I believe that mephedrone operates like MDMA, I figure if I take supplements it will help or elemimate any negative dopamine oxidase. I take ascorbic acid, alpha lipoic acid and 5HTP before and after.
Usually, I feel completely fine the morning after using mephedrone, without supplementa The worst I felt was when I used mephedrone almost around the clock for 3 days straight. I used supplements before the binge but not during or after. For about 24 hours after I felt out of it, like any other drug hangover.
In conclusion, I am here to argue for mephedrone, something we don't see that often. The smell and the bad feeling in your nose does mean massive brain damage is being caused. The hang over, same answer. Mephedrone is not neurotoxic on the basis that it resembles methcathinone. If it is neurotoxic, it is because of a different reason. Mephedrone most likely operates like MDMA, and at best has the same risks as MDMA and at worst just has the same risks to a greater degree. Harm reduction anti oxidants should be taken before during and after mephedrone use. The less you redose the better off you are. The less often you get high on mephedrone the better. These rules are both for MDMA and mephedrone.
Go mephedrone, go.
There seems to be a slight stigma around mephedrone. I am here to argue this.
The stigma is that mephedrone is definitley neurotoxic. After reading many many forum posts and experience reports, the most common reasons for this belief are:
1)It smells funny/is corrosive
2)It has a crash/just feels like it
3)t looks similar to other chemicals that are neurotoxic.
To say that a chemical (or anything) is bad because it appears unattractive is a steriotype. It is a logical fallacy to think that attractive things/people are good and ugly things/people are bad. Take cocaine and MDMA crystals, for example. Cocaine undoubtedly tastes better and feels better in your nose. MDMA burns and is bitter. Cocaine is also undoubtedly neurotoxic and degenerative because of it's dopamine profile, even in low sporadic doses, whereas MDMA is most likely not going to cause any long term damage to brain neurons, and in combination with harm reduction supplements, there is no short term damage in rodents. Most life saving medicine tastes like shit and probally would burn in your nose.
2) Almost all drugs have a crash to it. I crash two hours after smoking marijuana which is neuroprotective. MDMA has a slight crash to it. Seeing as that most people find mephedrone better subjectivley than MDMA (comparing the intensity of the high), this would be expected. Alcohol makes most people feel awful in the morning, yet they continue to drink it.
3) It is extreamly hypocritical to say that because mephedrone (4M-MC) resembles MC which is neurotoxic, mephedrone must be neurotoxic. The NIDA's main arguement that MDMA causes long term damage even from a single dose is because it is related to methamphetamine which is proven to cause long term brain damage. As an educated drug user, it is embarassing to say that mephedrone mud be neurotoxic because it is related to methcathinone.
When one changes the chemical structure of a compound by even the slightest bit, dramatic things can happen. If one takes SO2 and inhales it, they will projectile vomit. If they cut off the sulpher, they have oxygen whichbia necessary for life.
Methcathinone is neurotoxic because it damages dopamine systems. Same reason methamphetamine is neurotoxic.
Any experiences mephedrone user knows that methcathinone and methamphetamine feel nothing like mephedrone. They are very different. Mephedrone feels much more like MDMA, but more intense. Obviously, different people feel different things. There is a pretty general consensus that mephedrone is much more like MDMA than meth/cath. I have a suspicion that everyone who says mephedrone is a pure stimulant was actually duped into taking a different chemical.
I fully believe that mephedrone works by the same mechanism as MDMA. There us some concern that because of this and the 5HTxx issues that it is bad for your heart. There is probally some truth to this, as I have felt this before as well. Keep in mind the "too fast of a heartbeat" is always in excess of 500mg after my 3rd inteanasal redose of the night. So I keep this lesson in mind, "don't redose if heart is top fast, wait to slow down."
Because I believe that mephedrone operates like MDMA, I figure if I take supplements it will help or elemimate any negative dopamine oxidase. I take ascorbic acid, alpha lipoic acid and 5HTP before and after.
Usually, I feel completely fine the morning after using mephedrone, without supplementa The worst I felt was when I used mephedrone almost around the clock for 3 days straight. I used supplements before the binge but not during or after. For about 24 hours after I felt out of it, like any other drug hangover.
In conclusion, I am here to argue for mephedrone, something we don't see that often. The smell and the bad feeling in your nose does mean massive brain damage is being caused. The hang over, same answer. Mephedrone is not neurotoxic on the basis that it resembles methcathinone. If it is neurotoxic, it is because of a different reason. Mephedrone most likely operates like MDMA, and at best has the same risks as MDMA and at worst just has the same risks to a greater degree. Harm reduction anti oxidants should be taken before during and after mephedrone use. The less you redose the better off you are. The less often you get high on mephedrone the better. These rules are both for MDMA and mephedrone.
Go mephedrone, go.
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